GT4 Rallye Challenge

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  1. Matej

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    Rallye Challenge

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    It seems many people complain about lack of rally events in latest GT games which is why I decided to build a small challenge as a homage to crop of events we had in Gran Turismo 4.

    The rules are simple. Pick one car from the following list below, upgrade it within the restrictions and run number of consecutive* laps listed for each of the listed circuits. Submit your laps to Matej via Conversation mode along with the power and weight values of your car. The two laps between which consistency will be valuated are going to be selected randomly. This ensures all players have identical chances regardless of what car they are driving.

    Laps must be run in Free Run / Practice mode but turn off the ghost mode** while driving. Avoid hitting walls as much as possible. View replay after running to write down all required consecutive laps.

    Your submission should look like this:

    GT4 Rallye Round (# of round) Times

    Driver: 'your profile name'
    Car: 'full name of your car'
    P/W: 'horsepower and weight figures of your car'

    'course name'
    'required lap'
    Lap x: 'lap time'
    Lap y: 'lap time'
    ...
    list as many laps as circuit requires


    Results will be announced as soon as I receive all times from participants. Therefore, you have unlimited time to send your results but do not delay for longer than really necessary.

    Driver needs to submit number of consecutive laps on each course. Then, Two Target Laps laps will be randomly chosen and consistency between them valuated. Here is an example:

    Ice Arena
    Laps: 4
    Two Target Laps: 2 & 3


    Lap 4: 1'00.678
    Lap 5: 1'00.500 (2)
    Lap 6: 1'00.700 (3)
    Lap 7: 1'00.555
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    Difference: 0'00.200 sec


    For Ice Arena you would get 0'00.200 penalty seconds. Driver with the least penalty times at the end of the championship wins. The two target laps get randomly chosen for each course. This system allows each driver to stay competitive regardless how fast or slow he drives. If a driver doesn't submit laps for particular course or his submission is invalid he will get extra penalty times per circuit.

    All in all, be as much consistent as possible.

    *By consecutive I mean in a row. For example, lap 4 & 5 or 10, 11 & 12 but not 4 & 7 or 10, 12 & 13. Best Lap and Last Lap display should be your best guide.

    **Press Up on D-pad. If not, try Select. If that doesn't work either, then you must have changed the controller settings, check it.

    Car list:

    Round 5

    Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 Evolution II Rally Car '86
    Lancia Delta S4 Rally Car '85
    Ford RS200 Rally Car '85
    Toyota RSC Rally Raid Car '02
    Mitsubishi Starion 4WD Rally Car '84
    Renault 5 Maxi Turbo Rally Car '85
    Lancia Stratos Rally Car '77
    Cars were chosen to give the best diversity of drivetrains, power and weight.

    Tuning restrictions:

    Round 5

    General power: Default !

    Turbo: No
    Tyres: Dirt or Snow or Racing Hard (R2) Tires
    Others: Yes​

    You can adjust already equipped parts
    Usage of Nitro or GT Wing is not allowed
    TCS and ASM are not allowed on Dirt and Snow surfaces, otherwise optional​

    Course list:

    Round 5

    George V Paris - 3 laps
    Swiss Alps - 3 laps
    Chamonix Reverse - 3 laps

    Results

    Round 1

    A = DurWinning in Toyota MR2 1600 G '86 with 129 hp on 1052 kg
    B = Harsk100 in Lotus Elan S1 '62 with 130 hp on 619 kg
    C = Shotamagee in Mitshubishi Lancer 1600 GSR '73 with 110 hp on 825 kg
    D = Matej in Autobianchi A112 Abarth '79 with 77 hp on 679 kg
    Ice Arena
    Laps: N/A
    A: 0'56.191 - 0'55.959 = 0'00.232 sec
    B: 0'51.637 -0'51.079 = 0'00.558 sec
    C: 0'57.745 - 0'57.744 = 0'00.001 sec
    D: 1'02.148 - 1'02.129 = 0'00.019 sec
    Grand Canyon
    Laps: N/A

    A: 2'58.618 - 2'58.483 = 0'00.135 sec
    B: 2'43.763 - 2'43.472 = 0'00.291 sec
    C: 3'03.749 - 3'03.742 = 0'00.007 sec
    D: 3'15.989 - 3'15.915 = 0'00.074 sec
    Chatedral Rocks II Reverse
    Laps: N/A

    A: 1'21.168 - 1'20.876 = 0'00.292 sec
    B: 1'13.462 - 1'13.090 = 0'00.372 sec
    C: 1'21.576 - 1'21.564 = 0'00.009 sec
    D: 1'28.601 - 1'28.486 = 0'00.115 sec

    Total Round 1

    +0'00.017 Shotamagee
    +0'00.208 Matej
    +0'00.659 DurWinning
    +0'01.221 Harsk100

    Round 2
    A = DurWinning in Audi Quattro '82 with 230 hp on 1173 kg
    B = Harsk100 in Peugeot 205 T16 '85 with 200 hp on 1145 kg
    C = Shotamagee in Alpine A110S '73 with 141 hp on 715 kg
    D = Matej in BMW 2002 Turbo '73 with 179 hp on 1080 kg

    Tsukuba Wet
    Laps: 3 & 4
    A: 1'18.872 - 1'17.725 = 0'01.147 sec
    B: 1'28.533 - 1'28.459 = 0'00.074 sec
    C: 1'16.881 - 1'16.681 = 0'00.200 sec
    D: 1'19.108 - 1'19.070 = 0'00.038 sec

    Tahiti Maze
    Laps: 1 & 4

    A: 2'35.232 - 2'34.207 = 0'01.205 sec
    B: 3'09.786 - 3'09.772 = 0'00.014 sec
    C: 2'38.491 - 2'38.489 = 0'00.002 sec
    D: 2'41.921 - 2'41.588 = 0'00.333 sec

    Chamonix
    Laps: 2 & 3

    A: 2'36.107 - 2'35.940 = 0'00.167 sec
    B: 2'55.044 - 2'55.025 = 0'00.019 sec
    C: 2'35.478 - 2'35.165 = 0'00.313 sec
    D: 2'41.356 - 2'41.172 = 0'00.184 sec

    Total Round 2

    +0'00.107 Harsk100
    +0'00.515 Shotamagee
    +0'00.555 Matej
    +0'02.519 DurWinning

    Special:

    Shotamagee
    Tsukuba Wet
    Lap 4: 1:16.839
    Lap 5: 1:16:862
    Lap 6: 1:16.881
    Lap 7: 1:16.681

    Tahiti Maze
    Lap 2: 2:38.491
    Lap 3: 2:38.732
    Lap 4: 2:38.567
    Lap 5: 2:38.489

    Chamonix
    Lap 1: 2:35.362
    Lap 2: 2:35.165
    Lap 3: 2:35.478

    Harsk100
    Tsukuba Wet
    Lap 1: 1'28.561
    Lap 2: 1'28.542
    Lap 3: 1'28.533
    Lap 4: 1'28.459

    Tahiti Maze
    Lap 1: 3'09.772
    Lap 2: 3'09.785
    Lap 3: 3'09.782
    Lap 4: 3'09.786

    Chamonix
    Lap 1: 2'55.033
    Lap 2: 2'55.044
    Lap 3: 2'55.025

    DurWinning
    Tsukuba Wet
    Lap 1: 1:17:601
    Lap 2: 1:18:829
    Lap 3: 1:18:872
    Lap 4: 1:17:725

    Tahiti Maze
    Lap 5: 2:35:232
    Lap 6: 2:34:756
    Lap 7: 2:34:755
    Lap 8: 2:34:207

    Chamonix
    Lap 1: 2:36:601
    Lap 2: 2:36:107
    Lap 3: 2:35:940

    Matej
    Tsukuba Wet
    Lap 1: 1’19.388
    Lap 2: 1’19.254
    Lap 3: 1’19.108
    Lap 4: 1’19.070

    Tahiti Maze
    Lap 3: 2’41.588
    Lap 4: 2’41.735
    Lap 5: 2’41.779
    Lap 6: 2’41.921

    Chamonix
    Lap 2: 2’40.911
    Lap 3: 2’41.172
    Lap 4: 2’41.356

    Round 3

    A = Harsk100 in RUF BTR '86 with 610 hp on 1109 kg
    B = Shotamagee in Ford RS200 '84 with 250 hp on 1180 kg
    C = Matej in Shelby Mustang G.T. 350R '65 with 311 hp on 1268 kg

    Citta Di Aria
    Laps: 1 & 3

    A: 3'14.799 - 3'14.784 = 0'00.015 sec
    B: 1'46.411 - 1'46.369 = 0'00.042 sec
    C: 1'46.348 - 1'46.029 = 0'00.319 sec

    Swiss Alps Reverse
    Laps: 2 & 3

    A: 2'13.706 - 2'13.687 = 0'00.019 sec
    B: 1'40.237 - 1'40.091 = 0'00.146 sec
    C: 1'43.762 - 1'43.148 = 0'00.614 sec

    Chatedral Rocks I
    Laps: 2 & 3

    A: 2'21.701 - 2'21.685 = 0'00.016 sec
    B: 1'57.155 - 1'56.955 = 0'00.200 sec
    C: 1'59.359 - 1'59.245 = 0'00.114 sec

    Total Round 3

    +0'00.050 Harsk100
    +0'00.388 Shotamagee
    +0'01.047 Matej

    Special:

    Shotamagee
    Citta de Aria
    Lap 4: 1:46.369
    Lap 5: 1:46.492
    Lap 6: 1:46.411

    Swiss Alps Reverse
    Lap 1: 1:40.007
    Lap 2: 1:40.091
    Lap 3: 1:40.237
    Lap 4: 1:40.179

    Cathedral Rocks I
    Lap 5: 1:57.099
    Lap 6: 1:57.155
    Lap 7: 1:56.955

    Harsk100
    Citta d'Aria
    Lap 1: 3'14.784
    Lap 2: 3'14.809
    Lap 3: 3'14.799

    Swiss Alps Reverse
    Lap 1: 2'13.714
    Lap 2: 2'13.706
    Lap 3: 2'13.687
    Lap 4: 2'13.809

    Cathedral Rocks Trail I
    Lap 1: 2'21.674
    Lap 2: 2'21.685
    Lap 3: 2'21.701

    Matej
    Citta d'Aria
    Lap 1: 1'46.348
    Lap 2: 1'46.018
    Lap 3: 1'46.029

    Swiss Alps Reverse
    Lap 1: 1'43.511
    Lap 2: 1'43.762
    Lap 3: 1'43.148
    Lap 4: 1'43.508

    Cathedral Rocks Trail I
    Lap 1: 1'59.515
    Lap 2: 1'59.359
    Lap 3: 1'59.245

    Round 4

    A = Harsk100 in Toyota Corolla Rally Car '98 with 300 hp on 1230 kg
    B = Shotamagee in Subaru Impreza Rally Car '99 with 318 hp on 1230 kg
    C = Matej in Ford Escort Rally Car '98 with 300 hp on 1230 kg

    Costa di Amalfi Reverse
    Laps: 1 & 2

    A: 2'48.839 - 2'48.782 = 0'00.057 sec
    B: 2'04.144 - 2'04.122 = 0'00.022 sec
    C: 2'07.924 - 2'07.800 = 0'00.124 sec

    Ice Arena Reverse
    Laps: 2 & 3

    A: 0'58.351 - 0'58.295 = 0'00.056 sec
    B: 0'51.145 - 0'51.111 = 0'00.034 sec
    C: 0'53.342 - 0'52.961 = 0'00.381 sec

    Tahiti Maze Reverse
    Laps: 1 & 3

    A: 2'43.692 - 2'43.584 = 0'00.108 sec
    B: 2'22.493 - 2'22.459 = 0'00.034 sec
    C: 2'26.034 - 2'25.603 = 0'00.431 sec

    Total Round 4

    +0'00.090 Shotamagee
    +0'00.221 Harsk100
    +0'00.936 Matej

    Special:

    Shotamagee
    Costa Di Amalfi Reverse
    Lap 4: 2:04.122
    Lap 5: 2:04.144
    Lap 6: 2:04.127

    Ice Arena Reverse
    Lap 11: 51.093
    Lap 12: 51.111
    Lap 13: 51.145
    Lap 14: 51.088
    Lap 15: 51.216

    Tahiti Maze Reverse
    Lap 1: 2:22.459
    Lap 2: 2:22.561
    Lap 3: 2:22.493

    Harsk100
    Costa di Amalfi Reverse
    Lap 1: 2'48.782
    Lap 2: 2'48.839
    Lap 3: 2'48.772

    Ice Arena Reverse
    Lap 1: 0'58.383
    Lap 2: 0'58.295
    Lap 3: 0'58.351
    Lap 4: 0'58.335
    Lap 5: 0'58.322

    Tahiti Maze Reverse
    Lap 1: 2'43.692
    Lap 2: 2'43.671
    Lap 3: 2'43.584

    Matej
    Costa di Amalfi Reverse
    Lap 1: 2'07.800
    Lap 2: 2'07.924
    Lap 3: 2'07.779

    Ice Arena Reverse
    Lap 1: 0'52.833
    Lap 2: 0'53.342
    Lap 3: 0'52.961
    Lap 4: 0'51.993
    Lap 5: 0'51.926

    Tahiti Maze Reverse
    Lap 1: 2'25.603
    Lap 2: 2'25.630
    Lap 3: 2'26.034

    Round 5
    A = Harsk100 in Toyota RSC Rally Raid Car '02 with 417 hp on 1000 kg
    B = Shotamagee in Lancia Stratos Rally Car '77 with 291 hp on 880 kg
    C = Matej in Mitsubishi Starion 4WD Rally Car '84 with 360 hp on 1250 kg

    George V Paris
    Laps: 1 & 3

    A: 1'27.394 - 1'27.379 = 0'00.015 sec
    B: 1'24.090 - 1'23.870 = 0'00.220 sec
    C: 1'28.492 - 1'28.488 = 0'00.004 sec

    Swiss Alps
    Laps: 1 & 3

    A: 1'35.242 - 1'35.229 = 0'00.013 sec
    B: 1'38.183 - 1'37.928 = 0'00.255 sec
    C: 1'35.966 - 1'35.916 = 0'00.050 sec

    Chamonix Reverse
    Laps: 2 & 3

    A: 2'35.541 - 2'35.491 = 0'00.050 sec
    B: 2'35.106 - 2'34.983 = 0'00.123 sec
    C: 2'27.152 - 2'27.083 = 0'00.069 sec

    Total Round 5

    +0'00.078 Harsk100
    +0'00.123 Matej
    +0'00.598 Shotamagee

    Special:

    Shotamagee
    George V Paris
    Lap 2: 1:23.870
    Lap 3: 1:24.091
    Lap 4: 1:24.090

    Swiss Alps
    Lap 2: 1:37.928
    Lap 3: 1:37.987
    Lap 4: 1:38.183

    Chamonix Reverse
    Lap 1: 2:35.099
    Lap 2: 2:35.106
    Lap 3: 2:34.983

    Harsk100
    George V Paris
    Lap 1: 1'27.379
    Lap 2: 1'27.395
    Lap 3: 1'27.394

    Swiss Alps
    Lap 1: 1'35.229
    Lap 2: 1'35.230
    Lap 3: 1'35.242

    Chamonix Reverse
    Lap 1: 2'35.584
    Lap 2: 2'35.541
    Lap 3: 2'35.491

    Matej
    George V Paris
    Lap 1: 1'28.492
    Lap 2: 1'28.445
    Lap 3: 1'28.488

    Swiss Alps
    Lap 1: 1'35.966
    Lap 2: 1'35.901
    Lap 3: 1'35.916

    Chamonix Reverse
    Lap 1: 2'27.268
    Lap 2: 2'27.152
    Lap 3: 2'27.083

    Total Penalty Seconds

    + 0'01.608 Shotamagee
    + 0'01.677 Harsk100
    + 0'02.869 Matej
    + 0'03.178 DurWinning

    Stages Won

    7 - Shotamagee & Harsk100
    2 - Matej
    0 - DurWinning
    Rallye Winner

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  2. shotamagee

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    I'm in how long have I got to do this?
     
  3. Matej

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    I have updated the rule...

    Submit your laps to Matej via Conversation mode along with the power and weight values of your car.

    ...and added new one:

    Results will be announced as soon as I receive all times from participants. Therefore, you have unlimited time to send your results but do not delay for longer than really necessary.

    Welcome aboard Shotamagee ! But I advise you to wait with the racing until we get another player. There is no point in running a challenge with only two drivers on the grid. Unless you are really eager to do so.
     
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  4. RetroDriver

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    how do you turn the ghost off?
     
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    Press Up on D-pad. If that doesn't work then you must have changed the controller settings, check it.

    Are you willing to participate RetroDriver ?
     
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    Nice challenge! I was going to do that, but I'll participate anyway. I love rally! :tup:

    So, what is the first round of Rallye challenge?
     
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    I saw your initiation several days ago but I thought you would be too occupied with the time trial you've started in Tourist Trophy forum, so I couldn't resist for any longer. :)

    Ok, with three drivers on the grid we can commence with the challenge.

    Currently we are running round 1 on Ice Arena, Grand Canyon and Cathedral Rocks II Reverse. Pick one car from the lot, mind the tuning restrictions and run two consecutive laps on each of the listed tracks. You can do the tracks in any order. Submit times to me via Conversation mode.

    The idea is to run through as many scenarios as possible. Once we complete this round I will pronounce new selection of cars and tracks. Please, submit here your choice of car along with power and weight values. Cars are not exclusive but it would be great to see as many different drivetrains as possible.
     
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    OK, Cool. But should I drive the same car during all rounds? Or I can drive an different car each round?

    I'll send you a PM.
     
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    Every round has eligible list of cars from which you can choose one you like. Once we hit round two, eligible car list will change, so you won't be able to use round 1 car anyway.
     
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    OK. But in Round 1, only the best lap time will count, right?
     
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    What counts is the difference between two submitted laps per circuit. Those laps doesn't have to be the fastest but consecutive, that is what is very important. For example, lap 4 & 5 may not be you best laps (let's say lap 11 is your best)but if difference between them is minimal, they would make a great submission.
     
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    OK. But I only save my best lap times.
     
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    I have also read you PM and I have a feeling this may lead us to another set of misunderstandings, so I'm going to post an example of how submission should look like:

    GT4 Rallye Round 1 Times

    Driver: Harsk100
    Car: Mini Marcos GT '70
    P/W: 105hp/559kg

    Ice Arena
    Lap 4: 1'00.678
    Lap 5: 1'00.500

    Grand Canyon
    Lap 6: 3'00.478
    Lap 7: 3'00.351

    Chatedral Rocks II Reverse
    Lap 12: 1'23.801
    Lap 13: 1'23.756


    And that is all, leave the rest to me. Don't forget to add appropriate headline because I don't want to view you times before it is neccesary.
    Your two consecutive laps on each circuit doesn't have to be the fastest. I recommend everyone to view replay after running to check between what two laps you had the best consistency (because margin between laps is what counts). Problem with GT4 is that HUD displays only your best and last lap and those two in most cases aren't consecutive or the closese you have set.

    You can also run your laps in Photo Drive mode in case your replay in Free Run / Practice mode doesn't display every single lap you have made.

    Today I'm going to try few cars and pronounce my choice. Official choice should be pronounced in the thread.
     
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    Ah! OK. I'll try again.
     
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    I got one question: Will points be attributed in this challenge?
     
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    I'd like to participate but I have one question. Will this thread be updated on a constant bases? I tried doing a challenge in GT2 and the guy didn't update the thread in god knows how long. If this is updated I'll be happy to join.
     
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    Yeah I'll give it a go :)
     
  18. Matej

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    Yes, certainly. Drivers will be rewarded with penalty points, a system I implemented in other similar challenges. You get one penalty point per randomly (for each course) chosen limit if your laps are not that consistent. I'll show you an example:


    Ice Arena
    Lap 4: 1'00.678
    Lap 5: 1'00.500
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    Difference: 0'00.178 sec
    Limit: 1 point per 0'00.050


    That means that for Ice Arena you would get 3 penalty points. Driver with the least points at the end of championship wins. The limit gets randomly chosen for each course and can vary. This system allows each driver to stay competitive regardless how fast or slow he drives.

    All in all, be as much consistent as possible.

    Of course it will be updated regulary. You can join without doubts. :)

    Welcome abroad RetroDriver. :)

    With five drivers currently on the grid I should introduce the ability to form a team. Simply team up with another driver, name the team and collect points together. A driver who remains alone will have to form its own team and drive another different car for imaginary team member.

    Let me know what works best for you guys. Soon I will update the first post with essential elements to keep everything at one place.
     
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    Alright. Sign me up. I just got to figure out which vehicle to use.
     
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    I tested a few cars from the list. So far, the fastest car from the list for me was the Lotus Elan S1.

    OK. I know that there is an penalty point, but no points system?

    So, the people with less points wins the championship, right?

    My team is: Harsk World Motorsports

    My (imaginary) racing number is #96.

    I think that we should have an imaginary racing numbers... What do you think?
     
  22. DurWinning

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    Do we have to choice from the list? I have a few cars that I'm looking at. They look ok to use but I want to know first.
     
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    That's exactly that I was wondering.
     
  24. Matej

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    No standard points system, that is correct. Only penalty points. The less penalty points you have, the better your position is. You can have number if you want, it is not really important.

    What do you mean by term choice ? You can test all cars if you want but choose only one that will compete in the round.
     
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    OK. But imagine if I was putting consecutive lap times 2 and 4. With lap 2 & 4 times, would I get penalized?
     
  26. DurWinning

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    I have 3 cars I'm looking at. One is on the list the other two are not. I was just wondering if we can use cars not on the list.
     
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    Your submission would be invalid and you would get extra penalty points. At the moment I'm not sure how much but definetly more than others.

    Only cars that are on the list are eligible for competition.
     
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    OK
     
  29. DurWinning

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    Ok.
     
  30. Matej

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    I would like to change a tuning rule and limit suspension kit only to Sport type for this round. If this is going to affect tunes you could have already made, please let me know. But if none of you have commited with tuning yet, consider Sport kit as the only eligible kit for this round.
     
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