GTP Cool Wall: 2013+ Ferrari LaFerrari

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2013+ Ferrari LaFerrari

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HKS racer
As I said "Chris tends to behave like a car jorunalist for 14 years old people. Lot's of unnecessary "over the top" and "yo bro" "in your face" comments." Or BS in that case.
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To which I say again that Chris Harris wasn't the person who bought every Ferrari F50. The hint, since it didn't take the first time even though it should certainly be well known to someone who calls himself a Ferrari fanboy without irony, was that Ferrari absolutely went on as much damage control as possible for that car to keep the somewhat odd performance claims from being examined, to the extent of pseudo-threatening the first owners to keep them from providing their own cars for magazines to test.



What Chris Harris is saying is only corroborating things that regular car magazines make it a point to bring up every time Ferrari launches a new flagship car.

HKS racer
Now if you have balls tell me this face to face, let me know when you are in Venice. I'll be waiting for you.
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Tornado
To which I say again that Chris Harris wasn't the person who bought every Ferrari F50. The hint, since it didn't take the first time even though it should certainly be well known to someone who calls himself a Ferrari fanboy without irony, was that Ferrari absolutely went on as much damage control as possible for that car to keep the somewhat odd performance claims from being examined, to the extent of pseudo-threatening the first owners to keep them from providing their own cars for magazines to test.
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And? I'm surprised you are surprised Ferrari stopped him or other similar freaks to review their cars.
And no Chris Harris is not well known in Italy at all. He is just yet another random youtube guy for us. I'm sorry.
 
It's funny, because you respond to what people are saying as if there is actually a level of comprehension involved; and then you just repeat the same nonsense about how Chris Harris is just mad and biased and lying because Ferrari was mean to him.
 
Tornado
It's funny, because you respond to what people are saying as if there is actually a level of comprehension involved regarding what others are saying; and then you just repeat the same nonsense about how Chris Harris is just mad and biased and lying because Ferrari was mean to him.
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:D In all seriousness if your standard of car journalist is Chirs Harris and/or Jeremy Clarkson, dear Tornado we'll just have to agree to disagree. At least Jeremy made me lough a couple of times.
 
HKS racer
Call it nonsense but I was born with a F40 poster in my room, so my inprinting and MY idea of Ferrari is a fast red noisy car with a mid engine.
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That may be your idea, but it doesn't excuse the fact that "full-blooded" Ferraris by most accounts, are the old, vintage GTs. You're basically claiming that there's really only been 1 true Ferrari at a time since the F40 & that right now, the 458 is the only one on the market.
 
The presenters of Top Gear are also mental; that doesn't mean they lie about statistics. Statistics are statistics, unless Top Gear makes an intentionally sarcastic comment.



What do statistics matter?



@HKS racer, you talk like it's a bad thing that Chris Harris does reviews "for fourteen year olds". But, is it bad when Ferrari makes a car for fourteen year olds to have wet dreams about, as they inevitably will because they're 14 year olds?
 
HKS racer
As I said "Chris tends to behave like a car jorunalist for 14 years old people. Lot's of unnecessary "over the top" and "yo bro" "in your face" comments." Or BS in that case.
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Oh this is so cute.

I've got a hypothetical for you. You will the lottery, a great aunt you never knew dies, you find buried treasure. Take your pick. You're rich.

After about 4 years pass and you get your driver's license you go out and buy a Ferrari 430 Scuderia. Ferrari's are the greatest cars ever! So fast and well engineered? All the magazine tests say so!

So you're cruising around your slowly sinking tourist attraction of a city called Venice and you pull up next to a Porsche 911 GT2 (the older model) and a Lamborghini 560-4 Gallardo. You engage your launch control and get ready to show them your Maranello Might. The light turns green, you floor it, aaaaand you watch the other two cars leave you in the dust. Yup. Turns out that the customer cars Ferrari sells aren't as fast as the specially prepped ones they give to magazines. You can take your car to a track, you can put a race car driver in it. It won't matter. The car won't perform like Ferrari advertises or how the journalist-special review cars did.

You've created this hero brand in your head where Enzo Ferrari was a superhero car race engineer and the cars that his company makes are the coolest, fastest, sexiest cars around and it must be depressing as hell to find out that they're mostly show and branding that gets spanked by the Germans and Brits.

And it's so delicious to me that you're getting to watch this happen as the company slowly loses more and more to other racing teams in F1 and Enduro and to other car manufacturers in the road legal market.

Looks like we have an internet Lion in here. Now if you have balls tell me this face to face, let me know when you are in Venice. I'll be waiting for you.
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ITCC_Andrew
, you talk like it's a bad thing that Chris Harris does reviews "for fourteen year olds". But, is it bad when Ferrari makes a car for fourteen year olds to have wet dreams about, as they inevitably will because they're 14 year olds?
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You forgot that Ferrari core business is not selling dreams to 14 yo kids, but selling cars to billioners. And Chris Harris is not extacly the kind of reviewer you want for those kind of customers.
 
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Exactly, because he is in the entertainment business. Who cares? In the end, he is laughing his way to the bank and you aren't, so you can't even afford to be disappointed. And, cherry on top, he can!
 
ITCC_Andrew
Exactly, because he is in the entertainment business. Who cares? In the end, he is laughing his way to the bank and you aren't, so you can't even afford to be disappointed. And, cherry on top, he can!
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Oh, I didn't know GTplanet was only for people who are in the entertainment business and are laughing their way to the bank.
 
HKS racer
In all seriousness if your standard of car journalist is Chirs Harris and/or Jeremy Clarkson, dear Tornado we'll just have to agree to disagree. At least Jeremy made me lough a couple of times.
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See, now you're just making things up completely. I never said Harris was my standard for what a car journalist was. I never said anything about Clarkson at all. I said car magazines have already been saying the same thing Harris was. That means Automobile, who ran a story about the practice as it pertained to the F50 when the Enzo was new. That means Motor Trend, which back when it was worth a damn in the 1990s was quite good at grabbing those sorts of stories (though I can't think of whether they did one specifically). That means Car and Driver, who were particularly annoyed by Ferrari deliberately scaring off owners and ran several stories about Ferrari's Orwellian attempts to control all media output of their cars, and as a result were always the first to question when something didn't seem right and repeatedly have brought up what Ferrari did with the F50 as a specific example in the years since.



Harris ran a story claiming that Ferrari likes to give car reviewers juiced versions of their cars so they perform better and ruthlessly controls the media output for their cars. This story is corroborated by other sources, most (but not all) of them relating to a specific instance where Ferrari went to extreme lengths to keep any independent review of their flagship supercar from occuring (especially not in relation to their flagship supercar that just went off sale half a decade prior). If the best you can do in the argument about Ferrari's media practices is attack Chris Harris for not being a "proper" car reviewer and is just angry because Ferrari won't let him test their cars, you might as well not bother posting. You're not a bastion of impartiality yourself, and all your claims about Harris do is make you seem bitter because of the audacity he had to call the company out for something they were already known for doing.


HKS racer
Oh, I didn't know GTplanet was only for people who are in the entertainment business and are laughing their way to the bank.
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This doesn't even make sense as a sentence.
 
HKS racer
Oh, I didn't know GTplanet was only for people who are in the entertainment business and are laughing their way to the bank.
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Neither is true. I'm joining in with the truth; Ferrari is slower than you think :lol: I saw a Ferrari get thrashed by a $20,000 Civic at a racetrack.


Again, you can't afford to be disappointed, so you'll live on your Ferrari fandom forever. Or, you'll go to a track day at the nearby Austrian circuit of your choice and find something faster for a 10th of the cost and snap out of your fandom.


I mean, the fastest (custom) Subaru/Mitsubishi models will keep up with some Ferraris in some cases... And have four doors...
 
HKS racer
You forgot that Ferrari core business is not selling dreams to 14 yo kids, but selling cars to billioners. And Chris Harris is not extacly the kind of reviewer you want for those kind of customers.
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Why? Because he takes a different approach to how he reviews cars? His write up of Ferraris is still the same as almost everyone else: "It's a great car, has some flaws, would still take it if I could".

The only reason he received negative remarks from Ferrari is because he exposed them & your silly excuse is, "Well, he's not that good anyway". What difference does it make how he reviews cars if he still brought the issue to light? The cars were still fast, still competitive with their rivals, & still cost an arm and a leg. Ferrari caught flack because that wasn't enough. They had to win at everything, so they tried to give their cars an edge in reviews. Technically, any owner could do what they did, but the point was that it didn't come from the factory that way.
 
Tornado
See, now you're just making things up completely. I never said Harris was my standard for what a car journalist was. I never said anything about Clarkson at all. I said car magazines have already been saying the same thing Harris was. That means Automobile, who ran a story about the practice as it pertained to the F50 when the Enzo was new. That means Motor Trend, which back when it was worth a damn in the 1990s was quite good at grabbing those sorts of stories (though I can't think of whether they did one). That means Car and Driver, who were particularly annoyed by Ferrari deliberately scaring off owners and ran several stories about Ferrari's Orwellian attempts to control all media output of their cars, and as a result were always the first to question when something didn't seem right and repeatedly have brought up what Ferrari did with the F50 as a specific example in the years since.



Harris ran a story claiming that Ferrari likes to give car reviewers juiced versions of their cars so they perform better and ruthlessly controls the media output for their cars. This story is corroborated by other sources, most (but not all) of them relating to a specific instance where Ferrari went to extreme lengths to keep any independent review of their flagship supercar from occuring (especially not in relation to their flagship supercar that just went off sale half a decade prior). If the best you can do in the argument about Ferrari's media practices is attack Chris Harris for not being a "proper" car reviewer and is just angry because Ferrari won't let him test their cars, you might as well not bother posting. You're not a bastion of impartiality yourself, and all your claims about Harris do is make you seem bitter because of the audacity he had to call the company out for something they were already known for doing.
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Why I'm not hearing anyone complaining here about Ferrari road cars performance? And yes, we have a McLaren club in Maranello. We have lots of italian McLaren/RedBull/Williams fans that are much worse than anglo-saxon people when they critic Ferrari F1's but no one told me a single bad word about road cars. So, that's why I'm very cautious for whatever comes out from a british or american journal when they talk about cars.
For what is worth all the stories you mentioned can be nothing more than tabloid drama by people looking for attention.

If you are sure everything they said is true I'm waiting you and all the people here to organize a class-action against Ferrari. Class-actions are common over there. If you are right and you have the proofs you'll surely win, it has been done already and big corporations were forced to pay back. So good luck, I'm looking forward to hear about your class-action.
McLaren
Why? Because he takes a different approach to how he reviews cars? His write up of Ferraris is still the same as almost everyone else: "It's a great car, has some flaws, would still take it if I could".

The only reason he received negative remarks from Ferrari is because he exposed them & your silly excuse is, "Well, he's not that good anyway". What difference does it make how he reviews cars if he still brought the issue to light? The cars were still fast, still competitive with their rivals, & still cost an arm and a leg. Ferrari caught flack because that wasn't enough. They had to win at everything, so they tried to give their cars an edge in reviews. Technically, any owner could do what they did, but the point was that it didn't come from the factory that way.
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HKS racer
Why I'm not hearing anyone complaining here about Ferrari road cars performance? And yes, we have a McLaren club in Maranello. We have lots of italian McLaren/RedBull/Williams fans that are much worse than anglo-saxon people when they critic Ferrari F1's but no one told me a single bad word about road cars. So, that's why I'm very cautious for whatever comes out from a british or american journal when they talk about cars.
For what is worth all the stories you mentioned can be nothing more than tabloid drama by people looking for attention.
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Ah the old, everyone who disagrees is doing so because they're jealous and mean.

Your pet car company is getting hammered. Deal with it.

If you are sure everything they said is true I'm waiting you and all the people here to organize a class-action against Ferrari. Class-actions are common over there. If you are right and you have the proofs you'll surely win, it has been done already and big corporations were forced to pay back. So good luck, I'm looking forward to hear about your class-action.
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Hmmm... 13? Yeah I'm guessing 13. You really don't know squat about class-action lawsuits, do you? Aren't you a bit old to be challenging people to fights over the internet?
 
I dunno, it's fast, it's loud, and it has epic potential on a track. Unfortunately, I doubt even one of these will see more than a little track time, and it does have a ridiculous name. If I ever spotted one, I would be all over it for pictures, but given that I can't imagine anyone using it as anything more than an attention beacon on especially clear weekends I wouldn't be able to bring myself to vote any higher than "meh."

If, however, I do find out about an owner who really tries to get their moneys worth out of the car, I'll consider that specific LaFerrari to be sub zero on a special level. Something about people throwing their 6-figure supercar around on a track regularly reverses everything I typically don't like about these kind of cars.
 
Fun fact: in Canada, there is a LaFerrari (I think) which goes to track days. Also a McLaren MP4 and some fancy Lamborghini thing.


@Minty, I couldn't agree more, but I find it hilarious watching the budget build cars catching and passing them.
 
LOL at bringing a class-action law suit against Ferrari. The cars were never shown to be terrible in truth or incapable of what they claimed, they just weren't sold in the same specs as the test cars. That's not worth a lawsuit, but it was worth making a note about to the public once Ferrari tried to control every aspect of the reviews & not let journalists voice their full opinion without being told, "You'll never get another one of our cars again if you say something bad".

You ask for your proof, yet you probably weren't more than an infant when these stories started cropping up in the 90's. Motor Trend or R&T (1 of the 2) had a good article about why Ferrari wouldn't let anyone touch the F50 without praise being spoken about it. And it went on in the early century with an article in Evo or CAR I believe, & so forth to Chris Harris. There are more than just Harris who shed light on how Ferrari expects the media to play ball with them, but they're obviously wrong & I'm guessing the 1 or 2 publications from Italy are completely factual in every way; zero chance of national bias in them, right? :rolleyes:

Should change your name to Rudolph considering how far up your nose is in the redheaded manufacturer of Italy's ass.
 
McLaren
You ask for your proof
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Yes I do and an article from the 90's is not. Is an article a proof when we can't hear what they really said face to face or by phone? Is there a telephone recording somewhere? How can we be sure it wasn't a tabloid hero looking for 10 minutes glory?
I think you need more than an article.

Chris Harris is an entertainment business dude right? So why he don't call Ferrari with his smartphone and film himself while doing, so everyone can finally hear their infamous answers?

ildd
Racist much?
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So if I use "mexican" word in a post for you is automatically racism. Didn't know that.
Oh wait, I think you are just talking out of your bum.
 
No intelligence to be found here, it seems. Still, here's my opinion;

Whilst I adore Ferrari, I will have to agree that this car isn't a looker, even I don't find it particularly beautiful. The technology on it is great but it has no striking Italiano looks and that's only 50% Ferrari in the end. I did miss the poll but I would've voted "Meh".
 

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