GT5 "Spec 2.0" Discussion Thread - Read the First post!

[DaveS1138]

Sorry, the logic is flawed. If people have paused an endurance race even once then they have NOT completed 24 hours straight, no matter how little time they paused for, you can't pause a real race.

How is the logic flawed? I agree that you shouldn't pause the game for 24 hour endurance races. If you do you have not run a 24 hour race.

Besides, I didn't realise there was a rule where when you buy the game you MUST use all features. Maybe they should just introduce another trophy "I did 24hrs straight without pausing" if it bothers you THAT much. I don't care if people use mid race saves, just like I don't care if people traded for X1s or any of the rare cars.

I think the extra trophy for people who do endurance races without pauses is a great idea. It solves the problem from both sides. People who race it over 24 hours get the extra achievment associated with that and people who cheat don't.

It's a game, we pay for it and are free to do whatever we like in the boundaries set by the game, a save feature is no different from a pause feature (if anyone used this again they did not complete 24hrs solid) except it could decrease the risk of PS3 failure.

but people do not want to race the 24 hour races within the boundaries of the game.....they want the game changed so that they can race the 24 hour races in a way that the boundaries of the game do not allow.
More over they want to remove the achievment of people who do want to race an actual 24 hour race so that they can do it.

Another funny thing to me is why do they want to do this?

I have touched on before WHY do people want to race a 24 hour race when the one thing they absolutely dont want to do is race for 24 hours?

The answer is always......so I can finish the game 100%.....so I can platinum the game....etc....what is that other than looking for an achievment from the game. Something that they want to remove from others.

As to decreasing the risk of PS3 failure.......seriously the 360 has so much to answer for this generation in making people afraid to leave anything on for more than a few hours.....My PS3 hasn't been switched off in years......amazingly it hasn't exploded or burnt the house down.

Early 360's were prone to overheating and failure.....they were badly designed....that doesn't mean that every other peice of ellectronics you own will also explode if you leave it turned on.

Do people also turn their TV's off every 3-4 hours in case they burst into flames?

It's very hard for anybody with a knowledge of ellectronics to take the pro endurance save people seriously when they keep going back to the red herring of console failure.

Like any game, some people will want to do everything to complete 100%. If people have used guides to find all the pigeons (GTA) etc then so what? Does it affect you? I highly doubt anyone really cares how you completed the endurance race. It's a game at the end of the day and everyone gets their enjoyment out if it in different ways.

See above......people want the achievment of finishing their game 100%......but these same people laugh at anybody who wants to keep the achievment of an endurance race intact.

Edit: Having played MGS 4 for many hours I got repeated warnings that I should not play the game for prolonged amounts of time and take breaks, and you want people to complete 24hours of racing without a break (pause button is a cheat, you can't do this in real life).

Where did I ever say I want people to complete 24 hours without a break?

Personally I think the only way to run the 24 hour races is with a group of friends taking shifts.

Yes I know alot of people dont have a group of friends they can call on to do that......but then why are they so adament that they want to run a 24 hour race by themselves.......oh right.....so they can have the achievment of finishing a game 100%.

 

[Ya Pops]

Dave, may I ask how you go about your 24hr enduros without pausing?
If you have mates taking shifts, cool.
But what about those that can't? What would you suggest for them apart don't do it if you're not going to do it my way?

 

[Spagetti69]

People who race it over 24 hours get the extra achievment associated with that and people who cheat don't.

Have you moaned at Kaz for cheating us all then?

Day/night cycle in a lap of Nurb.

 

[TheDrummingKING]

Wall of text about doing a 24h race with or without pausing etc.

Why is this even being discussed here, it is the wrong place and is only going to cause: a flame war, name calling, perhaps temporary bans, etc. Please take this to PM. And at least TRY to keep this thread on topic. PLEASE.

Edit: I'm saying this not to seem like some mega-dick, I just don't want the thread to be closed.

 

[Spagetti69]

Do people also turn their TV's off every 3-4 hours in case they burst into flames?

Good question.

I bet no when there watching something on TV.

Edit.

Sorry Drummer.

 

[SeaNorris]

How do you have a break if you play the game yourself for 24hours? If someone can do that then that is great for them but at the same time using a group of friends is like mirroring real life which is sensible! Also, ingame race saves were announced that they're being implemented, you don't HAVE to use them, the trophy for not using them should also be added at the same time.

Strictly speaking the PP system, leaderboards (still not yet implemented), ballast system, power limiters were NOT in the release game either, that doesn't make any of those things cheats or anything, even though it does mean you can now take cars that previously you wouldn't be able to into certain races.

If people want to keep the achievement of an endurance race intact, its as simple as introducing a trophy. Either give one out to everyone who has completed an endurance race before the saves are introduced (though this would mean people who paused and went to bed would get it, still they didn't use saves so I suppose it would work out) and then anyone who DOES NOT use save feature after its introduced can also get the trophy. It can't be that hard to implement. That way the achievement is kept so to speak and people can still get 100% using the save feature. It works out for both sides then.

I still personally think 24 hours infront of a game is just too much, I know I couldn't do it so I welcome the save feature. I still think it can be worked out for both sides. Who cares what way you did it? Those who did it for the full 24hours get a trophy stating this, those who don't wouldn't. That is how I would do it anyway.

Finally, I do not want to leave my PS3 on for 24 hours not for the risk of failure but for the fact I have to pay bills and also my room gets stuffy as it is without leaving the PS3 on. Factor in room sharing therefore making it impossible to leave anything on for 24 hours I simply could not complete an endurance race like that. For what its worth I've never left my TV on for 24 hours straight either, so there we go. For what its worth my PS3 is on for no longer than 6 hours any day, same for the TV. That's just how I have always been when it comes to things like that.

Edit: If the save is a "cheat", so is the pause feature. It should be removed for ultimate realism in all races, afterall if you must apply this realism to endurance races then you must apply it to all races.

 

[JDMKING13]

Have you moaned at Kaz for cheating us all then?

Day/night cycle in a lap of Nurb.

You can adjust it anyway you want, and if you talking about arcade mode what do you expect. Maybe with 2.0 we can adjust the time frame. 👍

 

[DaveS1138]

Dave, may I ask how you go about your 24hr enduros without pausing?
If you have mates taking shifts, cool.
But what about those that can't? What would you suggest for them apart don't do it if you're not going to do it my way?

I would say if you want to race for 24 hours straight then go for it......not something that I would want to put myself through but if you want to give it a go more power to you.

If you dont want to race for 24 hours straight but have a group of friends that want to give it a go with you then great.....make a party out of it. It sounds like a great thing for a group of friends to do over a weekend.

If you don't want to race for 24 hours straight and dont have a group of friends willing to race it with you then why the hell would you want to run a 24 hour race? If you only want to race for an hour then do a race that only lasts an hour.......why would you want to enter a 24 hour race if the one thing you absolutely dont want to do is race for 24 hours?

 

[Ya Pops]

So basically, don't do it if you're not going to do it my way.

Okey dokes.

 

[another_jakhole]

It's like asking, why do people try to get any kind of Trophies?

I don't care about Trophies, but I understand that others do.

 

[papaspurs]

For the hard of understanding, this thread is not about pausing 24hr enduros. Kaz said t will be in this update a long time ago. Why can't you see that your inconsiderate, selfish derailing of this thread means that people who want to discuss the topic, can not?

Good job I'm not in charge of the banhammer

 

[omgitsbees]

means that people who want to discuss the topic, can not?

Multiple discussions can happen at once.

 

[GTShadowKing]

Is Dave still talking? Lol

 

[drivingmeinsane]

a big 👎

Please stop the fighting though. It's useless at this point when we start getting NAAASTeh.

You obviously missed the smiley faces at the bottom of the post. See>>> nothing "NAAASTeh" (dunno what that's supposed to mean) in a smiley face

A right????? A right to play a 24 hour endurance race when you only want to race for 1 hour.

Is there a GT bill of rights or a gamers bill of rights I wasn't aware of that grants you a right to have games changed so that you can complete parts of the game that you cant complete.....

A right....... yeah OK.


How it effects us has been gone over several times. It destroys the acheivment of people who do run the endurance races when anybody can run them 1 hour at a time.

If I run a mile a night for 27 nights and then demand the London marathon people gave me a medal for running a marathon they would (quite rightly) point out to me that I have not run a marathon........I have only run 27 1 mile runs.

If you play GT5 for 1 hour a night for 24 nights you have not run a 24 hour race......you have run 24 1 hour races.

There is little enough achievment possible in GT5 and yet you want to remove what little there is so you can enter a 24 hour race when the one thing you are absolutely adament about is they you dont want to race for 24 hours.

If you want to race for an hour.......enter a 1 hour race.

If you want to race for 4 hours......enter a 4 hour race.

If you absolutely under no circumstances want to race for 24 hours then why on Earth do you want to enter a 24 hour race.

Really guys, it's not rocket science.



I really have to laugh at the people who keep claiming their PS3's will explode if left on for more than a few hours at a time though........that's just.......wow......





No the real racers do it properly......they put together a team of 3-4 people to take part in the 24 hour race. They understand that they cannot race for 24 hours themselves so they do not try to.

What they absolutely dont do is race for 1 hour then stop and go home.......come back the next day and race for another hour and then go home.....do that for 24 days straight and then claim they have run a 24 hour race.

I mean.......that would just be silly......wouldn't it?

WTF has the London marathon got to do with the price of rice?


In short you want to force your gaming practices on me and everyone else like me?

As if it hasn't been said enough times already...and what if i don't have 24 hours to sit in front of the TV as i and others said on multiple occasions, you telling me i should be denied to all parts of the game and not be allowed to complete the ingame content because of my life style and your lack of a life?

 

[Nismo34]

I hope that once all of us immature people arguing over a GAME (Yes I know, the concept may be hard to understand for some, its ok.) realise we are arguing over a GAME (Dont worry, you'll get used to the concept) and get back to the topic at hand with information and not a whinge sesh. If you want a whinge sesh move to one of the already made Wishlist threads and argue there.


Note: Yes, I am infact also calling my self immature aswell as the rest of you arguing over a GAME (See, your getting used to it, arent you?). Just thought Id clear that up.

 

[thesrdic]

All I want....

New Race Mod cars:
Aston Martin DB9 ----> DBR9 GT1
Ferrari F430 ----> F430 GT2
Ferrari F458 ----> F458 GTE
Ferrari F40 ----> F40 GTE
McLaren F1 ----> '95/96 style F1 GTR
Lotus Esprit ----> '96 V8 GT1
Lamborghini Murcielago SV ----> R-SV GT1
Lamborghini Gallardo ----> LP600 GT3
Jaguar XKR ----> XKRR GTE
BMW M3 ----> M3 GTE
Audi R8 5.2 ----> R8 LMS
McLaren MP4-12C ----> MP4-12C GT3
Ford GT ----> Matech GT GT1
Mercedes Benz SLS AMG ----> SLS GT3
Nissan GTR R35 ----> GTR GT1

Tracks:
Bathurst
Spa

If Spec 2 just covers the above and includes features already asked for (livery editor, improvement of features, mid race saves, etc) then I'll be happy.

Supposedly GT1 & GT3 champs. were in development before GT5 came out but had to be dropped 'cos sony wanted to rush everything, which is why shift 2 got to pick up the pieces, hopefully we'll see them coming to GT after all Would love some more prototypes as well, the DBR1-2 would be epic, as well as some newer super gt (HSV!)

 

[Sphinx]

As if it hasn't been said enough times already...and what if i don't have 24 hours to sit in front of the TV as i and others said on multiple occasions, you telling me i should be denied to all parts of the game and not be allowed to complete the ingame content because of my life style and your lack of a life?

If you really wish to discuss this then quit the personal insults.

 

[FuSiioN_HaVoC]

How is the logic flawed? I agree that you shouldn't pause the game for 24 hour endurance races. If you do you have not run a 24 hour race.

I think the extra trophy for people who do endurance races without pauses is a great idea. It solves the problem from both sides. People who race it over 24 hours get the extra achievment associated with that and people who cheat don't.

but people do not want to race the 24 hour races within the boundaries of the game.....they want the game changed so that they can race the 24 hour races in a way that the boundaries of the game do not allow.
More over they want to remove the achievment of people who do want to race an actual 24 hour race so that they can do it.

Another funny thing to me is why do they want to do this?

I have touched on before WHY do people want to race a 24 hour race when the one thing they absolutely dont want to do is race for 24 hours?

The answer is always......so I can finish the game 100%.....so I can platinum the game....etc....what is that other than looking for an achievment from the game. Something that they want to remove from others.

As to decreasing the risk of PS3 failure.......seriously the 360 has so much to answer for this generation in making people afraid to leave anything on for more than a few hours.....My PS3 hasn't been switched off in years......amazingly it hasn't exploded or burnt the house down.

Early 360's were prone to overheating and failure.....they were badly designed....that doesn't mean that every other peice of ellectronics you own will also explode if you leave it turned on.

Do people also turn their TV's off every 3-4 hours in case they burst into flames?

It's very hard for anybody with a knowledge of ellectronics to take the pro endurance save people seriously when they keep going back to the red herring of console failure.

See above......people want the achievment of finishing their game 100%......but these same people laugh at anybody who wants to keep the achievment of an endurance race intact.

Where did I ever say I want people to complete 24 hours without a break?

Personally I think the only way to run the 24 hour races is with a group of friends taking shifts.

Yes I know alot of people dont have a group of friends they can call on to do that......but then why are they so adament that they want to run a 24 hour race by themselves.......oh right.....so they can have the achievment of finishing a game 100%.

Because were not sad and some people don't have the time because of work or school some don't have friends to do it with and besides you would want food so you would have pause anyway and what about the toilet.
Why don't you shut up keep your opinion to yourself because no one cares about you moaning at us for pausing you wouldn't like it if we started moaning at you.

 

[Sphinx]

Why don't you shut up keep your opinion to yourself because no one cares about you moaning at us for pausing you wouldn't like it if we started moaning at you.

If you wish to discuss this then quit the personal insults.

 

[omgitsbees]

For those that keep asking for Bathurst; EA owns the license to use that track, and I doubt they will ever share it. The iRacing developers tried getting the license to use the track, and the owners told them to talk to EA, who denied them.

 

[Ya Pops]

For the hard of understanding, this thread is not about pausing 24hr enduros. Kaz said t will be in this update a long time ago. Why can't you see that your inconsiderate, selfish derailing of this thread means that people who want to discuss the topic, can not?

Good job I'm not in charge of the banhammer

There's nothing to discuss, unless you have some extra news for us.

The only news in this thread is contained within the title.

 

[Crumpet]

For those that keep asking for Bathurst; EA owns the license to use that track, and I doubt they will ever share it. The iRacing developers tried getting the license to use the track, and the owners told them to talk to EA, who denied them.

EA will stop at nothing to get an edge on other games by attempting to up the dying NFS series..

 

[papaspurs]

There's nothing to discuss, unless you have some extra news for us.

The only news in this thread is contained within the title.

A valid point :tup:But no excuse

What about discussing the things which have been hinted at over the past year ago and collating those for people who may have missed them?

For my money, enduro pausing is deffo in as from memory, Kaz has stated this is coming.

 

[ParkourVeyron]

How is the logic flawed? I agree that you shouldn't pause the game for 24 hour endurance races. If you do you have not run a 24 hour race.

Dude, you do recognize that most of us have lives, or we just can't sit there for 24 hours in front of a screen? Does anyone ever hear the stories of people doing marathon sessions for two days in their living room, (on other games of course) and then when they finally stand up they die instantly because they have a blood clot or something? Thats why they give us warnings to take a break. And also, real endurance drivers don't actually race for 24 hours, teams always have at least two drivers to take shifts. 24 hours with no bathroom breaks? Are you serious? I don't even think thats physically possible. Sorry sir, but to me it seems that your logic is flawed. I'm not saying they should scrap the endurance races all together, but give other people a chance to actually complete them. Endurance saves all the way!!!

I know I sound like a jerk, but name ONE other game that requires you to play for 24+ hours just to get one step closer to Platinum?

 

[DaveS1138]

So basically, don't do it if you're not going to do it my way.

Okey dokes.

NO. Don't do it if you dont want to do it.

If you dont want to race for 24 hours then dont enter a 24 hour race.

as for doing it my way......I gave two different examples of ways to do it......how is that me saying you have to do it my way?

Why don't you shut up keep your opinion to yourself because no one cares about you moaning at us for pausing you wouldn't like it if we started moaning at you.

Apparently you cared enough to reply. If you dont care about my post them simply ignore it and move on.......see how easy that is?

As for people keeping their opinions to themselves........this is a public forum.....anybody is free to express their opinion on a subject.

 

[omgitsbees]

EA will stop at nothing to get an edge on other games by attempting to up the dying NFS series..

Between that, and denying Turn-10, Porsche for FM4, I think you're right. NFS:The Run doesn't look good at all, but it has the new Porsche 911. :/

 

[Nismo34]

NO. Don't do it if you dont want to do it.

If you dont want to race for 24 hours dont enter a 24 hour race.

as for doing it my way......I gave two different examples of ways to do it......how is that me saying you have to do it my way?

Well your way is doing it in one stint. Your way is NOT pausing/saving. therefore its either your way or no way. 'Nuff Said?

Edit: Cant beat 'em might as well join 'em ....

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

I'd be satisfied with more A-spec events, and only A-spec, also being able to save during endurance races. Everything else will be a surprise to me, just like on christmas.

I really do wonder what PD has been up to.

I have never understood the desire for more A-spec events from this community.

It's offline, it's against sub-par AI, and the only challenge is one which you have to artificially create yourself (use a lower-power car than AI) or is artificially created by the game designers (cars start the race spaced out by a large margin).

Playing GT offline as the designers intended (upgrading your car incrementally, entering A-spec events with a higher-power car than your opponents) is a grind-fest for arbitrary event trophies and nothing more. In every dream feature list that mentions more A-spec events, I just ask myself, "With this AI system, whyyyy?"

Now if we could get some new structured online events and leaderboards...that is something I could go for.

 

[omgitsbees]

I have never understood the desire for more A-spec events from this community.

It's offline, it's against sub-par AI, and the only challenge is one which you have to artificially create yourself (use a lower-power car than AI) or is artificially created by the game designers (cars start the race spaced out by a large margin).

Playing GT offline as the designers intended (upgrading your car incrementally, entering A-spec events with a higher-power car than your opponents) is a grind-fest for arbitrary event trophies and nothing more.

If PD can make it so there are limitations to what cars you take onto the track, and the A.I. goes in with cars with similar power to you, and fixes the A.I. issues, then A-Spec can be pretty enjoyable. Other sims have been doing real good A.I. for a while now, and have some pretty intense and fun career modes. It's only GT5 that has lagged way behind.

 

[another_jakhole]

as for doing it my way......I gave two different examples of ways to do it......how is that me saying you have to do it my way?

It's because many people don't have any other way. If they don't have any other way, why are those people dismissed as unimportant supporters of PD? We all want something, so why shouldn't one of the most asked for features be added?