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[Timppaq]

First take on the VESA mounting for the screens. Not 100% finished yet, but something close to this could be worth a try.

Would anybody prefer / be more interested of this versus the earlier type?

(these can be optional of course, and the 3rd option would be without any screen mount)

edit,

little changes to prevent possible tilting/bending due all the weight. That might still be a problem.

So the bolt there acts as a stopper and after that is put on place, the threaded rod is used to push against it and hopefully that way get rid of most of the possible tilting forwards.


edit2,

pics updated, added front speakers also as found a nice place for them..

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Pics of the plastic handgrips for the screws. At certain places I could see me using these, quite handy but it's hard to tighten the screw really tight so when that is needed a normal nut at least in the other end is needed.

On the plastic bag there is the caps for the opening so you can get a nice clean look if yo like..

Please excuse the ridiculous usage of the bolts & washers

 

[Timppaq]

Little update to the VESA monitor support. Now it should be easier to adjust the height. In the earlier version was danger of the plates cutting to the aluminium bars and therefore might have been difficult to get the structure sliding up-down.

Now there is one more part (metal plate) needed, but this was so far the best solution I came up with.


I did some heavy duty testing last night with the aluminium bars I already have, and I don't think there should be any problems with bending etc. It's really really rigid stuff 👍 Generally 24" screens (as the size in the pics) weight around 6-8kg's. Should be no problem.

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edit, I made a monsta version of the rig. Just playing with the old idea of having a place for the ps3's. The fact is, they need to be somewhere, and preferrably not on the floor. (dust --> ylod)

But this is just a test, really the only changes to the prev. one is to have longer bars there.. + one plywood.

And the speakers have yet another new way to be positioned.

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Once more, maybe even only to prevent me from double posting all the time, some comments could be useful, thanks questions / good / bad I want it all.. 👍

 

[Radracing]

Looking good. Have you figured out the cost yet? cuz I was woundering if the "8020 Aluminum extrusion Frame 10 series " of Nicka117 would work. With some of your components that you have designed minus some parts that you can use from the 8020 set would it come out cheaper or more? Just curious cuz if you decide to mass market it and buy bulk from parts like the 8020 parts it might work to your advantage cost wise.

 

[nicka117]

Looking good. Have you figured out the cost yet? cuz I was woundering if the "8020 Aluminum extrusion Frame 10 series " of Nicka117 would work. With some of your components that you have designed minus some parts that you can use from the 8020 set would it come out cheaper or more? Just curious cuz if you decide to mass market it and buy bulk from parts like the 8020 parts it might work to your advantage cost wise.

hey Radracing, the route he is going by having a manufacturer produce the parts for him is much cheaper than doing the 8020 stuff. The 8020 stuff is very slick but expensive. Also, he is in Finland, which makes the 8020 stuff even more expensive.

The 10 series frame I have in the trading post is easily $200 worth of parts and it's only 1" square. A lot of guys probably want 1.5" square. If you are thinking of getting that one, you may want to wait because I'm going to sell one of my 15 series (1.5") prototypes also.

 

[LeftyWright69]

Hay Timppaq, what CAD program are you using? Very nice work 👍

 

[Timppaq]

Hey guys, thanks for the input 👍

Lefty, I use Catia V5 (R17).

About the cost, for a so little player as I am in the game ,anything outside of Europe could be quite expensive. But I have been playing with the idea of just selling only the needed parts (basically the core of the design) as a DIY setup. It's a simple job to buy & cut the aluminiums, bolts & nuts etc. As the design goes forward I do think the most efficient way to ship this thing to anywhere longer than Europe could be to ship only the parts you can't do yourself (ply's & the metal plates and the plastic end caps as well).

About the 8020... I actually have thought about using that stuff and for sure that is great stuff. But it can all be made so much cheaper if you only are willing to do some drilling and cutting. Quite simple I'd think. Even if those have unlimited adjustability, you do pay quite a big price for it.

So I really would like to get some feedback if this kind of DIY set could be the solution for all this shipping & costs thing. What do you lot think? My whole design is based on these laser cut metal parts that you really can't get from anywhere else. But the rest is plain simple for anyone to build. Even I could do it easily.

But for sure this all might be premature as I don't even have a full & ready working rig yet to show you guys. But the reality is that this will always remain as a kind of DIY, no matter if I do the drilling & cutting or if you do it yourself.

It's sad that I don't have all the possibilities & benefits that the 'real & big' companies have, but I'd still like to give an opportunity to anyone to have this 'creature' if one wishes so.

edit,

I think it's clear without saying that I'd include GOOD (better what you'd get from IKEA ) instructions etc.. and I also have already modelled a tool for you all still using inches & foots to get the measures right

 

[Radracing]

hey Radracing, the route he is going by having a manufacturer produce the parts for him is much cheaper than doing the 8020 stuff. The 8020 stuff is very slick but expensive. Also, he is in Finland, which makes the 8020 stuff even more expensive.

The 10 series frame I have in the trading post is easily $200 worth of parts and it's only 1" square. A lot of guys probably want 1.5" square. If you are thinking of getting that one, you may want to wait because I'm going to sell one of my 15 series (1.5") prototypes also.

Thanks for the offer but I already got my cockpit made and trying to figure out who to go with with regards to mass production. I had 16 made from China but my partner that was the main connection there just found out he had terminal cancer so he just wants to take it easy and backed out of the deal. Trying to connect with a Taiwanese guy now but have not met up yet.

 

[Timppaq]

So, I gave the seat section another go trying to reduce the total amount of parts, get rid of the fancy metal plates (cost), and at least make the seat section less complicated to put together. There was some other upsides too, as the vertical poles moved more backwards, I could make them longer and extend the shifter bar all the way to the seat pole. This makes a good place to mount your keyboard holder / diy handbrakes etc.. Also modified the plywoods so that they can easily be done by anyone. This will be a major save in costs and won't affect the functionality of the rig at all. The monitor metal plates are little smaller now too.

Oh and hoovering should be easier now!!

Any opinions would be appreciated, and if any ideas comes to mind I'm all ears.

Another thing. It looks like my strategy in selling these will be something like this..

- I'll ship only the metal plates & platic end caps.
- I'll incude work drawings for the plywoods & the aluminium bars. The only tools you'll need will be a saw (metal & wood) and a drill.
- Also if you have ideas of how would you like the ply's to be shaped, you just draw a picture for me and I'll do a .dxf drwing from the shape for machined (laser/water/CNC) manufacturing. (if you want different shape & professional finish)

The metal plates for the 1-screen setup (seen in pics below) will weight 3,5kg's and for the 3-screen setup 5,5kg as it stands now. So the shipping should not be a problem to anywhere..

For the record, when I was making the proto, I used 1h in total for cutting & drilling the aluminium bars. Ok, I had proper tools in my usage, but it's quite an easy task for anyone to do 👍 (of course there's now little time added to make the ply's, but it'll save some serious money).


pics;

edit,


for reference, here's the older version with 1 screen..

edit2,

just noticed a few errors in the pics, oops. (too much holes & one hole in wrong place...)

edit3,

adjusted the seat to horizontal level and corrected the mistakes I found..

edit4,

weights changed

edit5,

Also from now on you should forget that poll of course.

 

[nicka117]

I'd lower the seat tubes and put the seat support cross members on top. That way the person doesn't need to step over the tubes as much when getting in the cockpit. Other than that, it looks great!

It's so amazing that the most simple and effective design always occurs last to the mind. It's easy to make things complicated--very hard to make them simple. Great job!

 

[Timppaq]

👍 Thanks for the suggestion

And it looks like this..

So if there is no need to get the front end any lower, it can be that way too.. and if there is, then you can of course swap it back to the underside.

And it's true, simplest is the hardest to come up with..

 

[nicka117]

Perfect!

 

[Timppaq]

Another possible version, now with speakers.. Quite easy to add stuff as the lines are simple.

The footprint size is in these pics 1200mm x 690mm

 

[vompatti]

From audio perspective, speakers should be positioned on the same height as your ears

 

[Timppaq]

I agree 👍

edit,

finally, as this was by far the most wanted feature ( ) .. I added a safe place for the beer cans

 

[Prince4000]

Can't wait to see the finished product. looks great:tup:

 

[No46_TheDoctor]

Impressive, I admire the way you are prepared to alter things following suggestions and not just plough on with it, good job.

I also like the way you simplified the seat mounting, it really is as you say about keeping it simple, maybe I missed it, but I get the idea you are going to be selling this in some shape or form?

 

[Timppaq]

Can't wait to see the finished product. looks great

Me neither..

I hope it'll go from this point a little faster as I scrap the plywood manufacturer and do those myself. Btw, just noticed that I've modelled over 130 parts for the project.. (close to one premium car? )

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And thanks Doctor, I will sell only the metal parts but the rest will be really easy - a couple of hours job - to do with proper tools (complete work drawings of course included). This makes the shipping & cost much lower also for the "customer" (now I feel like I'd have a tuning shop)

Another thing. It looks like my strategy in selling these will be something like this..

- I'll ship only the metal plates & plastic end caps.
- I'll incude work drawings for the plywoods & the aluminium bars. The only tools you'll need will be a saw (metal & wood) and a drill.
- Also if you have ideas of how would you like the ply's to be shaped, you just draw a picture for me and I'll do a .dxf drwing from the shape for machined (laser/water/CNC) manufacturing. (if you want different shape & professional finish)

The metal plates for the 1-screen setup (seen in pics below) will weight 3,5kg's and for the 3-screen setup 5,5kg as it stands now. So the shipping should not be a problem to anywhere..

For the record, when I was making the proto, I used 1h in total for cutting & drilling the aluminium bars. Ok, I had proper tools in my usage, but it's quite an easy task for anyone to do (of course there's now little time added to make the ply's, but it'll save some serious money).

edit,

Impressive, I admire the way you are prepared to alter things following suggestions and not just plough on with it, good job.

👍 Of course, it only can get better if I see a reasonable suggestion. There's no point holding on to your 1st thought as it usually isn't the best possible. That's why I do encourage again everyone to say anything what comes to mind 👍 Discussion can only lead into better solutions. And, of course I'm not scrapping the old plans but as I'll now only ship the metals & the end caps, you pic your favourite design and that'll be it. 👍 Options, PD, options!! That's what makes people happy

 

[Defiler]

That is looking very nice. I think I want compatibility with the Frex SimConMOTION too much to go with that seating position.. but the other amenities in your design tempt me..

 

[Timppaq]

That is looking very nice. I think I want compatibility with the Frex SimConMOTION too much to go with that seating position.. but the other amenities in your design tempt me..

Hey thanks. To be compatible with Frex would take a lot of changes I guess, also I'd need the measures of the frex parts, which I obviously don't have. Some mid way solution might be possible, but you really would need a lot of the parts you'll get with the SimConMotion / FrexGP Cockpit :

Notice:
You need to arrange installation if you installed a seat rail or change frame layout or dimensions.
Additional bracket or modifications are needed depend on your seat size and bolt to bolt dimensions.

Following parts are separately required to complete:
FrexGP Cockpit

So it seems that some clever engineering would be needed... I'm sure it wouldn't be impossible to get working, but I have no idea of what special parts it would require. But anything is impossible.. just would need some more diy.

Basically what I'm trying to achieve here is a consederable option for those who doesn't mid doing a part of the job yourself. I know it's not for everybody but I really do enjoy doing something myself too Hopefully I'll get the price for the metal cuts sorted soon.

 

[Hendrik_597]

I created a table for my G25 with wood, material cost: 20€ and i needed 2hours, looks brilliant and if someone want a picture of that thing, just send me a message and tell me how i can post pictures without a link. =D

 

[Timppaq]

Don't be afraid to even make a new thread for your rig if you like 👍

Pics would be like this:

 

[Timppaq]

Little update..

I've been on holiday but after a needed rest I've still gotten a few ideas to simplify the rig. Once I get back to the pc I have Catia on I will test those ideas out and post some pics.

But the current proto is soon to be finished too. I am really disappointed with the plywood manufacturer.. just delays after delays. Worse than with pd!! Had a chat with them and will get a nice discount for the proto parts so that's ok. Early next week will get the seat too with the ply's so next week I should be able to give some comments of the rig in full action. Can't promise though, it seems that there is always something holding me down.

The seat is nice for the price though. Tested it when went to pick it up from Raitzi's place. Didn't have a car then though so had to leave it to my other mate's place still at that point but it did reassure me that the seat will be great for me. Happy with that.

Actually little itching already getting back to the project. So the hols have worked as supposed And I heard GT5 should be out soon too! Can you believe!!




EDIT,

Added few real life pics to the OP.

 

[Timppaq]

ok, guys. Who wants to see preview pics of the full operational proto 1.00 ? I have all the parts + the seat here and starting the assembly.... yay.

 

[the_greeze]

ok, guys. Who wants to see preview pics of the full operational proto 1.00 ? I have all the parts + the seat here and starting the assembly.... yay.

Yes please!

 

[Timppaq]

👍

Little moment, was busy playing gt5..








edit, little difficulties... Needed to get more beer from the store

..stay tuned..

 

[Timppaq]

Hey, sorry it took some time.. hard to get half-acceptable pics in this lightning & with this cam. And really these pics doesn't do it justice honestly. So, the first proto has it flaws, but this design is over 3 months old so I have all of them already covered in the next one

Anyway, here's a few pics sorry the mess in the room

The driving position is not 100% spot on, but that's why we have the adjustments there. Just put the parts on it. Getting late here...

And here's the design the above is based on.. (many moons old)

 

[Mr Latte]

Well done Timi on getting to this stage and actually having built what youve been planning for ages.

Youve put up with plenty of criticisims, err mainly mine and concerns. Well hey, gotta say seeing this above isnt it nice.
Enjoy GT5 my firend and you hope you like your nice red name now.

 

[Timppaq]

Oh ****, and now I only noticed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!eleven!!!1!

Thank you, sir!

👍 👍

oh, where were those tit pics.. hmmm....

 

[cpp214]

The rig is looking great Timo

I really like the look of the aluminum components.
The 80/20 tubing that is being used in a lot of DIY
cockpits is great, but using aluminum was a great move
I think. It really gives a polished look to the cockpit.

Looks sturdy and very adjustable too

I can't imagine it can get better than this, but if you say so
all I can say is wow! Great Job Can't wait to see how it
develops further.

 

[Grandi]

Will be there soon enough to test it, Timo

Congratulations on completion! 👍