GTP Cool Wall: 2009+ Ruf Rt 12 S

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Ruf also takes Porsches and tweak them, making them Ruf conversions if you bring them an actual Porsche. They also manufacture their own cars, using a Porsche chassis/ body, if it's not the CTR3 or other original Ruf cars. Just as Saleen will also sell you a car they manufacture themselves, as well as offering conversions. In other words, both companies will either make you a car from the start, or convert an existing car.

The RT-12 is a Ruf manufactured car and since all Ruf are based on a white body chassis from Porsche that are unmarked, that doesn't make them a tuned car. Ruf still engineer the entire thing themselves every where else and create their own body and interior and suspension and on and on. Saleen is not a manufacture, you can buy a Saleen (use to) from Ford or go to Saleen and have your Mustang modified. Saleen do manufacture cars, but the Mustangs they work on are not that. Those are Fords, through and through. If you can show me a Mustang that started in the same way and has a VIN sticker claiming to be manufactured under Saleen then I'll have learned something. I have never seen this though nor know it to exist. Thus it's not the same thing.

I think there is a very thin line between Rufs having their own vins and Saleens having Ford vins, but my original point
being, they both started from an established chassis, directly from Porsche or Ford (with the exception of their original cars, the S7 or CTR3) and people only (probably) buy them because they are already modified cars. Trying to explaining to anyone why it isn't just a modified Porsche is what makes it uncool.

I think your notion on that is a simple way of trying to over look the fact that one is an actual car manufacture and the other is a limited manufacture and tuner. CTR3 still uses Porsche stuff, even if it's a chassis that isn't Porsche for once. The point is Ruf actually manufacture tons of parts that go into these cars, have their own R&D and engineering and tune everything themselves. If it was simply strapping power to a Porsche like Saleen do to a Mustang, I'd have never argued your original point.

Also yes I agree, having to explain in this detail why Ruf isn't Porsche is quite uncool.

 

[Stotty]

I know you disagree but I think you look like that topgear guy

Why is porsche uncool by default? I agree with the new fancy ones and the stigma they are associated with but to me, porsche is cool. Most likely because I live in the 70's.

Which one? I'm certainly not May (too old) or Clarkson (too fat, too old, too ugly )... and Hammond is 5' nothing, whereas I am 6'3".

Even ignoring the SUV's/Panamera, Porsche are uncool. Why? IMO, you can broadly divide the owners in to 2 camps...

Those who own a Porsche because they think it makes them look cool because it's German/expensive/status/fast etc

Those who own a Porsche purely because of how it drives.

The first camp is obviously not cool in any way... buying a car because you think it will make you look cool immediately makes you a tosser.

Fundamentally, the second group isn't uncool per se. But the second group (I include myself in this group) are frequently Porsche fanatics (AKA 'beards'). They know all the models, the history, and they will talk endlessly about steering feel, balance, the benefits of rear engine layout, the minute differences in feel between aircooled and water cooled, between 2 and 4 wheel drive, between stock/S/GTS/GT/RS versions, between manual and PDK... and this isn't cool either

Porsche's are, almost without exception, fantastic cars. But they aren't cool IMO. But then again, I struggle to think of many modern cars I'd consider cool.

 

[xyloscissor]

Those who own a Porsche purely because of how it drives.

that is why I love them 👍

Oh you already know I'm saying you look like Clark

Porsche is cool, some of the modern ones are not so much to me and I do get the stigma of it all. Something that is bothersome to me is someone who can afford a new one or fancy one will never actually drive it the way it deserves to be driven.

Let me put my hands on one and we shall see

👍

 

[SPhilli911]

Also yes I agree, having to explain in this detail why Ruf isn't Porsche is quite uncool.

Right, I think the point has been proven.

I'm not disagreeing with you that Ruf is not simply a Porsche modifying company but the vin thing is the only distinction I can think of separating Saleen from Ruf. What percentage of parts must be wholly manufactured by Saleen to make it count as a manufacturer of their own cars, I don't know.

Instead of Saleen, maybe I should think about Shelby. They have Ford vins, but Shelby serial numbers and I, like many, consider them unique and totally separate cars from your average Mustang, but they are not a manufacturer of cars. Hmm, at this point, I think I now understand where you are coming from and where I am wrong.

 

[Turbo]

In NJ, the majority of Porsche drivers are over-40, upper-class men. Those are not cool people, but Porsches are cool enough that I can look past the people who drive them.

 

[Joey D]

👍

@Joey D; I don't look anything like the pic above... however I am middle aged (50 this year)... but I am not fat

I have no idea what the typical European Porsche owner is, but I'm guessing since they're less of an exotic over there they're probably owned by more down-to-earth people.

It just seems like everywhere I've been in the US, most of the Porsche owners I come across scream I'm a d-bag. I think all the normal one probably avoided all the places I went though, or just went to the country club where I wasn't allowed anyways.

Still doesn't stop me from wanting a 911 Turbo Cabriolet in dark green with white wheels and a dark tan interior with carbon fiber accents all brought to me in the German delivery package.

 

[motortrend]

And to think I used to like you!

I like Rufs but they're only cool to people who, and let's be honest, think RWBs are cool. It should always be 'less is more' with Porsches. IMHO the more crap you bolt to them the further from purity they move. I'm voting cool just because of the rarity and I'm a Porsche fan, but in general they're not.

I hate RWB and like most Rufs a lot. Most of them aren't overdone IMO, especially those like the yellowbird, BTR and Turbo R. They're also doing some pretty cool stuff with the 991s

 

[McLaren]

RUF themselves did some questionable things too.

Having seen this car in person years ago, it's anything but questionable. Out put was just over 700Hp & it ran up Pikes Peak - just a beast of a machine. This is one of the "holy grails" for RUF.

 

[Heldenzeit]

Having seen this car in person years ago, it's anything but questionable. Out put was just over 700Hp & it ran up Pikes Peak - just a beast of a machine. This is one of the "holy grails" for RUF.

I know of its functionality. Just showing that RWB were definitely not the first ones to have ugly wings.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Cool because it was already a cool car... I'm not convinced that the RUF magic shines through on this one though.

 

[MoLiEG]

Nice Porsche braw

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I mean, RUF, nice RUF braw

Cool.