Like I said, thanks to arcade games, the casual market know how to oversteer. I'd be surprised if the casual market were nuanced enough in car control to know you can bring the car up on its toes on corner entry, control the throttle mid-corner to bring the nose back in line or unsettle the car and use the understeer to pull the car back straight.
This has nothing to do with arcade games and much more to do with how cars are set-up in the real world.
Understeer is easier to cure in the real world, a drivers natural response is to back off the throttle, which will instantly reduce understeer. However, even if they boot the throttle, as long as the front wheels are pointed in the direction they need to go the car will pull itself straight most of the time.
Neither of these things can be said about oversteer, which can't be controlled in the real world in the same way as an arcade game.
I've taught people how to deal with both over and understeer in the real world, and its far, far easier to get people to regain control of an understeering car that an oversteering one and the end result should you get it wrong are a lot less damaging.
Cars have a natural tendency to understeer in any halfway decent sim, simply because that's what real world car are set-up to do and the laws of physics will make most prone to do on corner entry anyway.
Scaff, I've mentioned on here before that I can't get used to GT5's sense of speed on the demo pod and I'd like to know how many number of settings the ABS has, as I've never locked the brakes on corner entry whilst turning and I've driven pretty hard in cars considered to be very poor (2002 Vectra for example).
I find it rather confusing then that you are blaming the physics model for any issue with your ability to judge the sense of speed. As I said this means you are entering the corner too hot, not that it is unrealistic.
In regard to the ABS settings, I have no idea, I find 1 to be fine and as such have never changed it. I will try and remember to look next time I play.
In regard to having never locked up tyres on a car, that would be more indicative of your level of driving experience than anything else. Given such I find it a bit strange that you are talking with such a degree of certainty regarding how close to reality GT5 is.
As for snow, we haven't had any in Plymouth and I haven't driven in snow conditions since December last year, when I was enjoying slides at low speed.
That's funny, my two 'baby' brothers are at Plymouth Uni right now, one of them posted a picture up on the 2nd Dec 2010 on facebook....
...not a huge amount, but that's certainly snow, and enough to get any true petrolhead to a car park to see what a car does on the limits at slow speeds.
Scaff
Any car can oversteer and any car can understeer.
