GT4 vs Progect Gotham Racing 2

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Shen Yin, your wrong. No point really doing a long reply, I just disagree.

Shen, the gamers have spoken, great reviews, selling well, loads of players online. OFC crap games sell too, but I think PGR2 deserves it, bizarre put loads of time and effort into it, and it shows. Your just misserable :)

using 4-5 different tracks

4-5...I guess you aint played it. WOW, I'm sure it was over 90 last time I checked. Whats wrong with cone challenges? I thought they ruled!
 
GT4 is not even out.

Halo aint all that good. I guess I've played too many PC fps shooters to like it like the masses. The levels suck the multiplayer is buggy and poorly planed out. Halo PC riuns like crap and looks like crap compared to other PC games in general.

On topic there is no longevity in PGR2 offline. The game is too restricted. GT3's open ended style is better when you just want to break lap times or pick any race just to watch a replay of the great graphics. Can't do enough in PGR2.

agian this is like comparing the 2004 season Patriots to the 2002 Panthers season.. I get more joy out of Gran Turismo 2 than Porject Gotham 2.

"the cool features of the game" Huh, ok I think I missed them. please tell me how to unlock them.
 
Originally posted by LaBounti

"the cool features of the game" Huh, ok I think I missed them. please tell me how to unlock them.

Exactly. I'd love to know what the "cool" features to the game actually are. I've already beaten the game, earned the last bonus cars and have still yet to see what these "cool" features can be.
 
GT3's open ended style is better when you just want to break lap times or pick any race just to watch a replay of the great graphics

Can do that on PGR2, plus you can save LOADS of replays thanks to the HDD, and dl other players ghosts to perfect your own times. GT3 isn't THAT open ended, the structure is the same, pick a race, do it, only diff is you win money, and mod cars.

Halo is crap on the pc btw, really badly ported.

Shen, don't lie, you obviously don't have the speed 12, as only utter legends ever EARN the speed 12. Need plats on everything, and that takes fricking skill, skill even I don't have :)
 
Originally posted by code_kev




4-5...I guess you aint played it. WOW, I'm sure it was over 90 last time I checked. Whats wrong with cone challenges? I thought they ruled!

Bro I said 4-5 DIFFERENT tracks, not variations of the same track over and over. Plus the variations only apply according to the repetitive objectives (cone challenges, camera..etc.). It's not as if all of the variations are meant for racing anyhow.

The game sometimes reminds me of Smuggler's Run 2: the same redundant objectives within different parts of the same map.
 
Shen, you havn't played it. There are like 10 cities, and the nurb. Prove you own it. Whats the last numbered page on the manual, and the bar code :). Oh and what rank are you (kudos). Tell me that and I just may believe you own it, rather then think you talk crap.
 

Shen, don't lie, you obviously don't have the speed 12, as only utter legends ever EARN the speed 12. Need plats on everything, and that takes fricking skill, skill even I don't have :) [/B]


Bro, I have no reason to lie. I'm not gonna sit here an go out of my way in order to earn loads of Platinums just to gain a car that controls the same as all of the others: Auto drifts with dull speed. I've already earned enough platinum coins and the "rewards" just ain't worth it. Okay, the cars do have SLIGHTLY different aspects from one another, like one is more prone to autodrifts with brake than another. :rolleyes:

I can't mod or upgrade them, so gaining all of the cars is irrelevant. Just use the Enzo Ferrari in multiplayer and call it a day. :irked:
 
I don't think it matters that GT4 isn't out yet. If you really think PGR2 is a better game than GT4 will be, you must not play much video games. Nobody, and I mean nobody, puts more of their blood, sweat, and tears into a game than KY. He will make sure that GT4 is a legend (just as GT1/2/3 all were). I think people are forgetting that GT3 is nearly 3 years old and is still being compared favorably to an XBOX game (XBOX is supposed to be so much more powerful than ps2) developed this past year! Think about it. Just imagine how great GT4 is really going to be. 100 tracks with over 500 cars (and the great thing about GT has always been that you can get in your everyday car (like an Accord, Civic, Mustang, etc) and race it around like an idiot. I really could care less about Ferrari, honestly, I want to drive my Lude. Anyway, PGR2 is fun if you judge it for what it is: An arcade racer with no hint of reality. But I will bet you all that when GT4 does finally come out, nobody will be playing PGR2 anymore.....
 
This is what I mean when I say 4-5 tracks.

Yokohama
Hong Kong
Barcelona

Most of these tracks look alike. Other than memorizing the turns over and over, there isn't much difference (or life) within them. Of course there's more than 5 tracks.....but it FEELS like there's only 5 of 'em.

okay, Washington, Sydney, Moscow, Florence......they just feel too similar EXCEPT Wash. and Chicago. And even those tracks are all cramped and full of unecessarily sharp turns that force you to drift even more (auto drifting abound).

I'm not gonna go and get my instruction booklet or tell my Kudos points, because I've already sold the title for Apex. Another game that falls into the same "empty shell" arcade racer category.

Maybe Sega GT 2002 will fair better.
 
I'll be playing both :)

Actually, I dunno, I tend to play games for a few months, then get bored (but I've been playing PGR2 for 2 months now), same with GT3, same with PGR, same with *enter random game here*. Actually, RPGs tend to keep me going for ages though :).


I agree, if GT4 is as good as I hope it's gonne be, your gonna have to be pretty retarded not to think it's the best racing game ever made. :)
 
Give it up Shen, I think Code is going to be buried with his beloved PGR2....... :lol:

(and if you are looking for a replacement for GT3/C, sorry but you'll just have to wait for GT4........there is no substitute)
 
Code, you can not pick any track any car and get a replay of that race. You can save as many replays as you like but you can not view them . It even says in the manual you can only use them for Xbox live. The is from an offline view like I stated. I do not have Xbox live and I changed my mine on getting it. I have logged in at least 15 hours playing online.

I never said how much open ended it was. PGR2 is not. I love replays of my drifting or just for fun. You can only get replays from Kudos challenge and thats were the retrictions really kick in.

Its not a bad game, its just not a keeper for offline.

edit: I dont buy games to beat them, I buy them to play them.
 
Give it up Shen, I think Code is going to be buried with his beloved PGR2.......

lol so? :)




You can save as many replays as you like but you can not view them

options, profile, replays, AND THERE THEY ARE!!! All the replays you saved :) There you go, watch your replays!

PGR2 for me is a stop gap for GT4 tbh, btw anyone seen that new racing game being made by the makers of rally trophy? Looks pretty cool :) Flat out I think it's called.

http://www.bugbear.fi/flatout.htm

look at screenies! :D hehe looks so much fun!
 
Look, I don't mean to seem like I'm outright bashing the game. But from what so many xbox fans claim (not saying that you are one), the game is so stellar. I've not seen a single thing stellar about this game, as it seems pretty average to me. The title only boasts a big budget, strong marketing campaign and a drought of quality racers on the system it stems from. :odd:

Even Rage Racer and Ridge Racer Type 4 had more to offer than this game does. Lord knows, NFS: Hot Pursuit 2 is the only game that I've played which conveys the excitement and sense of speed that a Ferrari has. :cool:
 
That is your opinion though man. It's not a stellar game, but it's certainly a brilliant game, and has kept me happy :) That's what matters.
 
But code, the main problem is you cant save replays of any race. But thanks for the info I never would have found that.
 
Originally posted by code_kev
That is your opinion though man. It's not a stellar game, but it's certainly a brilliant game, and has kept me happy :) That's what matters.

I don't wanna knock it, I'm glad it keeps you happy. But seriously (I know I'm being very picky now), there's nothing here "brilliant" about it.

C'mon now, really. It's a barebones racer.
 
np laBounti, your right though, you can't. The lack of multiplayer replays is an utter *****, I hate bizarre for doing that. :(


Shen Yin, I've played MANY racing games, and I found this one too be superb, it's so damn playable, and there's so much to do! Each to their own, I guess. BTW, you bought apex, poor you.
 
Originally posted by code_kev


Shen Yin, I've played MANY racing games, and I found this one too be superb, it's so damn playable, and there's so much to do! Each to their own, I guess. BTW, you bought apex, poor you.

Well, technically every game is "playable". Well, almost every game.

Apex isn't half bad. The sense of speed is good and it's pretty flamboyant with the cities. Plus, it has life within its cities, instead of looking like a virtual version of 28 Days Later. The AI and physics mechanics vs. opponents sucks ass though.

Next up for trade.
 
i dont see how anyone could think any racing game is better then gran turismo well i mean not pgr2 against gt1 or 2 but pgr2 against gt3 or soon to be gt4 i believe that gt3 is better and im not just another ps2 fanboy who hates xbox imo if someone was to ask me if i would buy an xbox or a ps2 (if GT3 didnt exsist) then i would denfinatly take xbox. my other ps2 games are collecting dust while GT3 still doesnt leave my ps2 (ive owned it for close to two years) and i have never gone two weeks without playing it and i play it almost everyday. so i guess my point is i like gt3 more then anyother racing game out there even though i havent played all of them (i played pgr1) and i like some of the other games but not nearly as much as the gran turismo series
 
People make fun of PC owners being sad, but console fan boyism is far worse. Simply dismissing a game that isn't Gran Turismo & more or less calling a game crap more or less because of that is rediculous.

Whats more rediculous though is saying PGR2 is a crap arcade racer because its got 'auto-drift' & every car can drift easily. Well I've got the game & quite a few cars struggle to drift.

Also ummm so 'proper' arcade racers, Ridge Racer being probably the best known arcade racer. Well, errr, last time I played that I remember all you had to do was brake & turn to get an instant, completely unrealistic drift, so calling PGR2 a crap arcade racer with silly drift is daft. :rolleyes:

/Pfff weathers crap in England at the moment, miserable snowy/icy weather. Any news on GT4? :D
 
Originally posted by T5-R
/Pfff weathers crap in England at the moment, miserable snowy/icy weather. Any news on GT4? :D

I'd have been better off wearing ice skates to the bus stop today lol.
 
Originally posted by T5-R
People make fun of PC owners being sad, but console fan boyism is far worse. Simply dismissing a game that isn't Gran Turismo & more or less calling a game crap more or less because of that is rediculous.

Owning a PC isn't sad. I've got two which I use for a multitude of things such as video editing, music recording, school work, writing this stupid post, etc...... The thing is, I know what my computer is for: Work. When I want to play a game, I do not look to my PC. I go to my GAMING consoles, whose sole purpose is GAMING.

Oh, and since when is being partial to Gran Turismo such a bad thing? All the time I see posts seemingly criticizing people for liking GT better than any other racing game. Well duh people! That's kinda the purpose of this message board. GT fans talking about GT.
 
So you all think this is the newest rivalry? PGR2 and GT4? I want you to back track to at least 1999 or 2000. At that time, a game dubbed as "Gran Turismo 2000" (now GT3) was a close rival with Ridge Racer V. RRV had the traditional two courses from the first RR, but with many more variations, including an oval course on its own island to add variety. GT3 promised better graphics, more tracks, and as you seen, you been convinced. So much so that GT3 got the "Greatest Hits" nod without even trying. Likewise, RRV was good in its own right. Trying to compare these two games then is like comparing "Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution" to "Soul Calibur II" now. In fact, some still say that both of them are good, no matter what system you own.

Now we have the college football eqivalent of Ohio State vs. Michigan in GT4 vs. PGR2. And with the "open-ended" tracks in PGR2, usually you have so many options because you're racing in a city, so of course there will be more routes to race through whatever city you're hauling butt in. The GT series needs not 4, 5, 10 configurations because it's mostly realistic. I mean, do you think people would allow you to go to Laguna Seca and run alternative routes around the circuit, or into the city of Monterrey, CA, USA? Grand Valley had two routes, and with reverse configuration, that makes for 4 courses total. You'd might as well take Tokyo R246 and come up with all sorts of different routes around the most expensive city in the world (Tokyo). PGR2 is basically legalized street racing, where you can race around a city pulling off all sorts of tricks. For racing fans, GT4 will be the ultimate game. GT was about racing with the big boys and girls even if you didn't have the budget to buy an Esperante GT1, like in GT3. Gran Turismo doesn't need to be flashy to sell game units. It's not really catered to that audience, even though it has perfectly balanced arcade gameplay with fluid realism.

I know I been on for at least a month or two, but I'm going to hate myself for saying this. But, Project Gotham Racing 2 is good at its field, and GT4 is good at its field. It is like comparing Tiger Woods in golf to Michael Scumacher in Formula One. Both of are good at their sport of choice. People can make all the comparisons in the world, but as far as I know, I'm convinced that since the first Gran Turismo, no other racing game captures the realism of GT. Others have tried to beat it at its game, or try to beat it period... heck, even a magazine said that Ridge Racer Type 4 had more cars than Gran Turismo and is even as good as GT. I will never say that an argument like this is pathetic because people want to prove something and will stop at nothing to prove their point. Anyhow, I think GT4 will once again be the king of all racing games, even beating PGR2. GT4 has gone out of its way to revise the physics altogether to make this the best ever racing exprience. Even 10 years from now, it will still be off of shelves. I'll be 31 years old when it's January 31, 2014. GT will still sell. PGR2 just made their last game better, and that's it. Class is over. You are dismissed.
 
Originally posted by Majin SSJ Eric
Owning a PC isn't sad. I've got two which I use for a multitude of things such as video editing, music recording, school work, writing this stupid post, etc...... The thing is, I know what my computer is for: Work. When I want to play a game, I do not look to my PC. I go to my GAMING consoles, whose sole purpose is GAMING.

Oh, and since when is being partial to Gran Turismo such a bad thing? All the time I see posts seemingly criticizing people for liking GT better than any other racing game. Well duh people! That's kinda the purpose of this message board. GT fans talking about GT.

Yeah of course owning a PC ain't sad, but some fanboys think so, aswell as hating every console that they don't own :lol:

Theres a difference between being partial towards Gran Turismo & writing off all other racing game arrivals before there even on the starting grid :)
 
Originally posted by LaBounti
GT4 is not even out.

Halo aint all that good. The levels suck the multiplayer is buggy and poorly planed out. Halo PC riuns like crap and looks like crap compared to other PC games in general.

Im very sorry if this is off topic but I cant let a comment like that go without saying WTF!! So silent cartographer isnt the best fps level you've played ?

I cant let a comment like Halo aint that good pass without putting in my two pence worth, so there it is.
 
my answer to code_kev:
IT IS MY PERSONAL OPINION AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THINKING ANYONE ELSE FOR THIS GAME!!!!!
 
Being a good game and not that good does not mean its bad. Just becuase everyone thinks its god in a box doesnt mean everyone else does. If you think everyone is supossed to love it then you're sick in the head. I've played/ own alomst every big time FPS for PC. I guess its easy to fool non pc gamers. Try Halo for PC, same game but doesnt compare to other PC fps including 2-3 year old games.
 
OK then - everyone doesnt have to like it at all. I just love the game so my opinion is always going to be biased
we should really discuss this in the x-box forum I suppose !

So until then *waves*
 

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