GT5 2.0 Disappointment Thread

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I would be happy as long as they do 2 things:

1- Keep coming up with new (reasonably priced) DLC every month or so, with nice world famous tracks and cars (not only japanese).
2 - Some time next year release spec 3.0 fixing the tyre simulation and AI.

For me, that would be enough.
 
AcidicGhost
I bought GT5 on release day, played it hard for a month or so and then put it away because of the serious problems with the core of the game. Then the news hits about 2.0 and my excitement level rises just a touch.

Then update time comes and the AI is still trash, and the tire model is still broken.

When the company adds window dressing without attending to the core issues that are badly in need of repair it speaks volumes to the mentality of the company.

PD obviously is happy with how these things are, and as such is no longer the company that can produce a good racing game. I had a ton of hope for GT5. I even kept my hope up when the game at release was so messed up. I kept that hope while waiting for some of those badly needed fixes. Now, I am fairly confident that GT5 will never be the great game that it could have been, and will always be an unfinished piece of software. At least I hope it is that way because if PD thinks the game is complete as is than they are even more lost than I had thought.

PD really crapped in their own hand on this one.
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Jeez you think you bought an unfinished game? go visit codemasters F1 forum

Im always amazed at the amount of criticism aimed at PD. I paid £45 for a game/simulator, whatever you want to call it. I have good graphics, good physics which are even better after 2.0, loads of cars to choose from and excellent online racing.

I guess Im always the optimist but actually I like the fact its not finished, I get to look forward to SPA!!!! and hopefully more DLC to come. I actually feel looked after by PD which is more than Codemasters customers can say right now when you look at the state of the PS3 version of F1 2011.
 
So.....the apologists say I should be playing arcade mode to get more fun...ok, so it goes against all logic for me (arcade mode should be the simpler pick up and play mode). modded TVR tuscan, Trial Mountain, 10 laps, Ai 10 agression + A Professional, real tyre wear, real tyre phsyics, full damage, no tcs or abs (like all TVRs should be set to). Ok I had racing softs on.

1st lap a bit of a mare, picked up damage to front right on the corner into the 1st litle tunnel, liking the steering off kilter to go straight. Locked up the brakes going into the left hander after the long back straight and damaged front left AND the engine....hmmm. Ai is definitly harder. But with the knowledge of the Ai better behaviour I picked my way up to the front with 1/2 a lap to go and won. I enjoyed the race. But I still won with a crippled car and I'm not that good. Ok I had racing softs, but only racing exhaust and full weight reduction on the TVR. up against Mac F1s, Veyrons, VW Nardos etc etc. So I still think the Ai is still a bit too easy. In fairness I'll attempt the same race tomorrow in an untuned Mac F1 or something.


BUT what's this...after the race ends the replay? Ok I'll press start to quit...er.....select....er X....er...tried EVERY smegging button...I had to sit and watch all 10 laps again...what the fricken hell is up with that? Am I missing something or have PD seriously disabled the quit replay function in arcade mode....a mode where you can have a race up 99 laps or even infinite?!! Please someone tell me I'm missing the quit replay thing.
 
Sselecta
Too much for the brain to comprehend? 💡
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Maybe, I don't believe any of my posts are mindless GT5 and PD bashing. I think I try to fully explain exactly what I think is wrong with the game and how it could quite easily be fixed to make GT5 a better game...but apparently that makes me a "hater".
 
AcidicGhost
Although I see your point, I would contend that this is not the same as a hotmail/gmail rebuild because both of those systems understood the core values of the product at implementation. Those products where not fundamentally broken upon release.

GT5 came out with a slew of problems that should are not acceptable for a tier one release. Especially when one considers all the delays for release, the missing or horribly done features list was far too long.

GT5 on release:

Broken Tire model
Horrible AI
Inability to set gear ratios
No leaderboards(I only list this because it is on the case for the game. If it is not in the game, don't put that on the case.)
Ridiculous load times

Add in the strange visual problems, the poor initial options for online racing, and the tons of horrid UI decisions and you get the idea.

GT5 today:
Broken tire model
Horrible AI
No leaderboards
Not as ridiculous load times,
UI has made steps both forward and back.

The way I see it, PD laid this egg and now a year later that this is the model they think is good. They have made these compromises in the core of the game for various reasons I am sure, but the bottom line is that this is how polyphony wants us to play GT. Their commitment is to trying to polish the brass on the ship rather than repair the poor welding and riveting that should hold the ship together.

So it seems as if it is the choice of PD is to believe that people want more crap rather than refinements of what we are all playing for, which is the driving model. This is counter to my opinion that the driving model is key, and no amount of suits, or helmets, or liveried cars I already have is going to change that. I guess PD and I just have different priorities about what is important in a driving game.
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A+ for constructive critisism. This is exactally why some people are unhappy with GT5.
 
robbo6
Maybe, I don't believe any of my posts are mindless GT5 and PD bashing. I think I try to fully explain exactly what I think is wrong with the game and how it could quite easily be fixed to make GT5 a better game...but apparently that makes me a "hater".
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I'm with you on all mentioned points thus far. I love GT5's good parts but I can't simply stand the bad parts, my main gripe being the lack of career content. I want nothing else than the game to improve and evolve. But I guess, we're all haters for that.
 
Sselecta
I'm with you on all mentioned points thus far. I love GT5's good parts but I can't simply stand the bad parts, my main gripe being the lack of career content. I want nothing else than the game to improve and evolve. But I guess, we're all haters for that.
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No you are not, I was also pissed off by this kind of career mode, but I already get over it... but now that "we're all haters for that" attitude is pathetic IMHO...

No hard feelings mates, pardon if misunderstood :D
 
There is a very simple solution to your troubles and that includes the rest of you. Sell the game. Ever thought of that? Not only you get some money for it and avoid PD's 'incompetence' but you also gain low blood pressure and live a healthy life.

That's what i would do anyways
 
vandaliser
There is a very simple solution to your troubles and that includes the rest of you. Sell the game. Ever thought of that? Not only you get some money for it and avoid PD's 'incompetence' but you also gain low blood pressure and live a healthy life.

That's what i would do anyways
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This is actually an excellent advice 👍
 
vandaliser
There is a very simple solution to your troubles and that includes the rest of you. Sell the game. Ever thought of that? Not only you get some money for it and avoid PD's 'incompetence' but you also gain low blood pressure and live a healthy life.

That's what i would do anyways
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Finally somebody with common sense!
 
GTShadowKing
No you are not, I was also pissed off by this kind of career mode, but I already get over it... but now that "we're all haters for that" attitude is pathetic IMHO...

No hard feelings mates, pardon if misunderstood :D
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Good for you, I'd say. But personally, I will never accept such minimal career mode as in GT5 as it's nowhere up to pair with what previous games offered. It's a disgrace.
 
i dont know why you guys are dissapointed they give you something for nothing and you still find something to moan about, its like getting a free car and then saying but its an old skoda! its free be grateful for what you have...
 
Sselecta
Good for you, I'd say. But personally, I will never accept such minimal career mode as in GT5 as it's nowhere up to pair with what previous games offered. It's a disgrace.
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But you should. After all, there are much more important things, and it also makes your blood pressure lower and your stress level decrease :D
 
PantalonUK
Jeez you think you bought an unfinished game? go visit codemasters F1 forum
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Thanks for the suggestion. I googled "codemasters f1 forum", chose the first result and selected a thread titled something like "top 5 things you want to have fixed".

17 pages of people complaining about the bugs in F1. And then, finally, a fanboy:

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I would also like to see tyres that degraded based on my driving style rather than time out on track.
Fanboy:
They do degrade based on your driving style. I wear them too fast and I've seen people confirm that they could make their tyres last a couple of laps longer.

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This goes for fuel as well Perhaps even flatspots if It's not too much to ask? I would like interactive pitstops and manual speed limiting in the pits. Split times and an engineer that is not on crack would help.
Fanboy:
Fuel does deplete dending on driving style.
I've seen people confirm flatspots.
Pit limiter is out because of the number of buttons available.
Split times are in.
Engineer tells a lot of useful information this year.

Quote:
Setup is a joke in the codies games. Should at least have an option for advanced set up as well as quick setup.
Fanboy:
There is advanced setup. Search for it in on the monitor in the garage. Rightmost menu item.

Quote:
Co-op would be nice if it ****ing worked (that kind of goes for the whole game though)
Fanboy:
The game works. It has a few kinks here and there, but it works. If your game doesn't work (unable to play) then return it to the vendor and ask for a replacement.

Quote:
Most importantly however, Codemasters, don't fist me 3 years in a row! i have spent at least 3 times as many hours configuring your poor software instead of playing.
Fanboy:
If you don't like it, then don't but '12. Codies make great F1 games, they can't sadly do anything about people whining all over the place about minor glitches, blowing them out of proportions.
Finally, I see your post, and you say X, Y & Z are not working/in the game, although they most certainly are. Seriously, think before you post.


See now? That fanboy is like the fanboys here. Only difference is he bought a different game.
 
GTShadowKing
But you should. After all, there are much more important things, and it also makes your blood pressure lower and your stress level decrease :D
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Such as? I can't think of anyhting more important then the core (career mode besides physics) of all GT game this far.
 
G24
Finally somebody with common sense!
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Thanks. I never understood this mentality. I remember opening my FF12 box and getting giddy at the thought of another superb FF on the mould of ff`10.

After 10 hours i was like what the hell is this ****? Promptly sold that trash and bought king of fighters 2000. Never looked back ever since.
 
Sselecta
Such as? I can't think of anything more important then the core (career mode besides physics) of all GT game this far.
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Real life stuff 💡 And if it hurts so much, you should move on...or the pain will always be there...
 
Kobooi
Thanks for the suggestion. I googled "codemasters f1 forum", chose the first result and selected a thread titled something like "top 5 things you want to have fixed".

17 pages of people complaining about the bugs in F1. And then, finally, a fanboy:

Quote:
I would also like to see tyres that degraded based on my driving style rather than time out on track.
Fanboy:
They do degrade based on your driving style. I wear them too fast and I've seen people confirm that they could make their tyres last a couple of laps longer.

Quote:
This goes for fuel as well Perhaps even flatspots if It's not too much to ask? I would like interactive pitstops and manual speed limiting in the pits. Split times and an engineer that is not on crack would help.
Fanboy:
Fuel does deplete dending on driving style.
I've seen people confirm flatspots.
Pit limiter is out because of the number of buttons available.
Split times are in.
Engineer tells a lot of useful information this year.

Quote:
Setup is a joke in the codies games. Should at least have an option for advanced set up as well as quick setup.
Fanboy:
There is advanced setup. Search for it in on the monitor in the garage. Rightmost menu item.

Quote:
Co-op would be nice if it ****ing worked (that kind of goes for the whole game though)
Fanboy:
The game works. It has a few kinks here and there, but it works. If your game doesn't work (unable to play) then return it to the vendor and ask for a replacement.

Quote:
Most importantly however, Codemasters, don't fist me 3 years in a row! i have spent at least 3 times as many hours configuring your poor software instead of playing.
Fanboy:
If you don't like it, then don't but '12. Codies make great F1 games, they can't sadly do anything about people whining all over the place about minor glitches, blowing them out of proportions.
Finally, I see your post, and you say X, Y & Z are not working/in the game, although they most certainly are. Seriously, think before you post.


See now? That fanboy is like the fanboys here. Only difference is he bought a different game.
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unfortunately you picked a "fanboy" who doesnt know what hes talking about. tire wear is not down to driving on F1 2011. Sit car in a sand trap and watch that tread wear down. Unfortunately CM put the tires on a timer, very sad. I could go on all day about the bugs and broken graphics (PS3) in that game but I wont here.

But anyway yes good point. There are always people ready to defend a game if they love it, just as there are people ready to criticise. I hate this whole "fanboy" thing, Im 34 and Ive played GT since no1, I can criticise GT on a few things but really getting in car in GT and feeling the road on Nordschleife is good enough for me to be happy.

Im just trying to say PD released quite a polished game in comparison to others and PD have been patching to fix and improve. GT is still evolving
 
GTShadowKing
Real life stuff 💡 And if it hurts so much, you should move on...or the pain will always be there...
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Thanks for the reminder but I thought we were talking about GT? And to be honest, I've considered moving on to Forza - next-gen that is.
 
Sselecta
Such as? I can't think of anyhting more important then the core (career mode besides physics) of all GT game this far.
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Special events? Actually, i think GT should ditch A-spec and focus on expanding the special events. So much awesomeness and uniqueness that isn't even recognized when people talk about GT5s career mode.
 
GTShadowKing
Then bye and be happy :)
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Till then, you'll just have to cope with me.

ocalot2k5
Special events? Actually, i think GT should ditch A-spec and focus on expanding the special events. So much awesomeness and uniqueness that isn't even recognized when people talk about GT5s career mode.
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Special events are a great addition to the series. I loved them in GT4 and I love them now. It should be expanded, no doubt. But I'd still like to see a decent career mode.
 
Sselecta
Till then, you'll just have to cope with me.


Special events are a great addition to the series. I loved them in GT4 and I love them now. It should be expanded, no doubt. But I'd still like to see a decent career mode.
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Agreed. But why can't the special event be the career mode? Imagine starting up gt5 and being prompted to customize your interface by what category of racing you like? e.g kart, rally, F1, super gt, classic you get my drift. Then picking a driver and rolling through a campain focused real world fame? Im drooling as i type this lol.
 
Serious question to those folks who feels it applies to them.

Why do those who feel the need to defend PD and GT5 choose to voluntary come into threads clearly expressing disappointment towards this update, then talk down to everyone who wasn't exactly satisfied with it? Not to mention TWO exact opposites of this thread already exist.

I just don't understand it. If it bothers you so much to hear people talk negatively towards GT5, why come in here?

Reminds me too much of the "Is anyone else disappointed in GT5?" thread and people got blasted in the only place it was perfectly fine to express their dislikes about the game.
 

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