GT7 Online Time Trial/Lap Time Challenge Discussion

[manou]

Once you "relearn" how to drive with the kart, it is really fun !

 

[artanonim1]

Mangusta sub-1000 rank quest is going along on target - had another go at it today, and after taking the time to relearn how to convince this thing to slow down or change direction, pulled a really clean run through the first two chicanes that was enough for a sub 2:06 laptime. That’s despite the rest of the lap going mediocre at best - but as a sub-700 ranking would be a PB by a long shot, I’m happy to leave it as it is.

Have to revisit the Kart TT as well as it taunts me with a 1108th at the moment, but as with this one I feel the gains will be much lower and require some heavier grinding, I’ll wait until it is closer to completion to have a better idea on the exact laptime to hit in case I end up only being able to scrape into the top thousand by hundredths if not less.

And for the Laguna Seca which I have not tried yet - reading what you all have to say about it makes me feel I’ve jumped enough sausages lately between Monza and CGV, so might either skip it in the end, or just go for quick and simple credits to be banked for Silver (famous last words). Will see how I feel later in the week, but might not approach it as competitively.

 

[ZevZoq]

Friggin Mangusta! I went in for another go this evening but after about 6 laps where the car slid off a different corner each time I had to shut it down because I wanted to throw the console out the window!

 

[MP81]

Friggin Mangusta! I went in for another go this evening but after about 6 laps where the car slid off a different corner each time I had to shut it down because I wanted to throw the console out the window!

I had a similarly terrible time with it tonight. The best I could do was barely within a tenth of my best lap...so not even faster.

I don't have a goddamn clue what everyone else is doing, but that thing was not doing anything useful tonight, besides whatever it felt like doing (you know, going in completely opposite directions than I was steering).

Absolute waste of two hours of my night, and probably pissing my wife off with all my yelling because holy what the **** is this garbage. It literally felt vindictive - any time I'd be on track to maybe beat my lap time, the car would behave totally different at the next turn and absolutely blow the lap. My optimal was near a 2:05 flat, but apparently achieving that on one lap was expressly verboten.

 

[crome]

My relationship with the Mangusta started badly as well, but I have to say it grew on me over time. It‘s one of those that keep revealing themselves bit by bit so you‘re always feeling a little progress. Well that‘s how I felt at least.

Serious tip for those on wheels that allow some customizations: I had hit a brick wall around 2:05 flat. When I tried the Kart for the first time I adjusted the steering angle from AUTO to 720 degrees just so that I could have a minimum of control. Then when I went back to Monza I forgot to switch it back, and obviously for the Mangusta the effect is the opposite allowing for more turn-in with fewer inputs, which surprisingly helped greatly navigating the chicanes.

Sitting at 2:04.502 now which felt completely unrealistic when I first started.

Will probably largely ignore both the Kart and the Porsche although both seem fun, but we have a lot going on around the house currently.

Best of luck everyone!

 

[MP81]

So what does lowering the steering angle do? I've bumped my sensitivity back to 10 and torque down to 1, just to be able to try and manhandle that thing as best as I can. I believe I can adjust this in G Hub on my 923.

Oddly, my experience with it started off quite well...but last night really soured it.

 

[crome]

It maps the real steering angle of the vehicle to what you have to do on the wheel. When set to AUTO, it typically maps 1:1, i.e. if you turn the wheel 90° you see the virtual wheel being turned 90° as well. For the Mangusta AUTO probably is equivalent to 2160°. So if you manually set it to 720, every degree you turn the wheel results in three degrees on the vehicle's wheel. So you can change direction more quickly and with fewer inputs. For the Kart AUTO is probably just 180°, so 720 has the opposite effect, allowing for more fine-grained control. Hope this makes sense.

Edit: this is how it's implemented in Fanatec wheels, don't know how it works on the G923

 

[MP81]

I imagine it'll work similarly. I'll try that tonight and see if it helps.

That said, a few other issues I have are preventing further improvement:

1) In this first chicane, I regularly do not get enough rotation to go left without the car trying to randomly veer right, off the track. Sometimes, it'll also just...keep going right instead of left. I'm slowing down roughly at the end of the entry road on the left, which usually seems to be a good spot.

2) In general, it really just tries to go off the track in a direction opposite to how my tires are turned, like it has a mind of its own

3) The parabolica is really, really difficult to get the braking point/entry/turn-in right on. I'm braking at the 150 board, but it seems most consistent to brake just before it, but this is slower. I'll go down to 2nd gear to get more rotation - a gamble on if it is too much and just starts to slide or not - and then up to 3rd to start accelerating. The #1 ghost seems to brake just a tiny bit later, stay out wider and magically turns in just fine.

 

[crome]

I imagine it'll work similarly. I'll try that tonight and see if it helps.

That said, a few other issues I have are preventing further improvement:

1) In this first chicane, I regularly do not get enough rotation to go left without the car trying to randomly veer right, off the track. Sometimes, it'll also just...keep going right instead of left. I'm slowing down roughly at the end of the entry road on the left, which usually seems to be a good spot.

Do you use a custom livery by chance? I ask because I had that issue myself, it pops up from time to time, Tokyo was another recent example. Here's what's presumably happening: when the rims on the car are too wide, the front wheels will get stuck in the archs and won't turn when under load, i.e. when braking. You can tell if you have that issue when your steering wheel (the on-screen one) gets stuck as well, then suddenly janks into a new position when the load is gone. I selected a rental one and the problem was gone.

I am very aware of the possibility of placebo effect for all kinds of settings, but this is 100% a real issue.

 

[MP81]

Do you use a custom livery by chance? I ask because I had that issue myself, it pops up from time to time, Tokyo was another recent example. Here's what's presumably happening: when the rims on the car are too wide, the front wheels will get stuck in the archs and won't turn when under load, i.e. when braking. You can tell if you have that issue when your steering wheel (the on-screen one) gets stuck as well, then suddenly janks into a new position when the load is gone. I selected a rental one and the problem was gone.

I am very aware of the possibility of placebo effect for all kinds of settings, but this is 100% a real issue.

Oh, so that's what that is on a few of my personal cars.

As for the Mangusta, no, I'm just using a rental

 

[crome]

Oh, so that's what that is on a few of my personal cars.

As for the Mangusta, no, I'm just using a rental

Even if the wheels aren't stuck, it is still likely that the root cause is too much load on the front axle when you try to turn left. So just try to go off the brake a bit earlier and see if it makes a difference

 

[MP81]

Even if the wheels aren't stuck, it is still likely that the root cause is too much load on the front axle when you try to turn left. So just try to go off the brake a bit earlier and see if it makes a difference

That makes sense, especially since the suspension on this car appears to be made of various flavors of Jell-O.

Some laps I can get it turned in real well, and that's probably why.

Now, as to leaving corners and having it run entirely in an opposite direction of turning...probably just need to wait that little bit longer on rotation, as it seems Its Jigglyness lifts all weight off the front the second you even breathe on the throttle coming out of a corner, and not only does it just go straight, it goes the other direction.

 

[Lightsider74]

I imagine it'll work similarly. I'll try that tonight and see if it helps.

It doesn't work with the g923 on GT7. You can certainly adjust degrees of rotation via G hub on pc but it doesn't transfer across to ps5. That's the sole reason I got rid of the Logitech and got the GT DD Pro. The g923 is a fine wheel otherwise.

I use 360° in the Mangusta btw.

Edit. It hasn't really made me any faster overall I just prefer not having to turn the wheel much

 

[PowerJunkie]

It maps the real steering angle of the vehicle to what you have to do on the wheel. When set to AUTO, it typically maps 1:1, i.e. if you turn the wheel 90° you see the virtual wheel being turned 90° as well. For the Mangusta AUTO probably is equivalent to 2160°. So if you manually set it to 720, every degree you turn the wheel results in three degrees on the vehicle's wheel. So you can change direction more quickly and with fewer inputs. For the Kart AUTO is probably just 180°, so 720 has the opposite effect, allowing for more fine-grained control. Hope this makes sense.

Edit: this is how it's implemented in Fanatec wheels, don't know how it works on the G923

Do you use a custom livery by chance? I ask because I had that issue myself, it pops up from time to time, Tokyo was another recent example. Here's what's presumably happening: when the rims on the car are too wide, the front wheels will get stuck in the archs and won't turn when under load, i.e. when braking. You can tell if you have that issue when your steering wheel (the on-screen one) gets stuck as well, then suddenly janks into a new position when the load is gone. I selected a rental one and the problem was gone.

I am very aware of the possibility of placebo effect for all kinds of settings, but this is 100% a real issue.

It doesn't work with the g923 on GT7. You can certainly adjust degrees of rotation via G hub on pc but it doesn't transfer across to ps5. That's the sole reason I got rid of the Logitech and got the GT DD Pro. The g923 is a fine wheel otherwise.

I use 360° in the Mangusta btw.

Edit. It hasn't really made me any faster overall I just prefer not having to turn the wheel much

I have the Logitech G-Pro wheel and pedal, you can go into G-Hub and set the steering angles, per profile. Then....in GT7 it has only changed the 'lock to lock' rotation. At least with my rudimentary testing. It does not change the ratio. What GT does, is it takes over the wheel and sets the rotation angle set for the car you are in, and this changes per car.
Here is a short, showing it happening while I was testing the RB x2019. This profile was set to 270 degrees for testing, once you start the TT/race it changes to the car specification angle, then when paused, it defaults it back to 1080. I have not figured out a work around, if one exists.



@crome As for the livery, oh yes, that is true and the Mangusta will do exactly what you describe.

 

[PowerJunkie]

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[Stormbreaker]

Finally i'm back in the top positions
I completely messed up the first chicane but the rest of the lap was really good 👌🏻
For sure i could go quicker but that's it for me 🏁

 

[LeandroSvSt]

These last weeks are busy in terms of Time Trials.

Now I concluded 3 last ones:

Mangusta in Monza - It`s tricky to get used to the handling of this car because it`s simillar to an old Porsche: you must control the sliding applying some throttle while cornering, and the brakes are week and not progressive. The 2nd chicane was the hardest part for me to do it clean, becasue if you break in 200 meters, the you must break 100% hard almost in the internal kerb, and when release to keep the traill breaking, it`s late. If you break just before 200, but not in the right spot, your lose the perfect apex. I have a tuned version of this car and it was one of the hardest to balance, because the standard car it`s already tricky

Kart in Eiger - I hate because isn`t natural for me to drive karts after thousand of hours driving cars with suspension. The most dificult part is get used to the lack of grip during a high speed corner as turn 0 and U turn before the hill climb. I needed to turn on the countersteerin assist to get this gold. With VR, it`s a great experience, so intense that even I already used to drive several hours with VR, after stop the TT I was a bit nauseous.

992 GT3 in Laguna Seca - Finally, after some difficult and not so fun TT, I enjoyed this combo becuase it`s perfect. This car with RS tyres is one of the best from GT7. Racing with VR in this track and car it`s one of the best too, and easy to find the apex in the curves with those big sausages. I`ll not spend more time with that because the alliens are here, and I think I got a good result from my lack of enough time to improve time.

 

[Barareklam]

@half_sourly one question but if it will take you more than 5 minutes of clicking then ignore my question.. How many people managed to get Alien status ? So all TTs together, first 100 positions, Unique PSN. (those who Placed top 100 more than once, should just count as 1 Alien ) ( wild guess 2500 people? am I near?) wonder what other people would guess?

 

[Lightsider74]

Spend 2 hours lapping and gained half a 10th. It's going to be close for the top 100!

2:04.926 which is 89th. 🙏🏼

 

[Wilsonson]

Finally conquered the sausage fest. Was stuck at 22.0 for a long time. Unless a sausage (usually) invalidated my lap I was consistently doing 22.0 to 22.4. Anything better seemed impossible. After easily 500 km altogether (a ton for me) it finally started to click. Especially the fast left dipper after the bridge. I always understeered off if I tried to match the ghost. I don't even know what I changed but at some point I only lost a bit of time rather than a ton when making it through.

One lap everything came together and I'm finally into gold. The aliens are fighting hard but improvements seem to be in the hundredths by now. Guess I'm safe.

 

[linksracer]

Looks like I'm on track for a new personal best ranking.

Didn't intend to put this much energy into this trial, but I saw an optimum of 2:04.2 while my best lap at the time was a 2:04.635, and I thought that was far too much time to leave on the table, so I continued on until eventually I found this lap.

Not necessarily an optimum lap, I recorded better sectors than each of these 3 individually, but put together it was clearly a decent lap. I did have to take 2 stabs at the throttle through Parabolica, which might've cost a tenth, but trying to put this lap together had already taken too much time too bother trying any further.

The Mangusta is a good example of what happens when your tyres are too sticky for your suspension. This car is clearly pretty soft in the suspension area, with all that body roll, so the semi-slick sports hards really exacerbated that issue. With that said, I can only imagine what the braking distances would've been like on comfort tyres.

Not sure that much time will be spent on the remaining 2 trials. I'm really not a fan of the kart, never been particularly quick with it, and the GT3R at Laguna will no doubt be attracting all of the higher life forms, so might just leave those 2 for safe golds.

 

[MP81]

I, too, made progress with this inconsistent pile of garbage, down to a 2:05.018...but of course the game further taunts me with an optimum of a 2:04.692. I had a good lap going that'd probably have been in the 2:04s, but the janky track limits at Ascari invalidated that, so...that's great.

I absolutely hate this car. Especially how it loves to continue turning in directions that I'm not going. It's like something is legitimately wrong with it.

 

[911RSR]

Morning guys,

it's already history, but i'd like to announce my first ever top 1000 finish (as far as i can remeber)

The current sausage TT is a kind of 'love and hate' thing for me. I love the car, the track is ok but I just can't seem to put together a decent lap. My best so far is this:

because of endless restarts it's difficult to say what my real optimal is, but i guess even a 1:20 might be possible. The best optimal I've seen was a 1:21,1.

BTW I've started the TT in my own car, but i switched to a rental one, just because they are faster!

 

[ElectricNaz]

BTW I've started the TT in my own car, but i switched to a rental one, just because they are faster!

This isn't true is it? I don't see how it could be.

I used to think this could be true for BOP events if you have worn parts on your garage car but apparently it's not according to the research others have done on Google - although personally I'm not convinced. Maybe that's a placebo effect where I've immediately gone a couple of tenths faster after changing oil but maybe changing oil in game also refreshes my brain juice in real life 🤣

 

[Barareklam]

This isn't true is it? I don't see how it could be.

I used to think this could be true for BOP events if you have worn parts on your garage car but apparently it's not according to the research others have done on Google - although personally I'm not convinced. Maybe that's a placebo effect where I've immediately gone a couple of tenths faster after changing oil but maybe changing oil in game also refreshes my brain juice in real life 🤣

There was glitch with rims and I don't know if PD fixed it, but if you put certain rims, think larger, they would actually slow you down, many of us confirmed, @Gomario JSP @NAXEHT ....

 

[Vule]

but if you put certain rims, think larger, they would actually slow you down

Just one example from the top of my head, RCR Civic at Tsukuba, if you put wider or bigger rims, you literally couldn't turn the car because of the wheel arch rubbing, and you were losing like a second per lap.

 

[half_sourly]

@half_sourly one question but if it will take you more than 5 minutes of clicking then ignore my question.. How many people managed to get Alien status ? So all TTs together, first 100 positions, Unique PSN. (those who Placed top 100 more than once, should just count as 1 Alien ) ( wild guess 2500 people? am I near?) wonder what other people would guess?

Not too far off. I get it as 3,797 unique Top 100s.

 

[NicoGmbh]

@MP81

Totally agree with what I just read.

Same problem with the TT137 with the Corolla Morizo in Lake Louise.

It was impossible for me to get in and out of the first hairpin properly from every point of view (traction, damping...).

Problem resolved late by renting an OEM Toy.

 

[doreamon]

This isn't true is it? I don't see how it could be.

I used to think this could be true for BOP events if you have worn parts on your garage car but apparently it's not according to the research others have done on Google - although personally I'm not convinced. Maybe that's a placebo effect where I've immediately gone a couple of tenths faster after changing oil but maybe changing oil in game also refreshes my brain juice in real life 🤣

Yes, that's true.

Even with BoP, a car's behavior can change, for better or worse.

Wheel size can affect how a car handles. Tsubasa already demonstrated this with his tests using different wheel sizes on the tuned Honda. The wheel brand can also affect the PP rating.

I also remember the Lake Louise event with the Corolla: installing a roll cage made the car less competitive. But the opposite can be true as well.

More recently, at the Nürburgring with the old Porsche, adding a roll cage made the car much more stable. Check out my posts from about a week ago: some people gained several seconds per lap, which is huge considering lap times were around 8 minutes.

I also remember Deep Forest with the Mustang. I switched back to the stock wheels on my livery and immediately set a better lap time. That's why you shouldn't rely solely on lap times, but also pay attention to how the car feels to drive.

On the other hand, I've never noticed any difference between a stock car purchased from the dealership and the same car rented for an event. However, what about oil changes? Can worn oil cost you a few horsepower in CTM? I honestly don't know the answer.

@half_sourly one question but if it will take you more than 5 minutes of clicking then ignore my question.. How many people managed to get Alien status ? So all TTs together, first 100 positions, Unique PSN. (those who Placed top 100 more than once, should just count as 1 Alien ) ( wild guess 2500 people? am I near?) wonder what other people would guess?

@Barareklam Your question doesn’t really concern me, but I’d like to understand it.


Do you consider someone an “Alien” when they’ve entered the Top 100 once?
Or only if they’ve done it multiple times, or even since the beginning of the game?

 

[911RSR]

This isn't true is it? I don't see how it could be.

I used to think this could be true for BOP events if you have worn parts on your garage car but apparently it's not according to the research others have done on Google - although personally I'm not convinced. Maybe that's a placebo effect where I've immediately gone a couple of tenths faster after changing oil but maybe changing oil in game also refreshes my brain juice in real life 🤣

Sorry to cause some trouble!
My statement was relatet to Jeremy Clarkson using "the fastet car in the world" - a rental car - for a race.
I could have made this more clear in the 1st post - my TopGear influenced mind just takes this as common knowledge