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GrumpyOldMan
Brake Balance on the Veyron at Deep Forest? Thoughts? And if it's already been talked about, sorry, I missed it.
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For 4wd cars it’s usually advised to use +3-5 to help with rotation in the corners. I don’t always follow this advice because ones driving style can make more of a difference. For me anyway. 🍻
 
Yes, it's great to have everyone back in the club!
 
Leon Kowalski
So, here's my question: Do I lose SR nowadays when I slow down to let the other drivers pass?
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Last week, I did that for 8 races in a row (I was way down in SR B, and I was fed up with the non-S lobbies). I never lost SR. A couple of races I didn't get a CRB, because I drifted into the grass or dirt, but it only meant my SR improved by a smaller amount.

Did the finish lobby show your SR with a down arrow?
 
GrumpyOldMan
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That's just silly. Where else would I be going? Of course I was headed for the apex. I wasn't taking the optimal line, because I was inside, but the apex was certainly something I indented on passing as close to as possible.

I get the other things you said, and they're valid whether I agree with them or not. But your statement, which I quoted above, makes no sense at all.

Again, I'm not necessarily saying that what I did was right, but let's stick to things that make sense.
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Grumpy, I like reading your posts on here and I like your willingness to engage in constructive discussion so keep that in mind here.

There is no way you’re heading for the apex to that corner. You are approximately 5 yards from needing to turn 135 degrees. You’re still fully on the brakes at 50mph. Your car is not going to start turning until you’re off the brakes. You could hit the kerb from there, but not at the apex, and definitely not pointing at the exit.

I’m not saying you’re not trying to hit the apex, just that you can’t from there.
 
ILLEAGLE_34
For 4wd cars it’s usually advised to use +3-5 to help with rotation in the corners. I don’t always follow this advice because ones driving style can make more of a difference. For me anyway. 🍻
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I struggle with the 'standards' for settings, too. +3 to 5 feels way too aggressive, but that's just my preference. I'm not an A+/DR S driver, either, so maybe 💩-cans like me need to stay within our bounds.🤣

@GrumpyOldMan I usually don't move the needle much on the Veyron, but I do go from -1, 0 or +1 depending on track. With my haphazard, hammer-like approach to brake and throttle inputs, running it -1 seems to get the front-end to really dig-in. That includes copious amounts of trail-braking, too.

Also worth reiterating my previous call-out, though...I'm not an A+ driver. Kinda clueless, really.😁

:cheers:
 
GrumpyOldMan
Last week, I did that for 8 races in a row (I was way down in SR B, and I was fed up with the non-S lobbies). I never lost SR. A couple of races I didn't get a CRB, because I drifted into the grass or dirt, but it only meant my SR improved by a smaller amount.

Did the finish lobby show your SR with a down arrow?
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Yes it did. No idea why.
 
@sturk0167 dude! 13th in the world. Well done.
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I completed my obligations to the government and got some qt and one race tonight. I started well down in the pecking order so I’ve got to improve my time. Not sure the Lancer is a good car here. It can keep up but I couldn’t find a way to pass the Veyron in front of me. Then after 3 laps, this happened.

GT7 | DR B 24-15 | I get shown the barrier and karma pays back


I’m not sure this chap deserved this watching the replay but at the time it felt like karma.

Ironically, I got a clean race bonus in this race (it was not me dishing the vengeance).
 
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If you went down in positions then you lose SR

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No you don't lol! Sorry 🤣 Early morning reply so mistakes were made! DR is lost not SR. Weird you lost sportsmanship rating with zero contact, maybe you drove the wrong way?! 🤣
 
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SR is going down so easily in this weeks B race, incredible. I just achieved the A/S status, went from B/S in my first race last night. And I was the full S all the time (without the bar below), and in only 2 races in A/S lobby my SR went down to A, even though I didn't hit anyone, didn't recieve any penalties, but I was in couple of sandwiches in the second sector, impossible to not touch anyone, if you are carefull not to hit the guy in front, the guy behind rear ends you either way. It's a short race and everyone is pushing beyond the limit all the time, divebombing in the last 180 corner from a mile away.
 
Vule
SR is going down so easily in this weeks B race, incredible. I just achieved the A/S status, went from B/S in my first race last night. And I was the full S all the time (without the bar below), and in only 2 races in A/S lobby my SR went down to A, even though I didn't hit anyone, didn't recieve any penalties, but I was in couple of sandwiches in the second sector, impossible to not touch anyone, if you are carefull not to hit the guy in front, the guy behind rear ends you either way. It's a short race and everyone is pushing beyond the limit all the time, divebombing in the last 180 corner from a mile away.
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And I did even less. No contact whatsoever with any car. Drove behind the field for the whole race and passed only two drivers, one who was off track and one who was ghosted after serving a penalty. And I kept my distance to both of them. And my SR went down. Weird.
 
I actually gained positions in each race I drove, started in average on P5-P6, finished in P2-P3 usually, DR goes up every race, SR goes down... But there was so much bumping and pushing after turn one until the back straight, so you have only two choices - lose like 5 places per lap and avoid everyone, or lose SR because you lose CRB if you try to fight cleanly.
 
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TheNormsk
@sturk0167 dude! 13th in the world. Well done.
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I completed my obligations to the government and got some qt and one race tonight. I started well down in the pecking order so I’ve got to improve my time. Not sure the Lancer is a good car here. It can keep up but I couldn’t find a way to pass the Veyron in front of me. Then after 3 laps, this happened.

GT7 | DR B 24-15 | I get shown the barrier and karma pays back


I’m not sure this chap deserved this watching the replay but at the time it felt like karma.

Ironically, I got a clean race bonus in this race (it was not me dishing the vengeance).
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I saw his superb time, I don't know what method he used but it must have been insane, close to the aliens. Did ET give him powers, xP.
 
D_Dragline
Grumpy, I like reading your posts on here and I like your willingness to engage in constructive discussion so keep that in mind here.
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Thnks. That's the kind of thing that makes it easy to take criticism, since we haven't had a lot of discussions previously. It's really good ro know where you're coming from.
D_Dragline
There is no way you’re heading for the apex to that corner. You are approximately 5 yards from needing to turn 135 degrees. You’re still fully on the brakes at 50mph. Your car is not going to start turning until you’re off the brakes. You could hit the kerb from there, but not at the apex, and definitely not pointing at the exit.
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OK, then I guess I don't understand what it means by "hitting the apex". I believe - and for the sake of this discussion let's pretend this is true even if it isn't - I believe I could have hugged the corner well enough to stay on, or right near the kerb through the entire corner. In doing so, I would come right next to the apex.

Wouldn't I then, in fact, hit the apex? Not on the best line, of course, but I'd still hit it (again, assuming I wasn't going too fast). Or does the term "hitting the apex" mean something other than actually going next to the apex?
mellofello9
@GrumpyOldMan I usually don't move the needle much on the Veyron, but I do go from -1, 0 or +1 depending on track. With my haphazard, hammer-like approach to brake and throttle inputs, running it -1 seems to get the front-end to really dig-in. That includes copious amounts of trail-braking, too.
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Thanks for the response. A couple of weeks ago, when we did Grand Valley, -2 or -3 worked well for me - it kept the cars I used from sliding as I braked into certain corners. This was the first time I could actually see the effect of changing BB.

This week, in the Veyron at Deep Forest, +5 seems to make a positive difference, especially at the final hairpin. I'll admit I haven't been able to match my fastest lap, so maybe I'm wrong about it helping. I should probably try it with the BB I used in my fastest lap, which I think was +2, but it also could have been -2 because I tried that also. I'll report back in a few.

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Well, I set BB to 0, and came really close to my best time. Then I set it to -2, and I'm still close.

But I'm also still learning things about the track, so it may have nothing to do with BB.

Changing BB kind-of reminds me of the knob we used to have on the mixing board at church. When the pastor came back and said the music didn't sound right, we let him change that knob until he was satisfied, and it always worked. BTW, that knob didn't do anything. :)

[Disclosure: That didn't really happen at my church - it's a possibly apocryphal story I heard a long time ago, but it works best when told from the first person.]
 
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TechnoIsLove
If you went down in positions then you lose SR

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No you don't lol! Sorry 🤣 Early morning reply so mistakes were made! DR is lost not SR. Weird you lost sportsmanship rating with zero contact, maybe you drove the wrong way?! 🤣
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Yup, I drove the reverse layout.. 😜

But seriously, I've got no idea.

BTW to my knowledge DR goes up or down in relation to which position you finish a race, and what the opponents ratings are, regardless of losing or winning positions during the race. Right or wrong?
 
Have they changed the penalty system recently? I posted this Monday night after a few questionable penalties

Finch2090
Jumped onto my second account after a week off to get myself acclimated again, did a few Daily Race B’s at Deep Forest and the only thing I have to say is PD come outside I just want to have a chat 😂

I don’t normally give out about penalties as it’s hard coded into the game where certain conditions are met it’s a penalty. Therefore, without any arbitrary system in place, this unequivocally fair

First one:


For some reason the driver behind was flashing his lights, probably from an earlier tangle on opening lap so I was expecting something and he drove right through the back of me intentionally… I held my brakes until I was beyond track limits when I realised I was going to hit the wall, might aswell speed up the process and let go of my brakes before I hit it. An intentional hit and hitting the wall with or without brakes and I received a penalty for it. Race ruined.

Second one:


Received a 3 second penalty for minor contact which resulted in no damage and no cars were really affected by

I normally take a wide line through here because I don’t think a lot of players know the track limits are beyonds the curb on this turn so I was having a lot of success getting a good exit via this line

However, with the two cars going off ahead, I tried to avoid them by swinging to the inside and barely grazing the car as I was being bumped constantly from behind

No idea how this was a penalty for me, as

1. I didn’t put any cars off or even remotely hit them hard enough

2. Neither car ahead got penalties for wall contact even though they caused the collision

3. I was kind of a passenger being squeezed through the tight inside line as the car behind me was using me as his brakes constantly and kept pushing me through the corner

4. If anyone deserved a penalty in this incident, it was both the cars ahead and the car behind me as I was the only one who tried to avoid contact and the only one that didn’t go beyond track limits or touch a wall..

Honestly baffled by these lol. Especially the second incident

Edit: Apart from that had some good races from the back of the grid! Began in the Ferrari which just didn’t have enough speed then decided to jump in the Veyron. First time I ever used the Veyron, and honestly I was not expecting it to have such great handling. Immediately my times were a full second quicker per lap than the Ferrari and had a few runner ups
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Last night I did one race on Route X when the first banked corner a Nissan GTR riding lower on the bank slipped and hit into the side of me but we both maintained speed and neither of us crashed out so we continued driving with no issue, until 5 seconds later I was hit a 2 second penalty for absolutely no reason so I quit the race and quit GT for the night

Today I had one race on Deep Forest Raceway where I got bumped off into the wall at good force by a driver behind me trying to squeeze up my inside into the middle sector. I took damage off the wall but he didn’t receive a single penalty for it

Two laps later with into turn 1 on lap 5 I made a late move up the inside into turn 1, we made a bit of side on side contact but no damage to either car and neither car lost control or went close to track limits and again I was hit with a flat 2 second penalty 5 seconds later for a move that goes completely unpunished on me every week?

I don’t really understand… into the hairpin on the final lap too some car careened through, hitting my tire and another car but flew into the wall without affecting our races.. he didn’t receive a single penalty for wall contact despite hitting it on his accord at 50mph..

Can someone explain if they understand this? I know full well when I deserve a penalty and when I don’t and atm I feel like the past 4 penalties I’ve received have been just incorrect

Sorry for ranting, but I’ve received two penalties this week for cars moving into me, one for hitting the wall after another car intentionally crashed into me and one for making run of the mill side to side contact

It’s really after annoying me this week I have to admit
 
GrumpyOldMan
Thnks. That's the kind of thing that makes it easy to take criticism, since we haven't had a lot of discussions previously. It's really good ro know where you're coming from.

OK, then I guess I don't understand what it means by "hitting the apex". I believe - and for the sake of this discussion let's pretend this is true even if it isn't - I believe I could have hugged the corner well enough to stay on, or right near the kerb through the entire corner. In doing so, I would come right next to the apex.

Wouldn't I then, in fact, hit the apex? Not on the best line, of course, but I'd still hit it (again, assuming I wasn't going too fast). Or does the term "hitting the apex" mean something other than actually going next to the apex?
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I don’t think it’s a difference in what we think it means to hit the apex. I generally think that means being at the optimal point on the inside of the corner to maximize exit speed. It requires placing the car at the right place AND having it pointing in the right direction. On that turn, the apex is about where the Ferrari is pointed (actually I’d usually try and hit a later apex than he is).

I think it’s just a difference in where I think your trajectory is taking you versus where you think it’s going.

It’s NBD and we can agree to disagree. I’d love to see you make the apex from that spot at that speed though to see how you do it.
 
Leon Kowalski
Yup, I drove the reverse layout.. 😜

But seriously, I've got no idea.

BTW to my knowledge DR goes up or down in relation to which position you finish a race, and what the opponents ratings are, regardless of losing or winning positions during the race. Right or wrong?
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This is correct. Famine will be proud. 😁

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Also wanted to ask if you picked-up any penalties during the race you lost SR on? I think I've seen penalties impact SR but it almost seems track dependent. Open to guidance on this one. 👍
 
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Leon Kowalski
BTW to my knowledge DR goes up or down in relation to which position you finish a race, and what the opponents ratings are, regardless of losing or winning positions during the race. Right or wrong?
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Correct. A few weeks back we had another of those threads talking about it, so I can confidently say that you're right.
D_Dragline
It’s NBD and we can agree to disagree.
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Yes it's NBD, but I want to be using terms correctly.
D_Dragline
I’d love to see you make the apex from that spot at that speed though to see how you do it.
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So would I! It would answer some questions for me, for sure. But it doesn't really matter.
 
Finch2090
Have they changed the penalty system recently? I posted this Monday night after a few questionable penalties


Last night I did one race on Route X when the first banked corner a Nissan GTR riding lower on the bank slipped and hit into the side of me but we both maintained speed and neither of us crashed out so we continued driving with no issue, until 5 seconds later I was hit a 2 second penalty for absolutely no reason so I quit the race and quit GT for the night
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I got a mystery 5 second penalty last night in Race A. I didn’t touch the guy in front of me and he tagged the wall. I got 5 seconds for simply being the guy behind him.
 
mellofello9
This is correct. Famine will be proud. 😁

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Also wanted to ask if you picked-up any penalties during the race you lost SR on? I think I've seen penalties impact SR but it almost seems track dependent. Open to guidance on this one. 👍
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Nothing at all. No penalties, no contact with barriers or other cars.
 
regarding penalties and SR - I have a theory, I think I've read here some time ago that there are 'invisible' track limits that don't trigger a penalty but can still erode SR. So if you are pushing hard and abusing track limits you might be losing SR? Any one know more about this or am I dreaming this morning?

It doesn't happen a lot to me but every now and then, I too, see a drop in SR with no obvious explanation.
 
TheNormsk
@sturk0167 dude! 13th in the world. Well done.
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Thank you, sir.
I got myself up to #4 now. 👍

I have a certain methodology for getting a good Q time at that track.
It takes a long time, though, and I realize that not many people care enough their starting position at that race to invest hours in qualifying.
I do it just to see how high I can get on the list.

That's not even the account I'll use to race with. I'll be starting at the back.
Not sure which car will be best for the race.
 
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I'm enjoying Fuji now, never really liked it before, but these Group 2 cars are pretty good around there. Nice to have a good view of Mount Fuji, just don't let the view distract you, especially on a full moon.
 
Would love to drive B without getting brained by a Veyron at the hairpin but hey ho.
 
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