GTP Cool Wall: 1969 Ford Mustang Boss 429

[mustang fanatic]

I don't find anything boring about either of those cars, or any muscle cars for that matter, but everyone has their own opinions.

 

[Famine]

Yeah, so. It's like saying a Ferrari 250 GTO, in which less than 100 were made, is just another Ferrari because it's called a Ferrari, and looks like a Ferrari.

Nope. It's like saying that a Mustang is just another Mustang because it's just another a Mustang.

If you're hunting for equivalence, it's like saying that a MX-5 super special edition of which only "n" were made is just another MX-5 because it's just another MX-5. I own such a car - it's an MX-5 Merlot, one of only 400 - and yet I can cope with the fact that, to anyone who has far better things to do in their life than care even slightly about MX-5 special editions, it's just another MX-5.

Not quite, but I get what you're getting at.

He seems to be saying that high-performance specials are equivalent to lower-line models, which isn't always the case.

Not really, though you could add that as a point of interest.

From how far away could you tell that this Sextoy Somenumbers was a special edition of whatever it is and not one of the regular cars? Do you think you could see its distinguishing features from 220 yards away?

How about someone who really doesn't give the tiniest crap about Mustangs? Do you think they could tell it's a super rare unicorn car from within touching distance, or would it be just another Mustang?

I really don't give the tiniest crap about Mustangs and if I saw this coming the other way I wouldn't even aim a camera at it even if I was already holding a camera and I had nothing else to photograph with an empty SD card, yet I would crawl naked across broken glass to get my camera and then crawl back again to take a photo of a 'Cuda or a GTO. Mustangs are literally the least imaginative pony car you can buy - they're what every lottery winner who must have 'a muscle car' buys - and I find them amazingly tedious, however many silly words and numbers you tack on to them.

That said, I have seen 1 Mustang in the last 15 years that really was worth a photo, because it made me laugh so hard I thought my knees were going to rupture. On Thursday, in fact:

 

[OriginalCheezIt]

Is that *gulp* a Mustang UTE?!?!

 

[Slash]

The whole point of this car was a giant package underneath and basic looks on the outside. That's kinda why it's so appealing. Quite honestly I like a plain mustang much more thn the flashy ones.

 

[Turtle]

...I own such a car - it's an MX-5 Merlot, one of only 400 -...

I know this isn't exactly on-topic, but I hadn't heard of the Merlot before and was wondering what the differences are. I'm guessing it's the paint and wheels, as well as some trim changes. Am I correct?

 

[Famine]

I know this isn't exactly on-topic, but I hadn't heard of the Merlot before and was wondering what the differences are. I'm guessing it's the paint and wheels, as well as some trim changes. Am I correct?

Yes, unique paint and wheels, light grey leather with body-colour piping, "wood" (veneer) centre console and leather trimmed steering wheel.

 

[mustang fanatic]

I really don't give the tiniest crap about Mustangs and if I saw this coming the other way I wouldn't even aim a camera at it even if I was already holding a camera and I had nothing else to photograph with an empty SD card, yet I would crawl naked across broken glass to get my camera and then crawl back again to take a photo of a 'Cuda or a GTO. Mustangs are literally the least imaginative pony car you can buy - they're what every lottery winner who must have 'a muscle car' buys - and I find them amazingly tedious, however many silly words and numbers you tack on to them.

Wow. I've never read something I shook my head at that much in my life.

 

[Roo]

Wow. I've never read something I shook my head at that much in my life.

I really don't give the tiniest crap about Skylines and if I saw this coming the other way I wouldn't even aim a camera at it even if I was already holding a camera and I had nothing else to photograph with an empty SD card, yet I would crawl naked across broken glass to get my camera and then crawl back again to take a photo of an NSX or an RX-7. Skylines are literally the least imaginative Japanese sports car you can buy - they're what every lottery winner who must have 'a fast 🤬* car' buys - and I find them amazingly tedious, however many silly words and numbers you tack on to them.

How about now?

(Not entirely sure why I bothered because I reckon I already know the answer...)

As an aside, I used to quite like Mustangs, but they've gone down in my estimation recently purely because of Slash's apparant desire to post either a Mustang, Ford truck or trike thing in every damn thread - to the point where I understood what JAFM ment despite having never come across the acronym before. The Ignore function has been a blessing**.

*Censored because the abbreviation of Japanese is a no-no here.

**Inb4 'you posted that just to tell Slash he's on your ignore list'. Nope. Besides, I know he doesn't give a rat's jacksie anyway.

 

[OriginalCheezIt]

How about now?

(Not entirely sure why I bothered because I reckon I already know the answer...)

As an aside, I used to quite like Mustangs, but they've gone down in my estimation recently purely because of Slash's apparant desire to post either a Mustang, Ford truck or trike thing in every damn thread - to the point where I understood what JAFM ment despite having never come across the acronym before. The Ignore function has been a blessing**.

*Censored because the abbreviation of Japanese is a no-no here.

**Inb4 'you posted that just to tell Slash he's on your ignore list'. Nope. Besides, I know he doesn't give a rat's jacksie anyway.

Did you really ignore Slash because he enjoys Fords? I mean, yeah, we poke fun at him about it a lot, but that's a bit much, don't you think?

And what does that weird "Skylines are a Japanese muscle car" analogy have to do with Famine's opinion?

 

[Tornado]

And what does that weird "Skylines are a Japanese muscle car" analogy have to do with Famine's opinion?

Because someone with "mustang fanatic" as a username might not grasp the point about why a 1960s Mustang isn't particularly notable at first glance.

 

[Roo]

Did you really ignore Slash because he enjoys Fords? I mean, yeah, we poke fun at him about it a lot, but that's a bit much, don't you think?

I don't ignore Slash because he enjoys Fords. I know he enjoys Fords. I ignore Slash so I don't have to see so many indentical* Mustangs/trucks every time I venture in to a Cars In General picture thread. In any case, it's not like Slash is going to be offended that some Brit who posts maybe once a day is ignoring him.

*I'm sure there are differences if you care about them, but they're much of a muchness to me.

And what does that weird "Skylines are a Japanese muscle car" analogy have to do with Famine's opinion?

I merely changed the vehicles from a car mustang fanatic cares about to a car mustang fanatic (presumably) doesn't care about, to see if he still finds Famine's post so incredulous. I'm not suggesting a Skyline is some sort of Japanese muscle car; I could just as easily have changed 'Mustang' to 'Austin-Healey Sprite', ''Cuda' to 'MG Midget' and 'GTO' to 'Triumph TR4' for all the difference - none - it would have made.

 

[OriginalCheezIt]

Ok, I thought you were trying to make a point against Famine for a second. Got it now. 👍

 

[Roo]

Ok, I thought you were trying to make a point against Famine for a second.

I wouldn't dare

 

[White & Nerdy]

@Famine I'm not even going to bother quoting your post because I don't want to deal with manually removing the purple. But this isn't just a paint & trim special here. I could probably notice the difference as soon as I saw the badge, normal people probably would probably just equate "Boss 429" with "something special" even if they don't know what it means. Additionally, this is one of the best looking Mustangs to start with, and with the lower suspension of this one it just looks so right - even if someone doesn't notice it's lower, they'll probably like it. And even if Mustangs are unimaginative, they're still cool. I'd say simply because muscle car*, but I'm not quite sure that covers it.

*Every time you call a Mustang, Camaro or other such car a "pony car", someone buys an SUV when all they need is a wagon.

 

[Famine]

@Famine I'm not even going to bother quoting your post because I don't want to deal with manually removing the purple. But this isn't just a paint & trim special here. I could probably notice the difference as soon as I saw the badge

So not from 220yd away then?

normal people probably would probably just equate "Boss 429" with "something special" even if they don't know what it means. Additionally, this is one of the best looking Mustangs to start with, and with the lower suspension of this one it just looks so right - even if someone doesn't notice it's lower, they'll probably like it.

You'd literally need to have a 'normal' one parked next to it for anyone who isn't a Mustang geek to notice there was anything different about it. It'd just be another Mustang.

And even if Mustangs are unimaginative, they're still cool.

They're what lottery winners buy when they want a 'muscle car'. They're the entry-level Ferrari of the 'muscle car' world.

Cool people buy a Cougar. Or a Cuda. Or a Dart. Or a Camaro. Or an actual muscle car rather than a pony car. Or anything that isn't a Mustang.

I'd say simply because muscle car*, but I'm not quite sure that covers it.

*Every time you call a Mustang, Camaro or other such car a "pony car", someone buys an SUV when all they need is a wagon.

But they are pony cars. I mean, the Mustang is the reason that the class even exists...

 

[mustang fanatic]

Cool people buy a Cougar. Or a Cuda. Or a Camaro. Or an actual muscle car rather than a pony car. Or anything that isn't a Mustang.

Those are all "pony" cars too.

And lottery winners buy $200,000 Ferraris or Lambos. They couldn't be bothered with a $40,000 Mustang.

 

[Famine]

Those are all "pony" cars too.

And lottery winners buy $200,000 Ferraris or Lambos. They couldn't be bothered with a $40,000 Mustang.

I said all of that. I mean... you even quoted the first bit...

Cool people buy a Cougar. Or a Cuda. Or a Dart. Or a Camaro. Or an actual muscle car rather than a pony car. Or anything that isn't a Mustang.

And the second bit was in the same post...

They're what lottery winners buy when they want a 'muscle car'. They're the entry-level Ferrari of the 'muscle car' world.

 

[mustang fanatic]

And the second bit was in the same post...

Just because lottery winners buy them, that doesn't make them uncool. And I see no reason how it's any different than a brand new Challenger SRT8 or Camaro SS.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Wow. I've never read something I shook my head at that much in my life.

Of course you would along with those who liked your post.

 

[mustang fanatic]

Of course you would along with those who liked your post.

And you liked Famine's post.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Those are all "pony" cars too.

And lottery winners buy $200,000 Ferraris or Lambos. They couldn't be bothered with a $40,000 Mustang.

This isn't a 40k Mustang, and if you think it is you took a blow to your head.

Also the mustang is upper trims are usually bought when people get money because their previous 35k a year couldn't afford it or other similar cars (the Corvette being the worst one). Lamborghini and Ferrari aren't something lotto winners go out and buy because they don't know where to start nor see a point, at least every lotto winner I've seen on the news says they are buying an American Sports car with the usual Foreign make being Porsche.

And you liked Famine's post.

Yeah because it made sense and he actually does something in his career that gives him more worth than your angsty teenage youth. Sorry but your naive and wet behind the ears, and typical of that time in life you don't know what you're talking about. We get you enjoy the cars with the pony emblem on them, but that doesn't mean they are wrong or have no faults. I love Vettes and other similar cars to them, but even I know when to tell people how bad they suck.

 

[mustang fanatic]

This isn't a 40k Mustang, and if you think it is you took a blow to your head.

Also the mustang is upper trims are usually bought when people get money because their previous 35k a year couldn't afford it or other similar cars (the Corvette being the worst one). Lamborghini and Ferrari aren't something lotto winners go out and buy because they don't know where to start nor see a point, at least every lotto winner I've seen on the news says they are buying an American Sports car with the usual Foreign make being Porsche.

I KNOW IT'S NOT A 40K MUSTANG DAMNIT.

The new Mustangs usually cost 40k, which the rich people seem to want rather than classics.

Yeah because it made sense and he actually does something in his career that gives him more worth than your angsty teenage youth. Sorry but your naive and wet behind the ears, and typical of that time in life you don't know what you're talking about. We get you enjoy the cars with the pony emblem on them, but that doesn't mean they are wrong or have no faults. I love Vettes and other similar cars to them, but even I know when to tell people how bad they suck.

No it didn't make sense. He was saying how much he hates Mustangs, which all seemed pointless to me. And stop telling me I'm naive and I don't know what I'm talking about. And I never said they don't have faults. They do. EVERYTHING DOES.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I KNOW IT'S NOT A 40K MUSTANG DAMNIT.

The new Mustangs usually cost 40k, which the rich people seem to want rather than classics.

Wow calm down, see that's what I mean about the angsty teen thing but I rather not argue you. You prove me right to easily it's not fair to you.

 

[Zenith]

Just because lottery winners buy them, that doesn't make them uncool.

Yes it does. That goes for any top of the range classic American car. GT500's, ZL1 Camaros, Superbirds, Charger Daytona's.

And I see no reason how it's any different than a brand new Challenger SRT8 or Camaro SS.

Really? You don't see how a 45 year old special edition collector's Mustang would get a different reaction than a 2010 Camaro? Really?

 

[mustang fanatic]

Wow calm down, see that's what I mean about the angsty teen thing but I rather not argue you. You prove me right to easily it's not fair to you.

You told me it's not 40k. I already knew that long ago. And it's fairer than you think. I may not know everything, but I know more than you seem to think I do.

Yes it does. That goes for any top of the range classic American car. GT500's, ZL1 Camaros, Superbirds, Chargers.

How?

Really? You don't see how a 45 year old special edition collector's Mustang would get a different reaction than a 2010 Camaro? Really?

Newer Camaros, Mustangs and Challengers, and older Camaros, Mustangs and Challengers. Just because lottery winners will buy a Mustang doesn't mean they won't buy a Challenger or Camaro.

 

[White & Nerdy]

I'd almost advise you to give up. Some people will do anything to avoid calling a cool car cool.

 

[OriginalCheezIt]

I'd almost advise you to give up. Some people will do anything to avoid calling a cool car cool.

This is probably the most entertaining thing I have ever heard you say, simply for the fact YOU were the one to say it.

 

[Zenith]

How?

Because they're bought either by old fat men in Big 3 branded jackets who never moved on from the late 60's or the aforementioned lottery winner who doesn't have a clue about cars but wants a nice one because he's got the money. Do either of those buyer groups sound cool to you?

The Boss 429 is particularly uncool because anybody with a lick of car knowledge knows that it was massively over-engined. Want a fast Mustang? This isn't it. Most of the power put out by that motor goes to wrapping the chassis into a pretzel and vulcanizing the rear tires.Next to a Boss 302 or GT350, this is overkill to the point of stupidity.

Newer Camaros, Mustangs and Challengers, and older Camaros, Mustangs and Challengers. Just because lottery winners will buy a Mustang doesn't mean they won't buy a Challenger or Camaro.

Irrelevant.

I'd almost advise you to give up. Some people will do anything to avoid calling a cool car cool.

And some people are so uncool that they don't have the slightest idea of what makes something cool.

Edit: I looked over the Wiki page for this car while trying to find the weight of the engine. The entire page is a load of excuses for why the car is totally faster than it has ever shown.

Despite the high horsepower and torque ratings, the car was at home in the high RPM range (the engine is said to be able to rev up to 9,000rpm for extended periods of time, which is impressive given the engines massive 7.0L displacement, though were factory limited to 6,200rpm for insurance purposes[citation needed]), and suffered a poor by today's standards 0-60 time because of this. However, it quickly made up for that once it got moving. The car unrestricted is said to be able to exceed speeds of up to 175mph, though no actual claim has been proven due to the rarity, value and collectibility of the car, making anyone who owns one reluctant to try it.

Oh please.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I'd almost advise you to give up. Some people will do anything to avoid calling a cool car cool.

I did call it cool though, clearly you don't do your fact checking. Why isn't that surprising.

You told me it's not 40k. I already knew that long ago. And it's fairer than you think. I may not know everything, but I know more than you seem to think I do.

I didn't say anything about your knowledge at all, I questioned your bias and if you have the capability to be objective.

 

[mustang fanatic]

Because they're bought either by old fat men in Big 3 branded jackets who never moved on from the late 60's or the aforementioned lottery winner who doesn't have a clue about cars but wants a nice one because he's got the money. Do either of those buyer groups sound cool to you?

Oh so you think. That's not always the case. Lottery winners would rather have a brand new Porsche than a rusty old Mustang.

I did call it cool though, clearly you don't do your fact checking. Why isn't that surprising.

Of course you did. You seem to know everything anyways.