GT-R? ZR1? Try Zonda, Enzo, & MC12.

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The Europeans have struck back with some of their older cars. 5-6 years later, we now know what the Enzo & MC12 were really capable of.

In this month's Evo, driver Marc Basseng has driven to the Ferrari Enzo, Maserati MC12, & Pagani Zonda F to new records, all just falling a few seconds off the ACR, but still showing the GT-R isn't that big of a threat.

Maserati had this to say.
It’s the kind of discussion that often crops up when car guys get together – which is the fastest? If money was no object, what supercar would you go for? Well, one person – with the aid of a support team and a professional driver – set out to answer the question, by seeing which of five cars would be the quickest around the legendary ‘Green Hell’, the Nürburgring Nordschleife. And in the process, to see if any could set a new production car lap record around the 12.8 mile long circuit. This is perhaps the most legendary of all race tracks, and it is the one that many manufacturers of high performance cars use to tune and benchmark their creations. The magic number a car accomplishes in putting together one spectacular lap of Der ‘Ring is often the ultimate accolade used in automotive marketing.

The cars in question, in alphabetical order, were an Enzo Ferrari, Koenigsegg CCX, Maserati MC12, Pagani Zonda F Clubsport and Porsche Carrera GT. These five – worth a cool $4.25 million in total – belong to one extremely lucky owner, who keeps them stabled close to the Nürburgring track. His support team enlisted the aid of American Le Mans Series racer Marc Basseng to do the driving, and evo magazine was on hand to record the results.

None of these cars are what might be termed ‘slow’ – they all make in excess of 600 hp, with the Koenigsegg tuned to make a frightening 901 hp. Yet the CCX, the most expensive car in the group, took the longest to complete a lap – fast in a straight line, the peaky way in which the power is delivered made it challenging to control. Next up was the Porsche Carrera GT, with the lap in 7:28.71 - meaning that Basseng matched the time set by factory driver Walter Röhrl in the final stages of the car’s development.

Third quickest was the Enzo Ferrari, with a very impressive 7:25.21. It might have been able to go quicker – but the electronic dampers at the rear of the car stopped working, on two separate laps on different days. The time is a tribute to Basseng’s perseverance and skill.

Second quickest was the Pagani, a bespoke creation of a small Italian niche builder, its enormous 7.3 liter Mercedes engine contributed to a remarkable time of 7:24.65. That’s an average of more than 103mph, on a track which has blind crests and turns, bumps and jumps, and almost no run-off areas.

And yet the Maserati MC12 went even quicker around the famed track in the Eifel Mountains. The MC12 posted an incredible 7:24.29, not only fastest of the group but also setting a new production car lap record in the process. The MC12 was the heaviest car of the group, with ‘old fashioned’ steel brakes and conventional dampers, yet took them all on, and triumphed convincingly. It wasn’t the fastest in the straights, but the car’s race-bred aerodynamics and Maserati engineering focused on making all the performance accessible meant it was consistently at or near the top of the cornering g-forces, allowing Basseng to get on the power harder and earlier than in its rivals, and its sure-footed handling meant that he had the confidence and ability to maintain consistent and smooth speed. Horsepower is not the sole factor in accessible performance; great balance is needed to make that power genuinely usable and not merely an academic ‘headline’ figure.

This balance has long been a hallmark of Maserati production and race cars. Often Maserati’s legendary race cars were not the most powerful cars on the grid, but their supreme balance allowed their drivers to extract the most useable performance, giving them the confidence to take the cars to the limit – and the race wins and championships followed. So too with Maserati street cars: the Quattroporte on paper has less power than some AMG or M-Power rivals, but the Quattroporte put them all away on evo magazine’s own test track. When evo retired their old track configuration earlier this year the Quattroporte still held the sedan lap record. Performance really does run in the Maserati family.

So the next time conversation turns to fast cars, you can now state with confidence that the MC12 is ultimately faster than the current crop of supercars – yet another example of Maserati’s dedication to making every car they build the best engineered and finest-handling model in its class.

Ferrari Enzo - 7:25.3
Pagani Zonda F - 7:24.7
Maserati MC12 - 7:24.3
 
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Only according to those who consider it one. There are people who don't even consider cars like the MC12 & Zonda F production cars because of their limited numbers.

Its still a production car,it still holds the production car record and they have built more SR8's than zonda f's and MC12's put together :rolleyes:
 
Its still a production car,it still holds the production car record and they have built more SR8's than zonda f's and MC12's put together :rolleyes:

If it bothers you that much, go write a complaint to Radical, Maserati, or Evo, then. All I did was post 3 new times on the 'Ring, and the only thing you can do is cry about the Radical not being called a production car. :rolleyes:
 
I thought that too, maybe they found a way to set the ride height at a happy medium where it wasn't squatting uncorfotably ie speed bump mode but it wasn't sitting so low as to tear it's nose off over some of the bumbps. Either that or they decided tro screw it and thrash it round the Ring anyway and in the process discovered that it was fine all a lond.
 
Not much or a surprise that the MC12 did so well...It's a race car meant for the road.

Could someone get the TSO20 (GT-ONE), 911 GT1 road car, and the R390 Road car out there? they're about the same thing, and they were "production" enough for the ACO at the time of their building.
 
I tihnk the GT-1 road car would be the quickest by a massive margin, it would probably be faster than even the Radicals record time. the GT1 road car though is not a production car, it is a one off so it's time wouldn't count. And considering that there is only one of them in existence, I doubt anyone will see it bombing around a track, ever. Same goes for the R390 road car, though I believe there's two of thoes built a year apart. I don't know what the numbers are for the 911 GT1, but in this company the TS0202 road car is more like it's race car brother than any of the others, they share the same level of tune, there's just a couple of little things that changed to make it road legal, like a number plate and slightly raised suspension. Luxury stuff like that.
 
I figured no-one'd want to count them, but they, really are the ultimate homologation specials...I figure the MC12's true purpose was to be a homoligation model for the FIA GT series. I'm not suprised it's fastest either.
 
It is but the rules for homologation are different now, a manufacturer has to be able to manufacture and sell a bigger number of cars which means that they become classed as production cars, and a key here is that they have to sell enough of them too, not making one example and sticking it in a museum like in the 90's. Having to sell these cars does mean that there are sacrifices often made to the cars racieness, they usually soften the ride, deaden some of the noise and make the interior a bit more comfey. I'm not saying they make them luxury, but driving them is still in some cases a far cry from the race car experience. Tough I'm not suprised it was the fastest either, it has beaten the Enzo in other tests, though the times have always been close.
 
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I suspect that the F1 would get beaten by the Ezno, Zonda F and MC12, it would go faster than the only time it currently has at the Ring thanks to that time not being as flat out as it could have, but I doubt it would be mid 20's.
 
I'd expect a McLaren to be slower too, I remember Evo testing one back-to-back with a Carrera GT a while ago. It wasn't a scientific test by any means, and the article was actually written by well-known petrolhead Rowan Atkinson. He loved both cars, but reckoned the Carrera GT would be significantly faster around a track, thanks to all the extra years of supercar development separating the two.

Interesting OP though 👍 Nice to see how quick the Pagani actually is - I think that although people know it's very quick, it does have the reputation of being a bit of a "trinket", because it has that unique feel to it, bespoke parts and glitzy details. Yet it's still very much a mega performance car.
 
You might see the F1 LM have something of a competitive time (That All Important Downforce) But I can't see the S7, particularly the TT model, doing all that well, as it likely has the same problem the Koenigsegg has. TOO. MUCH. POWER. FOR. GRIP.
 
Well as for the saying of 'Italian Stallion' I would prefer a Zonda over most Ferrari's, however I have seen one Ferrari which is really nice!!:eek:
Presenting the The Ferrari-Novitec Rosso F430 Racer:
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Pretty nice eh!:D:tup:
But if I was to genuinely picture myself in an 'Italian Stallion' it would undoubtably be a Zonda, they are just really something else...They have that roar and beauty that has been crafted into them, its a connection with the Car, and a connection to the enviroment which they have...there so inviting.;)👍
Peace,
Rusty*
 
Wait a sec...(And thank you for reminding me, Rusty*,) what's the F430 Scud's time? We know it laps Fiorano faster than the Enzo...what about the 'Ring?
 
guess why I aren't surprised that they were faster this year? It's because parts of the Nurb was repaired early in the spring.. that also did lead to the shorter laptime of GT-R.
 
Wait a sec...(And thank you for reminding me, Rusty*,) what's the F430 Scud's time? We know it laps Fiorano faster than the Enzo...what about the 'Ring?
No worries!:D I have done some digging but haven't found any info on it's possible lap time of Nurburgring...maybe it hasn't laped around the Nurburgring?
Rusty*
 
I tihnk the GT-1 road car would be the quickest by a massive margin, it would probably be faster than even the Radicals record time. the GT1 road car though is not a production car, it is a one off so it's time wouldn't count. And considering that there is only one of them in existence, I doubt anyone will see it bombing around a track, ever. Same goes for the R390 road car, though I believe there's two of thoes built a year apart. I don't know what the numbers are for the 911 GT1, but in this company the TS0202 road car is more like it's race car brother than any of the others, they share the same level of tune, there's just a couple of little things that changed to make it road legal, like a number plate and slightly raised suspension. Luxury stuff like that.
Actually, there is more than 1 911 GT1 road car. Don Wallace has the famous silver one (which may be the red one resprayed). Porsche has a white one, and there's a cream/yellow colored one as well.

Well as for the saying of 'Italian Stallion' I would prefer a Zonda over most Ferrari's, however I have seen one Ferrari which is really nice!!:eek:
Presenting the The Ferrari-Novitec Rosso F430 Racer:
user1093_1176699616.jpg

Pretty nice eh!:D:tup:
But if I was to genuinely picture myself in an 'Italian Stallion' it would undoubtably be a Zonda, they are just really something else...They have that roar and beauty that has been crafted into them, its a connection with the Car, and a connection to the enviroment which they have...there so inviting.;)👍
Peace,
Rusty*
Except that's a tuner car, built by Novitec.

You might see the F1 LM have something of a competitive time (That All Important Downforce) But I can't see the S7, particularly the TT model, doing all that well, as it likely has the same problem the Koenigsegg has. TOO. MUCH. POWER. FOR. GRIP.
I doubt it. Both the CCR & CCX already have times on the 'Ring, both right next to each other.
Wait a sec...(And thank you for reminding me, Rusty*,) what's the F430 Scud's time? We know it laps Fiorano faster than the Enzo...what about the 'Ring?
The Scuderia has a 7:39.
 
Not much or a surprise that the MC12 did so well...It's a race car meant for the road.

Could someone get the TSO20 (GT-ONE), 911 GT1 road car, and the R390 Road car out there? they're about the same thing, and they were "production" enough for the ACO at the time of their building.

I'm sorry. Still recovering from the epic thoughts this post gave me.

Dauer 962LM anyone? Muahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
 
I was going to suggest the mclaren f1 LM. I remember reading a website that claimed the f1 lm did a laptime of somewhere in the 7:1x.xxx (mika hakkinen driving)
 
I doubt that tbh, the cars quick but not that quick compared to modern homologation cars such as the MC12. Unless I guess they we're using one of the GTR's that was converted to be road worthy, in which case it wouldn't have been an LM anyway. The point is moot though anyway as that's just a story and there's no proof it happeend. The only Ring time for a McLaren F1 was done around the 7'45 mark, though it wasn't as fast as it could have been I doubt we're talking number that would allow it to compete in this threads company.

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Actually, there is more than 1 911 GT1 road car. Don Wallace has the famous silver one (which may be the red one resprayed). Porsche has a white one, and there's a cream/yellow colored one as well.
Yeah I know there's more than one 911 GT1 road car, I just don't know how many of them tyhere are. The GT1 I was talking about in the first part was the Toyota ;).
 
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The Yellow GT1 hangs around St Tropez, I hear that there are 2 silvers, one in Dubai the other in Florida (gerd patrick?), and I'm not sure about the red one.
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Pennsylvania:
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Andorra
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Hong Kong
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St Tropez
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Paris
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UAE
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Not sure which Silver's are the same, but each photo of the silver is in a different continent

There was also a strassenversion Evo which I cant seem to get any good pictures of, it had the freestanding tailights and steeper front fenders like the LM EVO racecar.
 
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