GT5 2.0 Disappointment Thread

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Il give pd, Another year. If my 1997 Toyota Supra is not premium, ima have to go buy forza. Which means ima have to buy a:

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Forza 4
12yr trashbox live
 
GTShadowKing
Is there something implicited on your message?

I see still not happy, sorry I tried. And yes there is. Read my posts, I want a better GT5 and not wait for a probably unfinished GT6.

Matchmaking would be so easy to implement, add leaderboards ( also online / offline win ratio! 💡 ) and you almost had a perfect game, but noooo, for some reason PD seem to live on the moon or something.. :/
 
So why aren't all the people in here that feel a need to run around defending GT5 with every ounce of spare strength they have posting anything in this appreciation thread?

It's gone beyond constructive criticism now. It's now complaining for complaining's sake.

And suprise suprise it's the same people again and again. To some people it makes no difference. This is not about a game anymore. some people are just debbie downers and depressed by nature. No amount of updates or patches or positivity is going to change that.

If i were kaz, i would simply roll my eyes and just move on. Is it any suprise why PD does not even send any sort of CM in here on this supposed biggest GT fan site?

Sometimes i really feel for kaz and PD. A really massive update after a year with spa added as DLC and some people are just not even happy. No thanks. No gratitude. Nothing. Just complaints and whinging. It would be so easy for kaz to say **** this and move on. But he's too nice a man to do that.


Kaz, a message for you. It's wasted on some people. I guess it depends on your outlook on life. If moan and whinge alot on GT then chances are you do so in real life too, But that's my opinion anyways. No disrespect to anyone
Get in here then champ.

You're not complaining about GT5, so what are you looking for? A fight.
 
So why aren't all the people in here that feel a need to run around defending GT5 with every ounce of spare strength they have posting anything in this appreciation thread?

Exactly. It just doesn't make any sense. Reminds me of those who constantly came into the "Is anyone else disappointed with GT5?" thread and ragged on those who posted in there.

I mean, come on people. Read the thread title. It clearly expresses a negative opinion towards the GT5 update, and a polar opposite of this thread exists already. Why are on earth are you coming in here if it makes you so irritated to see people talk badly about it?
 
I think the same thing can be said about the "create thumbnail" option and why PD created the "All" option. That time builds up and by then it just gets tedious. That's why I stopped changing oil immediately after buying cars.

GT3 had it right. It was so quick and easy. Same goes for the car wash.

I think what people want is GT to be what is was before GT5. Where licenses were the way you made progress, more races (but seasonals are quite fun and add to the lack of A-spec races), used car dealership but still being able to buy all the other cars new if you just wanted to. Not just a few cars in the dealership nicely dressed and the standards toned down. Also the old tracks that came along with it. ect... Yet people want that but also want the new stuff too, interiors, damage, weather shifting and time shifting, newer modern race cars and road cars. New tracks (with the old ones), obviously updated physics, and a great functioning online system.

That is what people seem to want that don't really like the state GT5 is in now.

Exactly. It just doesn't make any sense. Reminds me of those who constantly came into the "Is anyone else disappointed with GT5?" thread and ragged on those who posted in there.

I mean, come on people. Read the thread title. It clearly expresses a negative opinion towards the GT5 update, and a polar opposite of this thread exists already. Why are on earth are you coming in here if it makes you so irritated to see people talk badly about it?

Those fans feel they need to defend GT5 all the time so they purposely seek the opposite group out just to fight with them. Which really doesn't make sense, cause if you like GT5 that much wouldn't you be playing that rather than arguing with those not playing it? I mean to me that is intolerant to the GT fanbase that doesn't like it, so we have to conform to hardcore fans and like it like them?

I've seen alot of double standards that they are allowed (in their own warped thought) but not us, because we're the evil complainers out there.
 
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Yup exactly. ^^

Also it was much easier and more fun to make money in GT1-4, the prize roulette was awesome too.

GT kinda lost its soul and thats what is annoying about all the complainers, complaining (dare I say trolling?!) about the slightest critisism...

I still love GT tho and I think Kaz knows what the real fans want, its just hard to deliver obviously.
 
1 track + a few cars + some extras = DLC

What people want in this thread = Gran Turismo 6

unreal
 
Yup exactly. ^^

Also it was much easier and more fun to make money in GT1-4, the prize roulette was awesome too.

GT kinda lost its soul and thats what is annoying about all the complainers, complaining (dare I say trolling?!) about the slightest critisism...

I still love GT tho and I think Kaz knows what the real fans want, its just hard to deliver obviously.

EXACTLY!!! I will still buy GT6 no doubt I just don't like GT5 all that much, but I think PD are really testing the waters with these new features and trying to find ways to make it possible to use said features all around and not just small portions. That is why I think GT6 will be a better racing game console wise.
 
only thing im really disappointed about is the ferrari seasonal event the prize money was dropped back down and no more half off on the cars in the ocd http://dig.la/HB

As others have said PD told the players that this would only be a limited time thing. So the limited has ran out and that is why we no longer have triple pay out or half priced online dealership. Just thought I'd let you know.
 
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Probably the same wise people who come in a complaints thread telling everyone to stop complaining. :rolleyes:

It's a real shame there are two different threads in the first place.
 
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So why aren't all the people in here that feel a need to run around defending GT5 with every ounce of spare strength they have posting anything in this appreciation thread?

Get in here then champ.

You're not complaining about GT5, so what are you looking for? A fight.

This is a discussion board. It's not your call to decide what to post where.
 
So is the purpose of the thread just for people who dislike the update to rub each other's backs?

Discussion has the potential to enlighten, regardless of what other threads exist.
 
This is a discussion board. It's not your call to decide what to post where.
So is the purpose of the thread just for people who dislike the update to rub each other's backs?
I dunno, is it? The people who frequent the dozens of appreciation threads the game has gotten since it came out go out of their way to raise hell whenever anybody expresses anything negative in any of them. Every. Single. Time.


If dissent isn't allowed in them, I see no reason why it should be allowed in here.
 
I dunno, is it? The people who frequent the dozens of appreciation threads the game has gotten since it came out go out of their way to raise hell whenever anybody expresses anything negative in any of them. Every. Single. Time.


If dissent isn't allowed in them, I see no reason why it should be allowed in here.

Seems there are bullies in both kinds of threads. Doesn't mean dissent isn't allowed, just means it requires patience and fortitude in the face of a majority opposition. It's okay to be a minority and to post criticism. It's better than okay if there is critical reasoning instead of cheap quips from users who are just flaming.
 


If dissent isn't allowed in them, I see no reason why it should be allowed in here.

That's neither for me nor you to decide what can be discussed in these forums. End of.

All I'm asking is for a bit of common sense and to see and respect the fine line between giving feedback and bitching.

Some of the inital issues, btw known a good deal before the release, have been improved. In some areas GT5 is still lacking. So what? Does that justify going over said subjects over and over and over again? No, it doesn't. I wonder what people think who they are, indeed if they have any social capabilities at all, to go nuts over a missing feature they would personally have expected.

Shame there's no RM LF-A for all we know, shame Fia GT cars won't make it in the first DLC, shame there's no vintage classics track pack. But what's the consequence? The physics are still improved in SPec2, the arcade AI got a bump up and the generic interiors do surprisingly well the trick. Endurance race saves and multiple setups. Quite enough in one helping I would say.
 
I am glad of having this update, most of all the renewed physics and the possibility of saving endurance races. That, and SPA, obviously. The problem is, since I have almost finished the game, and I cannot use the online mode, there's pretty much nothing I can do to exploit this last update, except lapping the nurburgring in practice mode, which is basically the only thing I have been doing in GT5 in the last few months. PD, was it THAT hard to implement another bundle of A-spec races? That was sincerely the only thing I was expecting to revitalize the game, and it's missing. It seems like PD lacks on organization, they just pointlessly roam from one aspect to another within the game without actually fixing any of them. I don't mind having more racing suits, more paints or more GT-R, when I will not be able to use any of them to actually race in some competition.
 
They improved the game, waaaah!

The AI is improved, waaah! Hardly worth having AI if they aren't hitting into you all the time.

The physics is improved, waaah! Hardly worth driving anymore if it's more realistic.

Loading times are reduced, waaah! Hardly worth loading the game anymore now it loads more quickly.

There's more cars, waaah....

They really should have done better. I wanted every car ever made in this update, every track ever made too. I want it free and I want it a year ago.

Oh well I guess I will just buy FM4 or whatever it's called. It's got awesome car sounds like GT1 had and the smashes look spectacular.

hmmmm several flaws with this post:

1) No-one complaining about the fact the game is improved per se. You could argue that if you have a dessert made of **** then "improve" it by putting a cherry on top doesn't make the dessert taste any better. Accept that a lot of people don't care for some of the "improvements".

2) The Ai is still dog slow around corners and brakes when I'm near them.

3) Physics don't feel much improved at all to me, granted I had no issues with physics other than the completely incorrect brake balance settings that has not been fixed (and never will really as it's the same as all the other GTs).

4) loading times are not really reduced are they..anyone who thinks they are is either hotlapping on their own or a complete cretin. The tracks seem to load quicker because we no longer have to wait for the cars.....but we can see the track and fiddle about with some of the menu options but can't race untill all 12 cars are loaded...which still takes ages.

5) more cars? well yeah, good for a free update but many people don't care for NASCAR.

Your last 2 comments are moronic, dismissive and shows that you have no idea what people are complaining about. You've spouted the generic crap that apologists spout all the time. Try reading, then hopefully you have the cognitive capacity to understand the complaints (but I doubt that).

That direction being? Don't get me wrong I crave for more expert seasonals and dearly miss the driving missions from GT4 to name just two examples. But I got over it and took full benefit of what GT5 has to offer. Some huge issues were improved with Spec2. Full day/night cycles on the two 24 hours tracks. That feature alone offers more than any console racer (save the out of date Grid). Want manufacturer races? There are 1000 of them, just head over to practice mode. I miss the classic tracks as much as the next person. I miss Motegi every time I watch an episode of BestMotoring. So what? They'll be back eventually. Or not. Who knows.

I'm not wasting such a great driving experience (running the Nürburgring in the exact same car as Kaz did this year for crying out loud) just because it's not GT4 in HD.

I even consider buying a 3D monitor because it's the first time since Magic Carpet I can play a game in stereoscopic 3D on a bleeding 300€ piece of hardware.

So take a break, step one step back, and give it a fresh start.

The direction is the removal of qualifying, standing starts, competitive Ai.

Practise and arcade should be side shows to the main event that should be the Aspec Career......yet it's clear that Practise and Arcade are SUPERIOR to Aspec....that is the WRONG Direction.

I don't care about artificial difficulty like the expert seasonals and the old GT4 missions. I want a REALISTIC racing expereince. and please no-one say the tired old "but it's not a racing games it's the "real driving simulator""....the CORE gameplay of the GTs has been RACE, earn money, buy
parts, buy more cars, RACE more...etc etc. It's ALL ABOUT RACING and the Aspec racing experience of GT5 is completely and utterly crap and PD are doing NOTHING to improve it.
 
The problem is, since I have almost finished the game, and I cannot use the online mode, there's pretty much nothing I can do to exploit this last update, except lapping the nurburgring in practice mode, which is basically the only thing I have been doing in GT5 in the last few months. PD, was it THAT hard to implement another bundle of A-spec races? That was sincerely the only thing I was expecting to revitalize the game, and it's missing. It seems like PD lacks on organization, they just pointlessly roam from one aspect to another within the game without actually fixing any of them. I don't mind having more racing suits, more paints or more GT-R, when I will not be able to use any of them to actually race in some competition.

And another one.

Your post shows exactly the quality I just fell short of raving about.

So it's PDs fault you can't use online? How did you get the update in the first place then?

Yes, I would love to see more challenging Seasonals like the Expert one. But guess what? People started complainig again because they found the challenge too hard and, presumably, didn't want to spend some actual time on the race.

What exactly stops you from starting from scratch with the new improved physics and take advantage of the standard interiors just for a little dash of extra immersion?

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I don't care about artificial difficulty like the expert seasonals and the old GT4 missions. I want a REALISTIC racing expereince. and please no-one say the tired old "but it's not a racing games it's the "real driving simulator""....the CORE gameplay of the GTs has been RACE, earn money, buy
parts, buy more cars, RACE more...etc etc. It's ALL ABOUT RACING and the Aspec racing experience of GT5 is completely and utterly crap and PD are doing NOTHING to improve it.

You have a very strange perception of the GT series, mate, I grant you that. No wonder you are unhappy.

And on two sidenotes:

First: Video or it didn't happen. Go to the settings, crank up the AI setting to 10, go to "A-level" in Arcade, race 7 laps on any track you like without SRF. Make a video showing you destroying the AI (or them jumping in the ditches).

Second: If you found the Expert seasonal (or the GT4 driving missions) "artificially hard", then you're not much of a racer and missed the whole point of GT altogether. This is not PGR (though that was fun, too).
 
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It's okay to be a minority and to post criticism. It's better than okay if there is critical reasoning instead of cheap quips from users who are just flaming.

It might be okay for you. There are some who either ignore or blast negative comments.

Either way no one should be blasted. We should be allowed to express our constructive views without the fear of being strung up
 
And another one.

(It is not another one. It's me.)

Your post shows exactly the quality I just fell short of raving about.

So it's PDs fault you can't use online? How did you get the update in the first place then?

(The online should be a plus to every game. PD delivered quite a big and enjoyable game, but failed on making it durable by inexplicably cut the available races)

Yes, I would love to see more challenging Seasonals like the Expert one. But guess what? People started complainig again because they found the challenge too hard and, presumably, didn't want to spend some actual time on the race.


What exactly stops you from starting from scratch with the new improved physics and take advantage of the standard interiors just for a little dash of extra immersion?

(Nothing stops me from doing that, but again, I would find the A-spec to be boring, incomplete and short. Sorta deja-vu)




You have a very strange perception of the GT series, mate, I grant you that. No wonder you are unhappy.

(I have been playing to GT1, GT2, GT3, GT4 and GT5 'til my fingers bled. You won't find a bigger enthusiast of gt series, but that does not keep me away from complaining about what I dislike and what seemed to me a step backward PD takes. Being a gt fan, in fact, still doesn't make a fan boy out of me.)

All in all, it seems that if you try and point out what you disliked of the game, after spending 1 year playing at it, and even in a post called "update 2.0 disappointment" you will be bashed and flamed to death. Just grow up and get some criticisms, or at least try to accept that other people might have it.
 
All in all, it seems that if you try and point out what you disliked of the game, after spending 1 year playing at it, and even in a post called "update 2.0 disappointment" you will be bashed and flamed to death. Just grow up and get some criticisms, or at least try to accept that other people might have it.

Sorry to have offended you, but in the light of:

That was sincerely the only thing I was expecting to revitalize the game, and it's missing. It seems like PD lacks on organization, they just pointlessly roam from one aspect to another within the game without actually fixing any of them.

So a feature you have wished for is missing and that equals PD being off track and incompetent? Really? Or is it more that the past updates showed a steady improvment in graphics, tweaks in AI, and finally physics with Spec2 on top of everything?
 
I bought GT5 on release day, played it hard for a month or so and then put it away because of the serious problems with the core of the game. Then the news hits about 2.0 and my excitement level rises just a touch.

Then update time comes and the AI is still trash, and the tire model is still broken.

When the company adds window dressing without attending to the core issues that are badly in need of repair it speaks volumes to the mentality of the company.

PD obviously is happy with how these things are, and as such is no longer the company that can produce a good racing game. I had a ton of hope for GT5. I even kept my hope up when the game at release was so messed up. I kept that hope while waiting for some of those badly needed fixes. Now, I am fairly confident that GT5 will never be the great game that it could have been, and will always be an unfinished piece of software. At least I hope it is that way because if PD thinks the game is complete as is than they are even more lost than I had thought.

PD really crapped in their own hand on this one.
 
You have a very strange perception of the GT series, mate, I grant you that. No wonder you are unhappy.

And on two sidenotes:

First: Video or it didn't happen. Go to the settings, crank up the AI setting to 10, go to "A-level" in Arcade, race 7 laps on any track you like without SRF. Make a video showing you destroying the AI (or them jumping in the ditches).

Second: If you found the Expert seasonal (or the GT4 driving missions) "artificially hard", then you're not much of a racer and missed the whole point of GT altogether. This is not PGR (though that was fun, too).

A strange perception? what? so you don't have to earn cash to buy parts and cars then? I have no idea what you do with the GT games but that's been the core aspect since day one...do you only play arcade mode stuff?

I play Aspec, I need money to buy the cars in the game. Arcade give you no money. If I spend and hour racing and enjoying arcade I have no money to buy another car. I COULD understand it if EVERY car was available in arcade....but nope PD ballsed that up with a restricted garage OR use you own cars...which need in game credits to buy thus Aspec. I do NOT have an infinite amount of time to devote to this game.

ho ho, here we go!! The usual crap from an apologist.. oh I'm a crap driver so WHAT ON EARTH am I thinking, daring to buy GT5 and think that I could possibly enjoy it....dear god I must need my head examined.

right sarcasm over. JUST because I find something artificially hard does not mean I cannot do it. What I mean is CONTRIVED difficulty. i.e. handicapping the human player in some way. Seasonals do it by forcing the player to start last a SIGNIFICANT distance behind the car in 1st (which is usually the faster car in the field), and then populating the field with much slower cars giving the human player several mobile chicanes to get around.

What I want is proper FAIR racing, where the Ai can keep up with me and FIGHT me for the lead/position I'm in.

oh the PGR comment.....utterly typical pathetic dismissive comment.
 
Sorry to have offended you, but in the light of:



So a feature you have wished for is missing and that equals PD being off track and incompetent? Really? Or is it more that the past updates showed a steady improvment in graphics, tweaks in AI, and finally physics with Spec2 on top of everything?

It is a feature which, by common sense, was the first one due to be included, in a game which was already pretty darn good, but way too short if compared to other GTs. About the improvements, I clearly remember having started my post in this way to follow:

I am glad of having this update, most of all the renewed physics and the possibility of saving endurance races. That, and SPA, obviously.

You may want to read people posts to a more thorough extension, before pointing your finger against any single possible complaint. I'm just trying to say here that, while I can perfectly stand a GT with some graphic or technical flaw here and there (PD are humans, and PS3 is a complicated machine to code for), I won't stand just with a smile a GT which takes one month to be completed. I don't like that, and I'm using the proper thread on the proper website to complain about that. You don't like it? Just leave to the "world-is-all-green-and-sunny-and-with-singing-birds-in-the-sky-and-everything-is-just-so-perfect" thread. You're just out of your element, dude. No hard feelings :)
 
I bought GT5 on release day, played it hard for a month or so and then put it away because of the serious problems with the core of the game. Then the news hits about 2.0 and my excitement level rises just a touch.

Then update time comes and the AI is still trash, and the tire model is still broken.

When the company adds window dressing without attending to the core issues that are badly in need of repair it speaks volumes to the mentality of the company.

PD obviously is happy with how these things are, and as such is no longer the company that can produce a good racing game. I had a ton of hope for GT5. I even kept my hope up when the game at release was so messed up. I kept that hope while waiting for some of those badly needed fixes. Now, I am fairly confident that GT5 will never be the great game that it could have been, and will always be an unfinished piece of software. At least I hope it is that way because if PD thinks the game is complete as is than they are even more lost than I had thought.

PD really crapped in their own hand on this one.

If they had to make changes to the core that would effectively need them to launch an entirely new copy of the game, thats why the fixes that Codemasters needed to do for F2010 are only seen in F2011, think of it as being the same as Hotmail or Gmail having to change the entire back end system of its entire network.
 
If they had to make changes to the core that would effectively need them to launch an entirely new copy of the game, thats why the fixes that Codemasters needed to do for F2010 are only seen in F2011, think of it as being the same as Hotmail or Gmail having to change the entire back end system of its entire network.

Although I see your point, I would contend that this is not the same as a hotmail/gmail rebuild because both of those systems understood the core values of the product at implementation. Those products where not fundamentally broken upon release.

GT5 came out with a slew of problems that should are not acceptable for a tier one release. Especially when one considers all the delays for release, the missing or horribly done features list was far too long.

GT5 on release:

Broken Tire model
Horrible AI
Inability to set gear ratios
No leaderboards(I only list this because it is on the case for the game. If it is not in the game, don't put that on the case.)
Ridiculous load times

Add in the strange visual problems, the poor initial options for online racing, and the tons of horrid UI decisions and you get the idea.

GT5 today:
Broken tire model
Horrible AI
No leaderboards
Not as ridiculous load times,
UI has made steps both forward and back.

The way I see it, PD laid this egg and now a year later that this is the model they think is good. They have made these compromises in the core of the game for various reasons I am sure, but the bottom line is that this is how polyphony wants us to play GT. Their commitment is to trying to polish the brass on the ship rather than repair the poor welding and riveting that should hold the ship together.

So it seems as if it is the choice of PD is to believe that people want more crap rather than refinements of what we are all playing for, which is the driving model. This is counter to my opinion that the driving model is key, and no amount of suits, or helmets, or liveried cars I already have is going to change that. I guess PD and I just have different priorities about what is important in a driving game.
 
alba: You're confused I think. Games don't charge money for updates, patches or fixing glitches. They charge for DLC and so will PD (plus their DLC is a bit lazy since it's just mods of existing stuff). The whole "turn a blind eye to the truth" fanboy garbage gets old really fast. 2.0 has a few fixes people have been complaining about which is nice but it isn't anything to go crazy over. Cutting the seasonal cash was a big kick in the face as far as I'm concerned.
 
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