GTP Cool Wall: 1965-1966 Shelby GT350

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1965-1966 Shelby GT350

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Here is a copy of the original window sticker.


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Honestly, I think both names are acceptable. It's a Shelby, it's a Mustang, close enough, whatever. Same with the other two. Only difference is, more people will recognize a Shelby Cobra and a Ford GT40 than will recognize the other names.

The only reason I'm even bothering to argue is because you were using its status as a Shelby as a reason to label it uncool. Yes, it might technically be a Shelby, but it's close enough to being a Mustang that you could call it one without being that far off. The people who'd nitpick at you for calling it a Mustang are the reason car guys are uncool, as I said.
 
White & Nerdy
Honestly, I think both names are acceptable. It's a Shelby, it's a Mustang, close enough, whatever. Same with the other two. Only difference is, more people will recognize a Shelby Cobra and a Ford GT40 than will recognize the other names.

The only reason I'm even bothering to argue is because you were using its status as a Shelby as a reason to label it uncool. Yes, it might technically be a Shelby, but it's close enough to being a Mustang that you could call it one without being that far off. The people who'd nitpick at you for calling it a Mustang are the reason car guys are uncool, as I said.
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I agree. I feel both are quite acceptable an both are commonly used.
 
Slash
"Mustang scheduled for production....."


Nope not a Mustang at all. Not one bit.
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And under that. Shelby scheduled for production.

I like this.
 
Dennisch
And under that. Shelby scheduled for production.

I like this.
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Using a Mustang haha.

There's enough to support it both ways really.
 
For what it's worth, while I recognise that it's officially a Shelby, but it should be noted that the cars were partially built as Mustangs by Ford, then sent off for Shelby to finish them with their components. Which makes it, in my mind, partly factory built and partly modified. There's no clear line. But it is still an iteration of the Mustang, just like the RUF RT12 is still an iteration of the 911. It's recognised by the German government as a different car and company, and sold as a RUF, but underneath it is a 911. The same is true for this. It's a Shelby, but underneath is a Mustang.
 
Beeblebrox237
For what it's worth, while I recognise that it's officially a Shelby, but it should be noted that the cars were partially built as Mustangs by Ford, then sent off for Shelby to finish them with their components. Which makes it, in my mind, partly factory built and partly modified. There's no clear line. But it is still an iteration of the Mustang, just like the RUF RT12 is still an iteration of the 911. It's recognised by the German government as a different car and company, and sold as a RUF, but underneath it is a 911. The same is true for this. It's a Shelby, but underneath is a Mustang.
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And... This concludes our debate.:lol:
 
Beeblebrox237
For what it's worth, while I recognise that it's officially a Shelby, but it should be noted that the cars were partially built as Mustangs by Ford, then sent off for Shelby to finish them with their components. Which makes it, in my mind, partly factory built and partly modified. There's no clear line. But it is still an iteration of the Mustang, just like the RUF RT12 is still an iteration of the 911. It's recognised by the German government as a different car and company, and sold as a RUF, but underneath it is a 911. The same is true for this. It's a Shelby, but underneath is a Mustang.
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You are aware that the RT12 only uses a 911 body in white and is not a modified 911?

The suspension (customer developed with Olins and not Porsche parts), body panels, brakes etc are all Ruf sourced or manufactured parts, even the engine only uses the 911 block (and even this is heavily modified).

Underneath it is most certainly not a 911 and is not partly factory built by Porsche (body in white only), you could have picked a number of far older Ruf models and been correct, but the RT12 is not one of them.
 
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Scaff
You are aware that the RT12 only uses a 911 body in white and is not a modified 911?

The suspension (customer developed with Olins and not Porsche parts), body panels, brakes etc are all Ruf sourced or manufactured parts, even the engine only uses the 911 block (and even this is heavily modified).

Underneath it is most certainly not a 911 and is not partly factory built by Porsche (body in white only), you could have picked a number of far older Ruf models and been correct, but the RT12 is not one of them.
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True, but the same thing is true for the GT350, which is why I picked a newer RUF. Despite all the differences, it's still a 911 at heart.
 
The GT350 is a lot more Ford than the RT12 is Porsche. These were almost-complete Mustangs shipped to Shelby for the installation of a few upgraded parts. That analogy would have worked better for the Cobra, but even then, the Cobra is closer to its parent car than the RT12 apparently is.
 
Beeblebrox237
True, but the same thing is true for the GT350, which is why I picked a newer RUF. Despite all the differences, it's still a 911 at heart.
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It runs on an unmarked 911 body. Shelby (these days) to my knowledge just bolts extra power onto a showroom-ready Mustang & charges you a retarded amount of money for it. RUF tears the car apart & rebuilds everything to fit their needs. If they don't have to, RUF will not reuse Porsche parts, they will build their own to avoid badge engineering. The transmissions for example, are built directly by RUF; the PDK system will not exist inside a RUF. Engine parts are manufactured in house as well. This is how Porsche-RUF conversions start.
 
Beeblebrox237
True, but the same thing is true for the GT350, which is why I picked a newer RUF. Despite all the differences, it's still a 911 at heart.
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It only has one truly shared component yet it's the same car at heart!

A large number of people and numerous governments disagree with you on that.

I take it the Delorean it's actually a Renault by that logic.
 
Slash
How hard is it to say its a type of Mustang? Those words making a car become uncool is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
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...I know. Because I already said that.

Roo
On the other hand, if GT350 owner just says 'Uh, yeah, it's a Mustang', knowing that car people (who are all seriously uncool anyway) will know what it is and non-car-people won't care, then the car becomes cool because the owner isn't trying to explain why it's cool.
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Roo
...I know. Because I already said that.
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I know you did, but at the moment I felt like it needed to be said again. 👍
 
White & Nerdy
The GT350 is a lot more Ford than the RT12 is Porsche.
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The GT350 is closer, mainly because the RT12 never was or has been a Porsche. However that still doesn't make the GT350 a Ford.


White & Nerdy
These were almost-complete Mustangs shipped to Shelby for the installation of a few upgraded parts. That analogy would have worked better for the Cobra, but even then, the Cobra is closer to its parent car than the RT12 apparently is.
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The RT12 is an appalling example to be used as it was never a 911, not ever.

Nor does any of this make the GT350 a Ford, or the Cobra an Ace, or the GT40 a Lola. It doesn't matter how many shared components they have, if they carry a separate and/or additional VIN they are a unique model in the eyes of the industry and from a legal point of view.

Try registering a Skoda Octavia as a VW Golf or an Audi A3 (on which the Octavia is based and shares many components) and see how far you get. Try taking a faulty SEAT into an Audi dealership for a warranty claim and see how far you get. Try taking legal action against Toyota if you had a 'lemon' of a Citroen C1 and see how quickly it gets thrown out of court (and keep in mind for this last one we are talking pure badge engineering as the Aygo, C1 and 108 all come off the same lines at the same factory).

They are all uniquely recognized models from separate manufactures in the eyes of both the industry (and that has been the case for the entire time I've worked in it and long before) and from a legal point of view (both in the case of civil action and legislative).

Those who are banging on about uniquely designed models would also do well to remember how much of a car is not build or designed by the manufacturers as well. The vast majority of components on the vast majority of models in the market are sourced from a very small number of OEM suppliers (such as Valeo or Bosch) and as such are shared across a wide range of models from a wide range of manufacturers. No one designed and builds every component on a car (and hasn't for decades), which is why when a certain OEM supplier had issues with a very large run of coil packs a few years ago it hit virtually every manufacturer on the planet.


McLaren
RUF tears the car apart & rebuilds everything to fit their needs. If they don't have to, RUF will not reuse Porsche parts, they will build their own to avoid badge engineering.
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Ruf (particularly in the case of the RT12) do not start with a donor car and strip it, they have an agreement with Porsche to purchase body-in-whites.

A little like this:


(its a Cayenne - but you get the idea)
 
White & Nerdy
Also, if anything, being a Shelby makes it cooler. Let's see, what do people think of when they hear "Shelby"?

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A Shelby Prius would be Sub-Zero.
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Heh, most people I know, when they hear "Shelby", think "oh, probably a kit car by some desperate MLC'er to relive his teenage dreams". Which uh, isn't cool.

Slash
But I'll never understand the girly stereotype. Being the mustang fan I am I knew it was a high end model when I was younger. In school I made a wood cutout that said Shelby on it and its proudly displaying in my room.
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The stereotype exists for the same reason the "supercars only ever poorly driven by rich idiots" one does; the vast majority of Mustangs sold are V6 autos, IE the "chick car" spec. There's nothing particularly "high end" about a Mustang.
 
SlipZtrEm
There's nothing particularly "high end" about a Mustang.
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True, but I meant "high end" in the sense that for the time it was the most expensive model you could buy.
 
Scaff
It only has one truly shared component yet it's the same car at heart!

A large number of people and numerous governments disagree with you on that.

I take it the Delorean it's actually a Renault by that logic.
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Car enthusiasts =/= Government. They will call it whatever the hell they want.
 
Custom878
Car enthusiasts =/= Government.
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I didn't come close to implying they were, which is why I seperated people (which would include car enthusiasts) from government.

Custom878
They will call it whatever the hell they want.
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Nope. They will call it whatever the legally recognized manufacturer calls it, which will be detailed on the build certificate of conformity (which is required for type approval in every market the vehicle can legally be sold in).
 
White & Nerdy
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I wouldn't have the pink GT badge or brake calipers, but I'd rock it. 👍

I don't really think a Mustang is Dashie's style anyway. She is all about speed, and A Mustang just isn't fast enough for her.
 
More like "way too terrifyingly fast".

Here's something more fit for a pony.

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She is the only pony to have ever performed a Sonic Rainboom, the equivalent of a sonic boom. So she has to really be moving to achieve such a feat.

I can't think of anypony that would want a Mustang II.
 
Oh no, you've just started a discussion of pony physics.

I still maintain that a 3-foot-tall sparkly mini-horse would find any car mildly frightening at best. Also, don't ponies really care about the environment or something? I'd say if ponies had access to cars they'd have access to liberal talking heads as well, so it'd take all of about 2 seconds for them to all decide that cars are evil planet-murdering, poison-spewing death machines.
 
I'm not no damn pony but I'll take a pony II all day long.
 
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