GTP Cool Wall: 2013+ Ferrari LaFerrari

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2013+ Ferrari LaFerrari

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Jet Badger
We have several respectable automotive journalists on one side and your fanboy self-righteousness on the other. See where I'm going? Probably not.
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The thing is you can have the whole World on your side but you also need legitimate proofs. And I'm still waiting.
 
HKS racer
Actually looking for a mexican Cool car. Enlight Meh please.
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Not sure what you were trying to say. I was talking about my Cool Wall vote. Gave it Uncool back then. Maybe if this car was re-polled, I' change it to Cool. But it's a long shot because ughh... it's name... :indiff: And I can't give it a Meh, because there is no middle point. You love it or you hate it. At least that's how I see it.

Maybe it's more clear now!

Play nice boys! :cheers:
 
HKS racer
Yes I do and an article from the 90's is not. Is an article a proof when we can't hear what they really said face to face or by phone? Is there a telephone recording somewhere? How can we be sure it wasn't a tabloid hero looking for 10 minutes glory?
I think you need more than an article.
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I think you need to come up with a smarter answer than that. Multiple magazine journalists have said this over the course of a decade & yet, that's not good enough unless it's on YouTube now?

Seriously, this is the dumbest logic I have ever read. Owners have even confirmed the control Ferrari has over them even buying cars.
Well, okay. But why would wealthy, independent men care what Ferrari thinks?

Explained one: "I buy every new Ferrari that comes out. It was suggested that if my F50 got tested, I might not be on the list of preferred customers, which I think is necessary to get the first new models."

"There are perks for being a loyal Ferrari customer," said another lessee who had initially been keen on having C/D test his car. "Things like personal factory tours in Maranello and private drives at Fiorano. Maybe I have a big ego, but those things mean a lot to me. So, to be told I might lose those perks, well, you know. . ."
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We then asked Letta if any magazine had measured the performance of an F50. "No," he replied. When asked if he knew why, he again said no but added: "I'm aware that [C/D] contacted some customers who agreed to test. But [those customers] backed out when they heard someone else would drive their car." In point of fact, however, C/D offered each customer the chance to drive his own F50 during the test.

In one instance, Letta referred by name to a Midwest customer who, he said, "backed out because he wanted to drive his own car." This is an odd statement, for two reasons. First, it was that customer's dealer who called C/D and withdrew the car from the test. Second, that particular customer, back in 1991, happily handed us his F40 to test under identical conditions.
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This same article catches Ferrari's representative lying about what the clientele said, but that's obviously not proof enough because Car And Driver clearly made this up, right? And then amazingly, Letta nor Ferrari followed with a lawsuit due so, right?

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/ferrari-f50-road-test

Chris Harris is an entertainment business dude right? So why he don't call Ferrari with his smartphone and film himself while doing, so everyone can finally hear their infamous answers?
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Because that allows Ferrari to turn around & sue Chris for recording a private conversation without their consent. I highly doubt this is an issue Ferrari will even discuss over the phone to begin with.

I would normally provide more, but since anything written in stone is not good enough, I won't bother. At the end of this thread, at least there's something to back my posts up whilst you dribble like a child over Ferrari with nothing to prove your claims that nobody says bad anything about Ferrari.
 
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HKS racer
The thing is you can have the whole World on your side but you also need legitimate proofs. And I'm still waiting.
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First hand accounts are proof. These are people, owners and journalists, who have driven both press cars and actual consumer cars and say that the latter does not perform the same as the former. Your version of proof is you just saying that they're totally lying because they're mean and FITE ME M8. I'LL REKT YOU M80. ONE ON ONE M8, I SWARE ON ME MUM.

And it's hilarious.
 
McLaren
Well, okay. But why would wealthy, independent men care what Ferrari thinks?

Explained one: "I buy every new Ferrari that comes out. It was suggested that if my F50 got tested, I might not be on the list of preferred customers, which I think is necessary to get the first new models."

"There are perks for being a loyal Ferrari customer," said another lessee who had initially been keen on having C/D test his car. "Things like personal factory tours in Maranello and private drives at Fiorano. Maybe I have a big ego, but those things mean a lot to me. So, to be told I might lose those perks, well, you know. . ."
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Is there anything wrong? Why people want to test customers F50's in the first place?

Why can't you just accept Ferrari to decide when and where you are allowed to test THEIR cars? Is there a law that require Ferrari to allow free test drive + free youtube BS + free 10 minutes tabloid hero for anyone? UNFORTUNATELY NOT!
I would love to go to Maranello and test all their cars and realize on my own how bad and slow they are compared to "the rivals". I would also love they let me driving their F14T so I can say finally Pat Fry how his front pull rod suspension sucks.
 
Chris Harris was still a journalist when he made YouTube videos, and he's certainly one of the journalist crowd now. I was happy to see that he recently joined Road & Track, which I've been reading for about 17 years. On video he seems like an exceptionally amiable guy, and from everything I've read/seen his views line up very well with mine. 👍

Jeremy Clarkson is a journalist too (in print, not to be confused with Jeremy Clarkson the goofy TV character).
 
HKS racer
Is there anything wrong? Why people want to test customers F50's in the first place?
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Why do people want to test anything, then? I don't know, maybe so people like you & me can know what it's like without having to wait around for the invention of YouTube?

Your argument has now gone a different direction, as well, so point proven on the previous topic.
Why can't you just accept Ferrari to decide when and where you are allowed to test THEIR cars? Is there a law that require Ferrari to allow free test drive + free youtube BS + free 10 minutes tabloid hero for anyone? UNFORTUNATELY NOT!
I would love to go to Maranello and test all their cars and realize on my own how bad and slow they are compared to "the rivals". I would also love they let me driving their F14T so I can say finally Pat Fry how his front pull rod suspension sucks.
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Meltdown in 3...2...1.

The desperation to stick up for your beloved Ferrari is hilarious. You no longer question the validity of journalists who have first hand knowledge, but now as to why they should even be allowed in your God's cars. :lol:
 
McLaren
Why do people want to test anything, then? I don't know, maybe so people like you & me can know what it's like without having to wait around for the invention of YouTube?

Your argument has now gone a different direction, as well, so point proven on the previous topic.

Meltdown in 3...2...1.

The desperation to stick up for your beloved Ferrari is hilarious. You no longer question the validity of journalists who have first hand knowledge, but now as to why they should even be allowed in your God's cars. :lol:
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The thing is actually McLaren in F1 sucks even more than us, expecially considering you have Mercedes engine. But you are 2 seconds slower than them. ;) Anyway If Ferrari GT cars are bad you need to explain me how they managed to win GT Pro Le Mans 2 times in the last 3 years with a a DETUNED Ferrari 458 (440/450 hp because air restrictor) with a race standard 6 gearbox Hewland instead of the stock (and faster) 7 gearbox. Not to mention less downforce coefficent and smaller fuel tanks compared to other GTE Pro cars. I'm not talking about random articles by a youtube guy I'm talking about FIA balance of Performance facts.
McLaren
why they should even be allowed in your God's cars.
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Like it or not it's an elite car, not a Prosche. Everyone can buy a Porsche. And I'm not lacking respect to Porsche but if tomorrow I want to buy a Caymann S a can go ahead and do it.
http://annunci.autoscout24.it/Porsche-Cayman-34-S-Benzina-Blu-Azzurro-254143027
 
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HKS racer
The thing is actually McLaren in F1 sucks even more than us, expecially considering you have Mercedes engine. But you are 2 seconds slower than them. ;) Anyway If Ferrari GT cars are bad you need to explain me how they managed to win GT Pro Le Mans 2 times in the last 3 years with a a DETUNED Ferrari 458 (440/450 hp because air restrictor) with a race standard 6 gearbox Hewland instead of the stock (and faster) 7 gearbox. Not to mention less downforce coefficent and smaller fuel tanks compared to other GTE Pro cars. I'm not talking about random articles by a youtube guy I'm talking about FIA balance of Performance facts.
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What the **** are you talking about? Nobody said anything about any of this. In fact, I said the exact opposite of them being bad.
The only reason he received negative remarks from Ferrari is because he exposed them & your silly excuse is, "Well, he's not that good anyway". What difference does it make how he reviews cars if he still brought the issue to light? The cars were still fast, still competitive with their rivals, & still cost an arm and a leg. Ferrari caught flack because that wasn't enough. They had to win at everything, so they tried to give their cars an edge in reviews. Technically, any owner could do what they did, but the point was that it didn't come from the factory that way.
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You're so desperate right now have to some sort of point.
 
HKS racer
Oh I see.
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The MT article that Tornado posted shows that the F50 could not:

-Reach the top speed the factory quoted.
-Beat the F40 in a standing drag race.
-Brake as quickly as a 355
-Pull as many skidpad G's as the factory quoted. .95G vs 1.2G. That's not even close. That's below a C4 Corvette.

Harris noted:

-A customer owned 360 Modena was 2 seconds slower to 60 than a press car.
-A customer owned 430 Scuderia was beaten by a Porsche GT2 and Lamborghini 560-4 in a drag race, despite Ferrari's claims that it should've destroyed them.

This is in addition to claims of Ferrari needing to bring an entire test team to tune a car specifically to the track before any journalists drive. Also bringing one car for straight line tests, and another for turning.

These are facts. These are things that happened. Get over it.

Maybe not everybody in the world is against your glorious Ferrari. Maybe Ferrari just isn't as good as they say they are.

HKS racer
The thing is actually McLaren in F1 sucks even more than us.
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:lol: What is this "us"? Ferrari doesn't know you. They don't care about you. They probably like taking your money for crappy shirts and trinkets, but there's no credit for you in their work.

HKS racer
Anyway If Ferrari GT cars are bad you need to explain me how they managed to win GT Pro Le Mans 2 times in the last 3 years with a a DETUNED Ferrari 458 (440/450 hp because air restrictor) with a race standard 6 gearbox Hewland instead of the stock (and faster) 7 gearbox. Not to mention less downforce coefficent and smaller fuel tanks compared to other GTE Pro cars. I'm not talking about random articles by a youtube guy I'm talking about FIA balance of Performance facts.
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We are discussing road cars, is this a joke?

Also, all GT cars run detuned engines.
 
HKS racer
I act how I prefer. And you are 19 if I'm not wrong. Go looks for some girls instead of wasting time in a forum. From 16 to 22 time FLY and never come back.
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That's fun as i'm almost 21, happy with my life, got better things to do than blindly chase girls oh and you're the one calling me out about it? Good to know you feel the need to waste your time on a forum insulting others because of a Ferrari which is a car end of the day. Priorities much?

Anyway exiting stage door before any flame bait. Cheerio.
 
Zenith
Sure thing, kiddo.

Go here:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/post-a-pic-of-your-real-car.14747/

Then I'm guessing we'll see you here:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/oh-oh-oh-im-making-a-ludicrous-claim.61433/

Might want to bookmark them. If you act anything like you have in this thread, we'll probably extract pages of laughs from you.
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LOL Who are you kid, I work in Mestre I live in Marghera I'm 30 years old. If you want to see me I told you where I live. How old are you? If you are not 18 just add me to your ignore list I don't want internet police stressing me. Good bye.
 
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McLaren
That has nothing to do with the topic nor is anyone impressed by you waving your e-dick around about how loaded you are. :rolleyes:
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You want to know all the story since we are going pretty much off topic? I hate spending cash since it's hard earned cash in here. I have roughly 40.000 euro so I'm pretty much the average Joe. What's the difference between having 40.000 or 15.000? Nothing of nothing, maybe a Caymann S but that's about it. Life is still the same. Bills to pay are still the same. Work salary is still the same. You feel a first little difference when you have 70.000 or more. But they can disappear veeery very quickly. Damn it. Oh and my actual car is an old Golf IV from '99. Yes I'm cheap.
 

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