GTDesigned: A Community Vision GT Project

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I wasn't refering to the high of the car @Grandea GTR , just the smart design of the Mitsubishi Colt, where the base line goes from the headlights, the hood and the windshield up to the roof. It's just a little bit of inspiration, not a guide line to make it a dull shopping cart ;)
 
YukinoSuzuka
I wasn't refering to the high of the car @Grandea GTR , just the smart design of the Mitsubishi Colt, where the base line goes from the headlights, the hood and the windshield up to the roof. It's just a little bit of inspiration, not a guide line to make it a dull shopping cart ;)
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Oh, okay, you got me lost there :lol:

Anywho, an important topic I want to discuss is:

Suspension.

What would be effective? Independent? Pushrod?
 
LosCules24SFA
OK guys instead of using the traditional battery I think I found a good replacement that won't add as much weight and also wouldn't take much space. I've been doing a little research and searching on the Internet and here's what I got: Energy-storing body panels

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/under-the-hood/trends-innovations/5-future-car-technologies.htm#page=5
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I already have shrunken the battery to 15% of its original weight. :) and had to solution to store it within the chassis to keep gravity lown I feel like this is a great solution and we should continue to use it.


@eran0004 can you use McLaren f1 dimensions? I don't think anyone would dislike sharing a characteristic from the car thato was the fastest car in the world for 17 years or so. Lol. :D
Grandea GTR
Oh, okay, you got me lost there :lol:

Anywho, an important topic I want to discuss is:

Suspension.

What would be effective? Independent? Pushrod?
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Why not traditional power assisted rack and pinion like most GT racecars?
 
As an Industrial Designer by trade (my job is to ideate, sketch and 3D model aesthetic product concepts).................. I am involved in projects ........such that in this case..........I would expect that 3 to 4 refined alternative Aesthetic Concept sketches of 787's design would be created......... that the community would then vote for in the next poll. Component Concepts (single seater, transverse mounted motor, battery type, rear wing, etc.) required to execute each of the refined sketches would be presented along with that particular sketch in the poll. This methodical voting process keeps the Community involved beyond the Team VGT group here. Once the next sketch is voted for.............refinements would occur to the selected sketch Aesthetic details......and the Community would continue to vote along the way. 3D modeling would be introduced a bit later down the development process. This is the methodical process that I am familiar with. :cheers:
 
@kapnk006 Very good advice you've given here ! And an inside view what a designer studio would do with projects like this. There are always multiple versions of the design, every detail gets the same attention, from the rims to the buttons in the interior. But that's (interior) is in a later stadium. I think, when we need such an ammount of different versions of the exterior, we also need more designers that could help @eran0004 around, designing some alternatives, based on his 'master' model, called Model A. It's to much work for 1 person to make all this alternatives.
 
YukinoSuzuka
@kapnk006 .........we also need more designers that could help @eran0004 around, designing some alternatives, based on his 'master' model, called Model A. It's to much work for 1 person to make all this alternatives........................
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I would enjoy contributing but do not want to let the VGT Team down by not delivering due to other priorities in life :nervous:. I would be more comfortable getting involved if we first defined a more formal Phased Process that 1) defines our entire process from beginning to end, 2) identifies where we are today within that Phased Process, and 3) defines when the process is complete. 👍 This process SHOULD include tasking specific efforts to research and identify a PARTNER that ultimately would publish the final car to a motorsports simulation title. :gtpflag:
 
YukinoSuzuka
I've looked to the design of @eran0004 again and maybe I've found something that can be crucial to eliminate out the design.

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For a spotscar, the design has the right dimensions. Long nose, low profile, wide body. Seems good to me.
But for a key car I think this orange/red area had to be skipped or shortened for a design that is in balance within the kei-car regulations. A more cab-forward design.

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I take for example a slight bigger car, the Mitsubishi colt, short nose, sharp design, but from headlights till over the windshield it's a design that stands and is in balance. Without going to high in this design, I think the windshield can 'start' at the point where I marked the body orange. I think, with the skills of Eran, he could design in that Autozam AZ-box and he can do this without making it like a toon-car. I believe in you @eran0004 :D
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The main problem is that the front wheels needs to come forward, and by doing that the front will lose its most prominent features because there won't be room for those "eyebrows" and the cutouts.
 
kapnk006
As an Industrial Designer by trade (my job is to ideate, sketch and 3D model aesthetic product concepts).................. I am involved in projects ........such that in this case..........I would expect that 3 to 4 refined alternative Aesthetic Concept sketches of 787's design would be created......... that the community would then vote for in the next poll. Component Concepts (single seater, transverse mounted motor, battery type, rear wing, etc.) required to execute each of the refined sketches would be presented along with that particular sketch in the poll. This methodical voting process keeps the Community involved beyond the Team VGT group here. Once the next sketch is voted for.............refinements would occur to the selected sketch Aesthetic details......and the Community would continue to vote along the way. 3D modeling would be introduced a bit later down the development process. This is the methodical process that I am familiar with. :cheers:
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Yeah I think that method would work but as @YukinoSuzuka said, we're indeed need more modellers, I'll try to contact my friends from GrabCAD to come along
 
@kapnk006 would you have a proforma of a Phased Process for us to adapt?, or if u have time could you put a basic plan together for us to give direction.

@eran0004 can the design be modified to work within the dimensions and still keep the feel if it's a single seater?
 
Gt4lover
Why bother with the 5 turbo twin engine W50 piston arrangement 7 wheel drive convertible van when we can jump to the holy grail of MRs instead? A full on Formula car with headlights and adjustable suspensions, and no bigger than an elise! Its the world's first, mini road legal Formula Car that anyone can buy! (With some amazing front bumpers too!)
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Pretty confident with this design
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>turn on car
>flies away
 
kembro
@kapnk006 would you have a proforma of a Phased Process for us to adapt?, or if u have time could you put a basic plan together for us to give direction.

@eran0004 can the design be modified to work within the dimensions and still keep the feel if it's a single seater?
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The McLaren F1 is a 3 seater with the driver seat in the middle, I think we should do something similar.

I think our goal should be a daily driver with a usefulness equal to or greater than the BMW M3 or Nissan GTR with more performance too.



Guys, what do you think about 100% electric? Except maybe with a backup engine with 1 Gallon of fuel and like 10 horsepower incase something breaks. It would fix a lot of design issues.
 
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wvmgmidget
I know but without a battery we would gain space
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No... that's not true. Actually the oppisite. Near future batteries and electric engines have more efficiency than Combustion engines and gasoline. Meaning more power less space. Just put the battery in the frame. We can have a 2000 hp car if we want. Let's just put a dial. On the dash that let's you adjust your max power from 300 he to 2000 hp. Lol
 
If we put it under the car it could work but another reason I don't favor hybrid tech is that it makes the car significantly gain weight. Our kei sized car should only weigh a little over 2000 lbs at the max
 
wvmgmidget
If we put it under the car it could work but another reason I don't favor hybrid tech is that it makes the car significantly gain weight. Our kei sized car should only weigh a little over 2000 lbs at the max
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Also not true. Near future electric weighs less than gasoline and combustion engine. :P
 
wvmgmidget
"Near future" implies that it hasn't been made yet
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It's been made in small amounts for testing. It was mathmatically calculated how efficient it would be in the Labratories. But they are experiencing a few issues they have to fix. The batteries refuse the recharge, probably hot and explode often too. And the engine is under development by one of the Airplane companies.


Here's a list I got from a physics forum.

Electric motors generally:

are easier to maintain
are very efficient (80-90% compared to 20-30% for ICEs)
have a very wide range of operating speed, so need no gears, or fewer gears, to move through their full speed range
make it easy to incorporate regenerative braking.
can provide full torque from stationary
 
Yes and we're not an engineering firm we have no idea how to apply that futuristic tech to a car. I don't pd would take us seriously if we used experimental tech.
 
wvmgmidget
If we put it under the car it could work but another reason I don't favor hybrid tech is that it makes the car significantly gain weight. Our kei sized car should only weigh a little over 2000 lbs at the max
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We decided on structural batteries.

I.e CFRP panels acting as batteries. It will save both weight and space, and works as it was in the Drayson LMP, the 200mph purely electric LMP.
 

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