GT Academy

[Sphinx]

Keep it up everyone and go easy on my time Sphinx - it'd be nice to bask at the top of the leaderboard over the weekend.

Well done. 👍

Well, having 4 teenagers in the house, the PS3 is in high demand, which sadly means that this old farts GT time on the ps3 is limited somewhat, especially over the weekend.

For those of us who may end up having to battle it out to get within the 20th place cut off point at the deadline date, it's important to remember that there is a very high probability that not all drivers in the top 20 will actually continue onto the next round, and therefore those just outside the top 20 still have a good chance in getting through. 👍

 

[MADFORCE]

To get the revs up inbetween gearchanges (By using a wheel including a clutch ) makes the difference.

Pad: braaaaaaaaaaaaa ----pause------ broooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Wheel: braaaaaaaaaaaaEeeeeeaaaaaaaaahhh

not every wheel has a clutch, our top drivers have a g25 and are using the clutch
i only have a dfp (dfgt got no clutch, too) and could never reach a 1:20,5 with it

 

[MaDHaX]

I was using pad about 2 days ago and then my times was in the 1.23.xxx I bought a used GT3 wheel and now i'm in the 1.22.xxx I will get into the 1.21.xxx times as I'm getting faster and getting used to the wheel. I gotta say though the wheel is sooo much better you have a very good feel for what the car is doing i'll never go back to playing on pad.

 

[.pixr]

...i'll never go back to playing on pad.

i have he exact same feeling...bought a G25 a couple of months ago and i will never go back to using the pad for racing, it just feels so fake... and not very much fun to be honest.

 

[Honeycar]

Indeed, Switzerland isn't among the participating countries.

unfortunately. what a joke

Maybe because we are not part of the European Union, but Sony is selling the game in Switzerland too, and the swiss are buying a lot

Sick.

Good luck to all competitors:tup:

Go Sphinx go!!!!

 

[The Grim Reaper]

I am using a pad, and I have clocked a best of 1'23.849. I am consistent clocking in the 1'24's every lap.

I have had Sphinx on ghost replay and the time lost on the pad is the hairpins at the start of the lap. I match Spinx or even better him in most areas of the track, it is just the hairpins, & the lack of traction and drive out of the corners.

With Sphinx on ghost I have so far clocked 41 hours just turning lap after lap. I can't see how anyone can clock any better than a low 1'23 with the pad.

 

[Stotty]

I can't see how anyone can clock any better than a low 1'23 with the pad.

I've run a 1:22.7 using the pad, I can see where I could get another 0.3-0.5... to be honest, I'd be happy getting within a second of the top times with the pad.

 

[Sphinx]

I've had a number of PM's from drivers who are taking part in the competition from different regions asking for my ghost replay to chase.

I've decided that it is only fair to allow anyone to view it, rather than just those who have asked.

Go Sphinx go!!!!

Thanks, Honey.




GTP_Sphinx (1'21.278) (UK)

 

[The Grim Reaper]

I've run a 1:22.7 using the pad, I can see where I could get another 0.3-0.5... to be honest, I'd be happy getting within a second of the top times with the pad.

Stotty, the problem is I can see where I can get a further 2 seconds out of the lap, but the pad will never allow this IMO. Although I am impressed with your time. I have only once ventured into the 1'23's.

 

[Timppaq]

I've had a number of PM's from drivers who are taking part in the competition from different regions asking for my ghost replay to chase.

I've decided that it is only fair to allow anyone to view it, rather than just those who have asked.




Thanks, Honey.




GTP_Sphinx (1'21.278) (UK)

 

[Lotrzyna]

I've run a 1:22.7 using the pad, I can see where I could get another 0.3-0.5... to be honest, I'd be happy getting within a second of the top times with the pad.

I did 1'22.8xx on PAD but only after abut 25 laps - I can shave it to 1'22.3xx - line or working with acceleration or speed is not a problem but I do not know why I never get as good times as those best... - I'm trying to run exactly the same laps as the best drivers, the same line, breaking moments, I'm fighting for not loosing speed in firs 4 turns but still I'm always behind and I do not know why... In arcade mode (on S2 tires) im 1,6s behind best driver (insane time btw...) and I lose 0,7s after first 4 turns and 0,9 on the rest of the track :/ I would buy and try G25 but my country can not participate in GTA so I lost motivation...

Edit: To watch Sphinx lap I should create folder PS3/video on pen drive or something like that ? thanks in advance.

 

[Sphinx]

Edit: To watch Sphinx lap I should create folder PS3/video on pen drive or something like that ? thanks in advance.

The folder named 'PS3' is already created for you, so yes, just place it on your pen drive and copy it to your PS3. 👍

 

[Nordish]

German Ranking right now:
1. l1a2r3 1'20.469
2. POPO__PLUS 1'20.671
3. GSUS24 1'20.782
4. NoRdiSh 1'20.901
5. cannonball78 1'20.998
6. Zocker16_GTRP 1'21.021
7. GTNDC_MadForce 1'21.117
8. TurboLuke 1'21.134
9. JAJ-72 1'21.155
10. GTRP Turtle 1'21.200
11. GTNDC-jmr 1'21.285
12. mink_gtrp 1'21.319
13. steve25061990 1'21.436
14. edebert 1'21.549
15. Psycho_gtrp 1'21.557
16. earthquaker 1'21.666
17. Floster83 1'21.677
18. skip79 1'21.696
19. PsychoWeedy 1'21.705
20. eLx147 1'21.706

 

[Sphinx]

German Ranking right now:
4. NoRdiSh 1'20.901

I thought you posted elsewhere that you had a 1'20.069?

 

[Nordish]

Had 1'21.069 before

 

[PrudentBear]

Just improved slightly to 1:21.230 to go top again after Andy had put in 1:21.250. Had a couple of beers too which is a bit worrying. I was in the groove but blew a golden opportunity to go sub 1:21 at the last corner a couple of laps later - got greedy with the gas and nearly slipped a disc trying to save the resulting slide

 

[Sphinx]

Just improved slightly to 1:21.230 to go top again after Andy had put in 1:21.250. Had a couple of beers too which is a bit worrying. I was in the groove but blew a golden opportunity to go sub 1:21 at the last corner a couple of laps later - got greedy with the gas and nearly slipped a disc trying to save the resulting slide

Keep going mate. 👍👍

 

[bicycleshorts]

Finally got into the 1.21's with a .997

I can easily take another couple of tenths off, but I have no idea where I'm going to get another half a second or more from.

Just had a quick blast on a Suzuka 750pp race, knocked 10 seconds off my best race time! Guess this practicing is paying off..

Edit: I just fully read the terms and conditions. The 2nd stage of the competition is more time trials and a fitness test?! Damn, was sort of hoping for a massive GT geek LAN party

 

[Chronos]

GT Academy Top 22 UK & Ireland

Track: The Eiger Nordwand Forward
Car: Nissan Fairlady Z Version S '07 (Non-Tuned)
Driving Physics: Professional
Tyres: Normal N1

1. PrudentBear - 1'21.230
2. Andy_616 - 1'21.250
3. GTP_Sphinx - 1'21.278
4. rapid46 - 1'21.422
5. mogus-3000 - 1'21.554
6. KarlRacer - 1'21.563
7. WingedBeast1968 - 1'21.630
8. Chronos-GTS - 1'21.634
9. Oldbeanee - 1'21.651
10. GTP_Mr_P - 1'21.658
11. nemoh - 1'21.667
12. No46_TheDoctor - 1'21.669
13. Steve-o-tron - 1'21.671
14. SelfMutilation - 1'21.685
15. GTP_Stervisiov - 1'21.706
16. theewar - 1'21.735
17. GTP_JohnnyD - 1'21.746
18. GTP_Ren-Tec - 1'21.788
19. ukog-dyer - 1'21.885
20. bradleyphilpot - 1'21.911
21. swb52 - 1'21.939
22 bicycleshorts - 1'21.997​

 

[runekc]

You guys have insane lap times.....
Denmark top 5 times

1. Herguth 1.22.031
2. N4S_RuneKC_DK 1.22.338 (my time)
3. Holt2008 1.22.379
4. Norengaard 1.22.679
5. N4S_Johnny_DK 1.22.837

long way from the German top times.... DAMN!!

 

[profi]

Pad vs. wheel with clutch research

After about 600 laps of further practising let me add the following:

I am sure nobody using a pad will do any better than 1.22.xxx

I did a 1.22.6xx utilizing the sixasis and comparing this lap to ALL of the german top-ten replays I can see the difference very clear:

Using a clutch and therewith the technigue of shifting gears without letting the revelations drop inbetween shifting simply gives an advantage in acceleration.

..and the Eiger Track is all about accelerating !

My lap (sixasis) compared to a 1.20.xxx (clutch shifter) :

Getting into control right after the last curve and accelerating onto the start-finish straight the shifting point is just a few meters before the start-finish line.

The Ghost is invisible because im up with him.
Shifting (..into 3rd gear)

The Ghost becomes visible close ahead (a few meters)

Until here theres no problem with traction so the cause of loosing a few meters compared to the ghost is not loosing traction - its simply slower acceleration.

Over the jump...

I manage to overtake (!) the ghost while going into hairpin one (right turn) and afterwards into hairpin two (tight left turn)

Accelerating.... (2nd gear)

No shifting on the short straight down the hill, just going to the left hand side of the track without loosing traction is the key here.

3rd hairpin (right turn)....

I am up with the ghost (!), he is invisible.

(The very difficult..) acceleration onto and over the bridge...

The ghost outperforms me at this part clearly. Shifting from 2nd gear into 3rd gear and afterwards accelerating a (relatively) long distance shows the difference ! At the apex of the following right turn (lowest part of the track) I am clearly behind the ghost. (..some tenth of a second)

Remark: there is no way to keep up with him on this straight !

Going through the right turn...

Dont loose traction, dont get into sliding !

Accelerating up the hill onto the tunnel...

Switching from 2nd gear into 3rd up the hill and inside the tunnel repeats the "drop-behind" again. The ghost outperforms me here the same way as on the straight before. But here the advantage in accelearation gets even more clear because its going uphill.

I am loosing some more tenth of a second.

The right-left-right turns after the tunnel...

It is indeed not easy to get through these esses without sliding and loosing traction. But I can handle it with my sixasis so that the gap between me and the ghost while braking into the first of the two last right turns remains (visually) equal.

Going through the double-right and accelerating onto the start-finish line..

The point of switching gears (from 2nd into 3rd) is now a bit earlier than in the (opening) lap before and a good distance before the finish-line.

The ghosts of the top 2 players (doing 1.20.4xx / 1.20.6xx) manage to get into 4th gear after the jump (!).

So I have to ask PD:

- Why is it possible to switch gears faster with a wheel/clutch ?
- Why is it possible to use a technique for bringing the revs up inbetween shifting with a wheel/clutch ?
- Why is it possible to enhance the physical performance of a car with a wheel/clutch ?
- Why do pad users have to get a (software caused) disadvantage in acceleration although they already have a disadvantage when it comes to sensitive control / forcefeedback compared to a wheel/clutch device ?
- Why is there a competition where only the wheel/clutch owners are competitive and able to win ?
- Why do I have to own a wheel/clutch for beeing competitive ?

Why do you make me angry by not considering all this before setting up this competition and by developing your game like this ?

 

[rx7guy]

I dont think that a wheel being able to shift faster makes very much difference, maybe a couple tenths per lap, just overall it gives you more control.

Shifting into 4th over the jump will gain you a couple of kph, even though your short shifting.

I've also got a 1.22.6xx with controller but got a wheel on the way, so hopefully i can go a bit quicker.

 

[profi]

I dont think that a wheel being able to shift faster makes very much difference, maybe a couple tenths per lap, just overall it gives you more control.

Shifting into 4th over the jump will gain you a couple of kph, even though your short shifting.

I've also got a 1.22.6xx with controller but got a wheel on the way, so hopefully i can go a bit quicker.

These "couple tenths per lap" divides the ones who are able to make it into the top 20 and the ones "which dont have any chance to get there"

If it was just the "gives you more control" thing I could live with it and I would not complain about it because I would still be competitive although it would be harder for me with the pad.

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

Maybe Sphinx can back me up on this but I'm sure he said he uses paddles (not clutch) to shift.

I've tried against his replay and he's losing me in all the same places you describe. I think it's more a case of finessing the lines and finding the sweet spots for gear change. This car is a total dog the way it's set up so the difference between going up a gear at the right time and the wrong time seems to be two or three tenths, by the time you hit the next corner, in several places.

I just don't have the patience for this challenge - winds me up just thinking about it

 

[profi]

Maybe Sphinx can back me up on this but I'm sure he said he uses paddles (not clutch) to shift.

I've tried against his replay and he's losing me in all the same places you describe. I think it's more a case of finessing the lines and finding the sweet spots for gear change. This car is a total dog the way it's set up so the difference between going up a gear at the right time and the wrong time seems to be two or three tenths, by the time you hit the next corner, in several places.

I just don't have the patience for this challenge - winds me up just thinking about it

Well. I dont own a wheel nor did i ever try one. But I think the paddles on a wheel do the same thing as the pad-switches and dont give you an advantage.

So it must be the clutch which does the trick I think.
And if sphinx goes faster than 1.22.xxx he must have been using a clutch.

Edit: And believe me - its not the "case of finessing the lines and finding the sweet spots for gear change" because I did hundreds of laps and I can truly say: there is no way.

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

Well. I dont own a wheel nor do i ever tried one. But I think the paddles on a wheel do the same thing as the pad-switches and dont give you an advantage.

Correct

So it must be the clutch which does the trick I think.
And if sphinx goes faster than 1.22.xxx he must have been using a clutch.

Not so sure. If you do have a clutch you could slip it to carry some extra revs but I'm not sure that's what's happening - watch the replays from inside the care view and listen to the rev noise - it dips when changing gear. If they were slipping the clutch it's squeal or, at least, stay about the same tone.

 

[Nordish]

You say, that you overtake the ghost when you drive into the corner. This is a sign to me, that you go too fast into the corner, resulting in later acceleration out of the corner (I think). All corners are all about fast out, so you have to go in slow. You don't benefit alot from apex speed, it's all about acceleration. I will try to do a lap with a pad later.

 

[Mr P]

Jerry / Sphinx uses a DFP so no clutch just a damn good laptime 👍 The other top 2 drivers Prudentbear and Andy616 are both using the G25 with the clutch to the best of my knowledge .. doesn't stop the laptimes being impressive either! but if the clutch is giving such an advantage when changing gear compared to the DFP ... I'm shocked we haven't seen a 1'20.xxx laptime on the UK leaderboards as yet!

I find this combo pretty cool to drive but hard as hell also, I can match the top runners up to T1 with ease .. hitting 34.2 as my best t1 and if I can get around the turn before the tunnel with good speed I can hit a 58.2 or 58.3 but its the last section that totally kills me 90% of the time I should be much faster than the 1'21.6 I have so far but I put that down to the fact that I have only just started using the DFP and incar view in the last month or so after 9 years of dpad and kiddy view Hopefully before the 7 weeks are over I can keep myself in the top 10 with a low 1'21 laptime

Good luck to all running this 👍 and also keep these laptimes in mind for future reference when a few of us are done with this and jump back in the Evo's for online racing and get slated for running the noob cars!!! these tyres make the S2's look like they are on rails ... not bad for noobs imo

 

[profi]

Correct



Not so sure. If you do have a clutch you could slip it to carry some extra revs but I'm not sure that's what's happening - watch the replays from inside the care view and listen to the rev noise - it dips when changing gear. If they were slipping the clutch it's squeal or, at least, stay about the same tone.

It does not dip. It revs up and the next gear switches in at higher revs.
Sadly exactly this car (350Z) seems to have a engine power/momentum curve where only a few higher revs give much more torque.

I looked into the controller settings trying to find a assignment for the clutch for my pad, but there isnt one..

If it was I would have assigned it to a button of my pad and I should have been able to do the same trick. Even if I would have broken my fingers while shifting I would have done it..

 

[profi]

You say, that you overtake the ghost when you drive into the corner. This is a sign to me, that you go too fast into the corner, resulting in later acceleration out of the corner (I think). All corners are all about fast out, so you have to go in slow. You don't benefit alot from apex speed, it's all about acceleration. I will try to do a lap with a pad later.

I overtake the ghost while not leaving the same racing line as he has (I do not drift to the outside). I am faster through the complete curve.

I know he could do an even faster time if he would use my line.