GT7 B-Spec Thread

[Voodoovaj]

As an aside, I hope there's an update soon that let's us change the driver suit and helmet of our AI opponents

ABSOLUTELY!!! I already have the names changed.

They should also increase the damage effect, especially engine damage. "Bad" drivers should abuse the cars.

 

[Chuk713]

This is the discussion thread for an article on GTPlanet:

Why Gran Turismo 7 Doesn’t Have B-Spec Mode (Yet)​

Since the Gran Turismo 7 Power Pack DLC re-introduced endurance races to the franchise, speculation about the possible return of “B-Spec” mode has reached a fever pitch. We had a chance to ask Kazunori Yamauchi about it during a round-table interview at the Gran Turismo World Finals here in Fukuoka, Japan, and his answer turned out to be quite interesting...

So, what you are saying is that AI will not take orders from humans? 🤔

 

[o000o]

“I can’t say that it’s impossible, but there are a few hurdles involved in that,” Yamauchi explained. “In terms of controllability, the Sophy AI is a lot more difficult to work with. If you do B-Spec, obviously you want to direct the driver. That’s why it’s a difficult time to do [it] with the neural network.”

Oh for the love of all that is holy, WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO DO?????? This is the worst possible direction for B Spec. The GT5 B-Spec was heading in the right direction.

B-Spec should lean into Sophy's learning. Give the player to tools/gameplay to train up Sophy drivers and create a team of Sophy's. Train up a team, like a bunch of Tamagotchi, and then let them loose with some vague orders. B-Spec should be more passive than active. Metal Gear 5 is a great example. You assemble an army, and manage the staff, but the army fights without you being present. You just send them into battle. It's a great meta game.

B-Spec should be 100% emergent gameplay, not directed game play. I don't want to be staying awake 14 hours into a 24 hour race to tell my Sophy driver to speed up or slow down!! I want them to know what to do! I want to build talent. I want to manage a team. Who wants to micromanage drivers? Then you'd just drive for yourself.

I'd give my left 🥜 to be given the opportunity to go direct this for them.

Does directing mean always staying awake? I mean technically GT4 and IIRC GT6 has you directing the player, like just choosing which pace the B-Spec driver drives, leaving it like at 3 (Medium) then just leave the game to finish the job. It's still not just having the AI race and have you watch, games like GT4 also has options to direct the B-Spec driver to go to pit or overtake.

For using Sophy, it's about making them more capable in racing, as the B-Spec AI previously was the same crap AI used for chase the rabbit format.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Does directing mean always staying awake? I mean technically GT4 and IIRC GT6 has you directing the player, like just choosing which pace the B-Spec driver drives, leaving it like at 3 (Medium) then just leave the game to finish the job. It's still not just having the AI race and have you watch, games like GT4 also has options to direct the B-Spec driver to go to pit or overtake.

The last implementation meant CONSTANTLY directing the driver. If you didn't, they would crawl around the track, so the player was best served by giving them a car that was significantly faster than the other, so you didn't have to babysit the AI.

PD has a philosophy of iterating on their features rather than starting over. With B-Spec, they need to go back to the GT5 direction and get away from directing the AI.

For using Sophy, it's about making them more capable in racing, as the B-Spec AI previously was the same crap AI used for chase the rabbit format.

I wish people would stop conflating different topics.

The "chase the rabbit" is an intentional design choice separate from the function of the AI. All the AI does it make it's way around the track and try to avoid colliding with other cars. Beyond that, it's an intentional design choice from PD. Even the base AI is capable of driving faster than the player, but the base game is not set up to showcase that. In the same way that the Power Pack does not showcase Sophy properly.

I've posted numerous video of exactly how capable Sophy can be when it's allowed to race. It's unfortunate that they have chosen to (quite literally) hide this in the custom race feature.