Have microtransactions affected Gran Turismo 6?

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Have microtransactions affected Gran Turismo 6?

  • Yes

    Votes: 139 55.4%
  • No

    Votes: 90 35.9%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 22 8.8%

  • Total voters
    251
I am not completely against buy-your-shortcuts, but things should be fairly-priced: sad to see that some single cars (i.e. 250 GTO) cost more than twice the whole game and buying a 250 GTO would currently take me 1000 races (about 20,000 Cr. each). No comment.
 
If they sell 5 million copies of GT6 priced at £40 each then that would fetch them £200,000,000 is that not enough for them?

Actually the 40 GBP per game have to be shared by several parties:
- the state (value-added tax)
- the retailer (e.g. amazon/gamestop/...)
- the wholesaler who buys the games from Sony and sells them to the retailers
- PD
- Sony (who own PD and get licences per PS3-game, don't they?)

Therefore: PD receives far less than 40 GBP per game.
 
NO.

Having MT in the game isn't bad for us, it's irrelevant for the main gameplay, and it is just an aid for those "noobs" who never played a GT before. You just can't buy a game and pay for don't play it, c'mon people..
 
Undecided. For the way that I play, so far I feel no negative impact from their inclusion. Actually finding the progression of the career to be quite enjoyable(better than 5) and despite splurging on a couple of cars I haven't felt the need to purchase anything. The prize cars seem very deliberate and are allowing me to advance. Payouts do not seem particularly low. I seem to accrue credits pretty quickly and I remember far more grinding(early) in GT5. I haven't needed to rerace anything. I do know there will be a couple of things I will need to buy but I will have plenty in the bank for those. I don't remember how it started in GT5 with the seasonal events but I would like to see higher payouts there eventually. It was nice the M4 seasonal paid 100+K.
 
My guess is that they were told to include microtransactions against their wishes so they made them stupid expensive so that very few would bite. Unfortunately, all it did was provide fodder for the glitchers to use to justify their cheating.
 
NO.

Having MT in the game isn't bad for us, it's irrelevant for the main gameplay, and it is just an aid for those "noobs" who never played a GT before. You just can't buy a game and pay for don't play it, c'mon people..

I guess old timers that play this are noobs, or the long term fans that said they'd buy this due to time restraints of grindings. Bit insulting to say it's only for people who are new and have never played GT before.
 
For me, 'micro-transactions' taint the name of any game they are attached to. Paying substantial amounts of real money for coded money is completely insane to a gamer with a 25 year old habit.

They shouldn't exist, no one should ever have to pay to play in either excessive time or ca$h. Having to excessively grind games is a real joy killer too, progression should be fast and varied enough to be fun and rewarding.

$150 for Cr.21,000,000? I t just doesn't feel morally correct. Will there be vulnerable and gullible people around the World going without and getting into debt? Are they aimed solely at rich people who aren't affected by such a tiny amount of $$$ and everyone else is affected through low rewards ingame? Is it just plain old greed?

It's nice to see both GTAV & GT6 had some sort of exploit. Leads me to think that Sony push the inclusion of 'micro-transactions' in games and the glitches are added accidentally on purpose. Glitches and exploits are as old as gaming itself, long may they live on.
 
It has affected Sony and PD's image but hasn't affected GT6 thanks to the glitch. I still voted yes though as these monsters should not be allowed to do whatever they please. £120 for a digital car? Get real SONY even iRacing does not charge as much and they sell add on content.

If Sony and PD want to make extra cash then they should do so with providing us with DLC. They are flogging a dead horse with these MEGA TRANSACTIONS!

If they sell 5 million copies of GT6 priced at £40 each then that would fetch them £200,000,000 is that not enough for them?

If PD actually listened to us and gave better sounds in the first place they would not have a problem selling of GT6, but he wanted to argue the case with us saying that the problem is that the sound sounds too real!...lol Does he not realize that we the consumers are not 5 years old?

Kaz needs to start listening to people that actually know a thing or two about motorsports and stop being stubborn in his ways. The sound problem should of been at the top of changes list but seems as though it wasnt that important to them because they sold so many GT5. I wonder what they are thinking now?

*EDIT*

I would also like to add that if this silly practice continues on GT7 then I will not be purchasing a PS4, i'll just stick to PC sim's.
Agree absolutely, especially the bolded text.
 
I wonder if GT7 is going to be like World of Warcraft: You buy an initial game which is basically just the install disc and afterwards you're charged on a monthly basis for being able to play plus additional DLC-costs. This is where the gaming industry is heading to: constant cash flows.

And that is where GT will end for me if it goes that way.. I stopped iracing because it is extortionate and you own nothing at the end of the day.
 
I think they have slowed the game down a bit, which was needed. I blew through GT5 three times so fast. It seems like before you know it I had all the cars then I had three of all the cars painted how I wanted with different mods etc.. Everything cost a bit more now so you have to work a bit harder and be a bit more strategic with how you spend your money. (That is if your not taking advantage of the system).
 
I guess old timers that play this are noobs, or the long term fans that said they'd buy this due to time restraints of grindings. Bit insulting to say it's only for people who are new and have never played GT before.
I know there are busy people, and I don't know what's the point, when GT5, GT4, GT.. etc. were the same in this aspect. In some games you have to play a little more than in another, but always is the same thing. If you don't like the game because you can't buy the fastest or more expensive car, then sell the game, don't know another solution.
 
I know there are busy people, and I don't know what's the point, when GT5, GT4, GT.. etc. were the same in this aspect. In some games you have to play a little more than in another, but always is the same thing. If you don't like the game because you can't buy the fastest or more expensive car, then sell the game, don't know another solution.

Who made you arbiter again? Considering that GT4 was 10 years ago and how much life changes between then and now it's quite obvious why they might need it. They shouldn't be prohibted from playing because you have all the time in the world and they don't. They also shouldn't be labeled noobs by you. You're notion is ignorant and black and white which isn't realistic.

People should have the option to not grind and have seasonals, that's why I'm glad people are exploiting the glitch. Either way the point is if you really know there are busy people then you should understand why it will be used or why a better pay out system is needed.
 
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Who made you arbiter again? Considering that GT4 was 10 years ago and how much life changes between then and now it's quite obvious why they might need it. They shouldn't be prohibted from playing because you have all the time in the world and they don't. They also shouldn't be labeled noobs by you. You're notion is ignorant and black and white which isn't realistic.

People should have the option to not grind and have seasonals, that's why I'm glad people are exploiting the glitch. Either way the point is if you really know there are busy people then you should understand why it will be used or why a better pay out system is needed.
You don't understand. I didn't decide to put MT, PD did. And I didn't call noobs to busy people, I was refering to real noobs, those who never will get the S class.

People that doesn't have so much time to spend will get the money for the car sooner or later, that's not a problem, but for people who bought the game, and are new in this saga, they'll need MT, that's obvious. If they have the money, probably they'll pay for virtual money, just like others pay for clothes, DLCs, avatars, etc.

The ignorant is the one that don't see the things how they are.
 
You don't understand. I didn't decide to put MT, PD did. And I didn't call noobs to busy people, I was refering to real noobs, those who never will get the S class.

You generalized and lumped everyone you weren't descriptive and thus that's why I'm saying something. Also I never said anywhere that you alone put in MT, you defending the grinding which caused the MT issue is the problem.

People that doesn't have so much time to spend will get the money for the car sooner or later, that's not a problem, but for people who bought the game, and are new in this saga, they'll need MT, that's obvious. If they have the money, probably they'll pay for virtual money, just like others pay for clothes, DLCs, avatars, etc.

The ignorant is the one that don't see the things how they are.

Why would they automatically need MT? The fact that AI has a rubber band give up effect, or probably one of the most exploited glitches I've seen in a long time posted for everyone to learn and make instant money...

Yeah newer people are going to have tons of trouble, oh and let's not forget the maker said that they purposely designed the game with the priority of newer players in mind. So how it's obvious is beyond me but I love that you just throw out assumptions. Not everyone automatically buys DLC content and you should provide info proving your claim because your assumptions still show ignorance, but nice try at spinning BS you've put forth.
 
You generalized and lumped everyone you weren't descriptive and thus that's why I'm saying something. Also I never said anywhere that you alone put in MT, you defending the grinding which caused the MT issue is the problem.



Why would they automatically need MT? The fact that AI has a rubber band give up effect, or probably one of the most exploited glitches I've seen in a long time posted for everyone to learn and make instant money...

Yeah newer people are going to have tons of trouble, oh and let's not forget the maker said that they purposely designed the game with the priority of newer players in mind. So how it's obvious is beyond me but I love that you just throw out assumptions. Not everyone automatically buys DLC content and you should provide info proving your claim because your assumptions still show ignorance, but nice try at spinning BS you've put forth.
You called me "arbiter"..

Nobody is saying that they'll automatically need MT man, NOBODY, if they want to get a faster car and they can't, they will need MT, that's all. If they want to spend sooooo much money in this 🤬, it's ok, but the easier way is selling the game and problem solved.

My assumtions show ignorance, yeah, but you still don't understand the point of MT.
 
You called me "arbiter"..

Nobody is saying that they'll automatically need MT man, NOBODY, if they want to get a faster car and they can't, they will need MT, that's all. If they want to spend sooooo much money in this 🤬, it's ok, but the easier way is selling the game and problem solved.

My assumtions show ignorance, yeah, but you still don't understand the point of MT.

It's actually a pretty straight forward concept and I get it, and don't like it hence why I want PD to open up GT rather than have to come out in a few years and apologize about the in game credit system like a certain other group. Not like that would happen, considering all the other stuff they'll never apologize for.

You just said that they would go out and do it and only them, I shouldn't have to repost your quotes and highlight them. You said them they are there for people to see on this page and back. Read the damn AUP, if there is some language gap then say so, but you're going around acting as if you didn't just generalize a statement about MT.

The easier way is accommodating everyone that plays these games and not one specific group.
 
It's actually a pretty straight forward concept and I get it, and don't like it hence why I want PD to open up GT rather than have to come out in a few years and apologize about the in game credit system like a certain other group. Not like that would happen, considering all the other stuff they'll never apologize for.

You just said that they would go out and do it and only them, I shouldn't have to repost your quotes and highlight them. You said them they are there for people to see on this page and back. Read the damn AUP, if there is some language gap then say so, but you're going around acting as if you didn't just generalize a statement about MT.

The easier way is accommodating everyone that plays these games and not one specific group.
I didn't generalize, it was an example. And there's a gap, yes, but that isn't the point.

Maybe like this?

"Having MT in the game isn't bad for us, it's irrelevant for the main gameplay, and it is just an aid for those "noobs" mainly who never played a GT before"

BTW, everyone knows why MT are in this game, we are talking about why it is bad or good.
 
I didn't generalize, it was an example. And there's a gap, yes, but that isn't the point.

Maybe like this?

"Having MT in the game isn't bad for us, it's irrelevant for the main gameplay, and it is just an aid for those "noobs" mainly who never played a GT before"

BTW, everyone knows why MT are in this game, we are talking about why it is bad or good.

Yeah I'm also talking about why it's good or bad, I know everyone knows it's a feature already in the game. Not sure why you've said this...
 
Yeah I'm also talking about why it's good or bad, I know everyone knows it's a feature already in the game. Not sure why you've said this...
Then talking about noobs, busy people and veterans is not so strange, right?

MT is like standard cars in GT. It's better having this kind of features that not having them, at least that's my point of view.
 
Then talking about noobs, busy people and veterans is not so strange, right?

If you were doing that from the start, without me reminding you to do so then sure. Too bad that isn't how it was until now.

MT is like standard cars in GT. It's better having this kind of features that not having them, at least that's my point of view.

Yes cause why not fix the game when they can place smoke and mirrors instead of making the game a quality piece through out.
 
If you were doing that from the start, without me reminding you to do so then sure. Too bad that isn't how it was until now.



Yes cause why not fix the game when they can place smoke and mirrors instead of making the game a quality piece through out.
I had this discussion in another spanish forums, it's always the same. I knew those types of gamers, you too, so?

There are a lot of things that can be improve, but one thing is our demands, an another the maximum potential of the PS3. I'm actually happy with what we have in GT6, graphically talking. GT6 can be compared with any next-gen racing game, and IMO, GT6 is the most realistic. The only problem I see is the sound, that hopefully will be fix later.
 
I had this discussion in another spanish forums, it's always the same. I knew those types of gamers, you too, so?

There are a lot of things that can be improve, but one thing is our demands, an another the maximum potential of the PS3. I'm actually happy with what we have in GT6, graphically talking. GT6 can be compared with any next-gen racing game, and IMO, GT6 is the most realistic. The only problem I see is the sound, that hopefully will be fix later.

Here we go again with blaming the machine, and no one is talking about graphics either, you really have an affinity for tangents you know that? Also if you look at the graphics of FM5 and the close detail along with the newer lighting system I'd say that is more realistic, but this isn't a vs. thread so...

There are far more problems than just sound...
 
For me, 'micro-transactions' taint the name of any game they are attached to. Paying substantial amounts of real money for coded money is completely insane to a gamer with a 25 year old habit.

They shouldn't exist, no one should ever have to pay to play in either excessive time or ca$h. Having to excessively grind games is a real joy killer too, progression should be fast and varied enough to be fun and rewarding.

$150 for Cr.21,000,000? I t just doesn't feel morally correct. Will there be vulnerable and gullible people around the World going without and getting into debt? Are they aimed solely at rich people who aren't affected by such a tiny amount of $$$ and everyone else is affected through low rewards ingame? Is it just plain old greed?

It's nice to see both GTAV & GT6 had some sort of exploit. Leads me to think that Sony push the inclusion of 'micro-transactions' in games and the glitches are added accidentally on purpose. Glitches and exploits are as old as gaming itself, long may they live on.
YES! Instead of buying credits, I think, you should be able to buy the cars from the Playstation store. Kinda like on Shift 2 Unleashed, you just purchase the cars you want from PSN. Then there would be lower prices and your real money wouldn't be wasted in other things in the game. Unless the car you buy sucks.
 
In GT5 and every previous GT, you earned a fair amount of credits to see you through the game. They were easy to grind with prize cars to sell. There was the UCD and in GT5 bspec to aid getting the 20m cars for those hardcore, loyal players who played GT for one of its most satisfying features (collecting cars).

GT5 was the first online GT and it made sense for PD to increase payouts as the game got much older, but it gave the best payouts to the most determined, interested and skilled.

It is clear that winnings with the career in GT6 compared to GT5 have been far more than halved with its entirety. Content has been far more than halved and there is only a gradual credit progression with special event payouts to match them.

Most car prices have been reduced, but the drastic reduction in the SP payouts barely covers the cost of all the cars and repairs you will need for the one makes and the events. Leaving barely any credits spare for cars additional cars. The grind couldnt be made duller and you earn even less whilst repairing your vehicle unless you want to be unrealistic in your method, or glitch.

I never expected GT6 to be in this condition, GT6 has entered a new dimension. . . With the new Gen already out and now theyve announced GT7 in 2014/2015 Im surprised we arent flooded with credits.

The 56 people that voted 'no', I dont understand at all your perspective of GT6.

Premium cars generally cost more than standard cars.
All SP content gives hardly any spare credits after you buy all you need.
Grinding is exceptionally boring.
Withheld content.
No recurring prize cars, miniscule payouts.
Shortened races (payouts, Body degeneration)
Unfair opponents/ unfair grinds to match. Why not just fill the race with Bugatti, Toyota 7, FXX, Miura, Cobra, Huarya
Probably more,

Im guessing in a game like GT MT will have a better effect at release date and gradually die off, and they can change certain ingame things later. Or at least its a model theyve predicted will earn most revenue from without leaving players feeling alienated.

They couldve based GT6 on GT5 and the people who were going to buy probably still would have! That is the only opposing angle on the matter for me. That each GT6 and GT5 do both feel similar because of the car prices changing but once you compare the endgame outcome there is a substantial difference.

Also I personally preferred GT5's career. So much longer, more involving, more unpredictable, fairer rewards, more variety, more character, more satisfying at the end. GT6's career most compares to GT1.
 
TBH, I'm kinda neutral here. On one hand, the A-Spec career mode seems better than GT5 imo and I'm having a bit of an easier time collecting cars since some of them are cheaper than in GT5. On the other, there's less prize cars in this game than in GT5 to sell and I still can't rewin them.

So, it's possible that Sony did purposely had PD put low amounts of CR to earn in GT6 or something in order for some GT6 players to spend too much money on their Massive Transactions.
 
There's no denying that microtransactions affected GT6. I just don't think it's in a significant way. Sure it makes grinding a bit more tedious to get a car you really want, but even then in an hour or so you can easily afford a Lamborghini. It's more or less of a test of patience, if you wanna be lazy and pay, go for it. If you wanna earn a car after working hard, that's awesome too. Personally I couldn't buy the cars with microtransactions, it feels like I didn't earn it :p

So basically Yes, but not in a bad way.
 
Here we go again with blaming the machine, and no one is talking about graphics either, you really have an affinity for tangents you know that? Also if you look at the graphics of FM5 and the close detail along with the newer lighting system I'd say that is more realistic, but this isn't a vs. thread so...

There are far more problems than just sound...
The smoke isn't a graphic issue in GT6? What are you talking about then? You started to talk about fixes..
 
The smoke isn't a graphic issue in GT6? What are you talking about then? You started to talk about fixes..

And that just informed me it is a language barrier :lol:, I said "smoke and mirrors" it an English idiom. I was talking specifically about smoke detail in the game, sorry to have confused you.
 

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