GT5 BTCC/WTCC league

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MrMelancholy15
No, it's not N/A. In order to run anywhere near the horsepower "range" of the BTCC specs we're using, you need the turbos. The BMW is the only N/A car I know of, so far.
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Oh right... Yeah I said that the Focus is a turbo but my Civic is an NA engine. I thought the extra torque of the turbo should mean higher tyre wear on a front wheel drive car, when compared to NA, but GT5 does not seem to work this way!

Are you suggesting that I change my civic to use a turbo charger? I can easily make the power with NA and have to detune it to keep it within 315bhp.

In fact, if sixflags is using a turbo in his civic it may explain why he was so much faster on the straights than me?!
 
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I'm going to offer my knowledge here. I have raced in SS touring car series and we needed to ballast the BMW 330i to 1350-1400kgs to make it equal with the Civic and Focus at 1200, in that series it still wins races (On pace) at that weight. (1190 here so not much difference) Also the VW Scirroco will qutie simily trounce everything. If you are only doing 2:04s/5s around Monza as on SS tyres and 256bhp it could do 2:05s.. With 300+ I can do 2:00s in it.

This is just helpful advice from past experience testing cars for series and racing them.
 
Ok so tyre wear seems a real issue with my car. I haven't got excessive camber or toe but my tyres fall off a cliff after four laps. I'm able to get a 2:04 on the 4th lap but after that nowhere near. Grip is non existent by about lap 6 /7 with brake lock up everywhere. Can anyone offer any help, can't understand how the focus can be so much better in this regard?! It won't make the races much fun if the civics are effectively out of the race after 4 laps, although this could be down to my inexperience in tuning... reading on the forums there seem to be a lot of gripes with the GT5 type wear model...

Do the other online touring car style races run with tyre wear?
 
jammyrex
Ok so tyre wear seems a real issue with my car. I haven't got excessive camber or toe but my tyres fall off a cliff after four laps. I'm able to get a 2:04 on the 4th lap but after that nowhere near. Grip is non existent by about lap 6 /7 with brake lock up everywhere. Can anyone offer any help, can't understand how the focus can be so much better in this regard?! It won't make the races much fun if the civics are effectively out of the race after 4 laps, although this could be down to my inexperience in tuning... reading on the forums there seem to be a lot of gripes with the GT5 type wear model...

Do the other online touring car style races run with tyre wear?
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What kinda helped with me was to make the back of the car swing as much as possible, that made the fronts have more grip and also because of the swing, the speed is there when you need it. It was easy after a while for me to get some consistent 4.6's, that could keep me going that fast for up to 7 laps, then a drop off
 
My own touring car series runs with tyre wear. In fact, the whole series was based on the tyre wear.
 
I almost never spin the wheels coming out of corners, this is where you get a lot of deg with the tire. I think the problems with deg are purely down to the driver input. I'll tune up a Civic soon and see if I have the same problems but I don't think so ^^
 
Fuelmyfire
I almost never spin the wheels coming out of corners, this is where you get a lot of deg with the tire. I think the problems with deg are purely down to the driver input. I'll tune up a Civic soon and see if I have the same problems but I don't think so ^^
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I tried making the diff slip a little more, not quite the acceleration, but the tires lasted longer
 
Well if the tires are useless by lap 7 you probably did the right thing. Monza is not very hard on tires really, some of the later tracks may prove harder such as SSR5.
 
Fuelmyfire
Well if the tires are useless by lap 7 you probably did the right thing. Monza is not very hard on tires really, some of the later tracks may prove harder such as SSR5.
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It is only the hard acceleration that killed my tires, other corners worked the rears
 
Even softs? Although I did do 15 laps on 'um and I was pushing the car.

And Sixflags, that's interesting because my rears were basically brand new after a 10 lap stint. I guess I just don't slide the rear around too much, but I do have rather stiff roll bar settings.

So are we having our first race meeting this week? Or do we all want more time/more drivers involved?
 
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Fuelmyfire
I almost never spin the wheels coming out of corners, this is where you get a lot of deg with the tire. I think the problems with deg are purely down to the driver input. I'll tune up a Civic soon and see if I have the same problems but I don't think so ^^
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Well I have tried playing with the diff settings quite a bit. I'm trying to be gentle on acceleration and not overheat the tyres in the corners, as I notice the more they go red obviously the quicker they wear, but as they wear they go red more easily but I'm still trying to be gentle on them. But try as I might my tyres are shot after about 6 laps regardless at monza!! The grip drops off a cliff!! If you have the time to play around yourself I would really appreciate your findings!!

My rears are pretty good after this amount of laps though. Brake balance of 3 at the front and 1 at the rear, and if the bias is any different then the rear locks up and swings out every time. I had read that increasing the rear and lessening the front could help with tyre wear but the car seems undriveable with the settings any different from 3 front / 1 rear.
 
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Straighten the car as much as you can before hitting the accelerator. Being aggressive coming out of the corners to the point you spin the wheels will only ruin them.

The brake bias would only make a difference if you are putting too much load through the brakes, when I go into a corner I never go above 90% on the brake pedal especially on the hard stops (like turn one or into the Ascari chicane/Roggia chicane). I too have the settings at 1 for the rear, but I change from 4 to 3 at the fronts on about lap 5.

I'll tune up a Civic tonight or tomorrow and report back.

Right... The Civic is fine on its tires, and damn quick I might add (4-5mph quicker on the main straight and I could brake just before the 150 board). I did my fastest lap in the WTCC cars in it just now (2:04.087) and the tires were at about 1/3 left after 10 laps of pushing. I'll share my version so you can compare.
 
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Fuelmyfire
Straighten the car as much as you can before hitting the accelerator. Being aggressive coming out of the corners to the point you spin the wheels will only ruin them.

The brake bias would only make a difference if you are putting too much load through the brakes, when I go into a corner I never go above 90% on the brake pedal especially on the hard stops (like turn one or into the Ascari chicane/Roggia chicane). I too have the settings at 1 for the rear, but I change from 4 to 3 at the fronts on about lap 5.

I'll tune up a Civic tonight or tomorrow and report back.

Right... The Civic is fine on its tires, and damn quick I might add (4-5mph quicker on the main straight and I could brake just before the 150 board). I did my fastest lap in the WTCC cars in it just now (2:04.087) and the tires were at about 1/3 left after 10 laps of pushing. I'll share my version so you can compare.
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I have been trying to brake as gently as possible on longer runs. On my current set-up last week I managed to get my laptime to a best of high 2:02's but this was driving 'all out' - but perhaps this setup is too aggressive even when I'm driving in the 2:04-5 range. But I'm not sure how to make it less aggressive aside from what I've already tried!

Will be most interested to hear your findings fuel!!!
 
High 2:02s? That's really fast. You sure you're keeping within the circuit? :P The Ford only gets to 2:04.1XX as a best time and I can only see improving by maybe a few tenths or so.

I'm interested as to the speed of the VW after everybody was talking so much about it.

jammyrex
Will be most interested to hear your findings fuel!!!
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I meant I have shared my Civic so you can try it out, see if the tire wear is still as bad for you.
 
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We only need one huge lap in quali, but in the race, we will see what really happens with wind and all
 
Fuelmyfire
High 2:02s? That's really fast. You sure you're keeping within the circuit? :P The Ford only gets to 2:04.1XX as a best time and I can only see improving by maybe a few tenths or so.

I'm interested as to the speed of the VW after everybody was talking so much about it.

I meant I have shared my Civic so you can try it out, see if the tire wear is still as bad for you.
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Well I was aggressive over the kerbs and was on the ragged edge.... Would have to review my replay to check my lines.

Hmm it's very unrealistic in comparison to real life that a scirocco would be 2 seconds or so faster that I have been reading on the forums, seems a misjudgement of the coders of the game to me.

That's great I will try it out later then, how have you shared your setup?

Fuelmyfire
So are we racing tomorrow?

I think we need more people than 5 or 6...
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Well I guess we need to start at some point and could be waiting indefinitely for the numbers to grow. Wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing to start small and get a grasp of running things? Also, didn't we suggest a Thursday as the race day? At around 10pm gmt?


In fact we discussed it earlier in the thread and I think we agreed on a Thursday? :

jammyrex
Hi, originally there was a Thursday race meet planned for 10pm GMT? Has that changed? I could make that one, but unfortunately ordinarily Wed evenings (badminton club) and most Fridays are no good for me :-( I understand that accommodating everyone is impossible, but with the Thursday eve I could have at least made the one race in the week, even if it meant missing the Wednesday rounds...
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raceorama123432
I can do thursday 9:45pm - thats when I thought meeting were
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Fuelmyfire
High 2:02s? That's really fast. You sure you're keeping within the circuit? :P The Ford only gets to 2:04.1XX as a best time and I can only see improving by maybe a few tenths or so.

I'm interested as to the speed of the VW after everybody was talking so much about it.



I meant I have shared my Civic so you can try it out, see if the tire wear is still as bad for you.
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Heads up for you the Scirocco is well known in these kind of series with equal regulations to be very dominant:ouch: goodluck.👍
 
V8-Johnboy
Heads up for you the Scirocco is well known in these kind of series with equal regulations to be very dominant:ouch: goodluck.👍
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As soon as i get a seat, i will test it out



The Thursday races wouldnt work out, Wed. is really the only day I have to get a full race done
 
Fuelmyfire
I assumed Wednesday like we did last time. And Jammy, the setup is saved to the car I share :)
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that will work, unfortunately I have been having hosting problems lately, hopefully that doesn't cause lag for others in rooms I join
 
Sixflags48
As soon as i get a seat, i will test it out

The Thursday races wouldnt work out, Wed. is really the only day I have to get a full race done
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I can make only the next couple of Wednesdays, but unfortunately ordinarily I cant do Wednesday due to that being the night of my badminton club (from 8 - 10 gmt). I am only available at the the moment due to being injured. So after that I will have to pull out. :-(

So are we having a race tonight?
 
I'll post room details just after 9 Uk

And it's never too late to sign up :D

And Jammy, we can sort something out :)

Erm how do you put a password on the room?
 
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Fuelmyfire
I'll post room details just after 9 Uk

And it's never too late to sign up :D

And Jammy, we can sort something out :)

Erm how do you put a password on the room?
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Cool :-)

Can you make it so only your friends can join unlike last time when we had those rogue people coming in and ruining the laptime?
 
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