Highcroft's Deltawing *Update: granted ALMS 2013 full entry! *

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  1. hawkeye122

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    Eh. They look somewhat similar. I see your point, but even adding classes isn't a great idea...

    But as far as performance goes, where will they all sit?
     
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    It's a shame that the ACO is moving to a Coupe-only format for the Prototypes, as the roadster LMP's would've helped further distinguish them when next to a DP.

    For 2014 things could be cut and dry, or quite difficult. We have four classes that could all adapt easily, and then two potential wildcards.

    The four that should be a no-brainer:
    -LMP2
    -DP (Modified)
    -GTE
    -GT (Who knows what kind of cars will be here.)

    The Wildcards are both supposedly going to appear in 2013, which could make things very difficult depending on how successful they are.
    -DeltaWing
    -GX Class

    Both could show up in very small numbers for 2013, be merged in 2014 and either die, or grow, but we'll see.

    To keep things on topic though, I really think the DW should become it's own class, and possibly take on elements that the Daytona Prototype currently employs, like no works entires, yet all entries using certain engines are supported by the manufacturers.

    In all honesty though, I think the DeltaWing and the GX class could make a great fit in their own sub-series, spending some weekends alongside the new series, and other weekends on the tracks that lose out on the merger, giving them a premier event. Call it the most green-innovative racing series on Earth.
     
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    ^I support this. Run the GX/DW thing in conjunction with that Formula Electric thing.
     
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    The Deltawing class could prove a draw for more manufacturers to supply engines. I'd imagine a turbo four would be more applicable to most manufacturers' line-ups than a screaming prototype V8 or a V10 diesel.

    And the modest power output means that they could be cheaper, both in terms of development and running.
     
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    This is not entirely "on topic", but regarding the DW's driver lineup for Petit Le Mans I can't help but to smile at the fact that:

    - Lucas Ordoñez in Poliphony Digital's golden boy. No source needed in gtplanet.

    - Gunnar Jeannette is Turn10's golden boy. source

    Probably just a coincidence, but an interesting one.

    And it begs the question (now completely OT) Which of these games - GT and FM - will feature the DeltaWing first? (/now completely OT)
     
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    Whichever pays Don Panoz $1m. Which I'm told is the licensing fee.
     
  7. Hun200kmh

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    Turn10 then I guess.

    But it surprises me if Nissan has no say in the matter.
     
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    I wouldn't be so quick to judge.

    Firstly, yes, I imagine Nissan might have a bit of lean. Secondly, MS may have the funding for this but I seriously doubt they'd go for it for one car. FM just isn't that much of a money-spinner for them - only one in every nine consoles has a copy of any one of the games, on average, though it could be as little as one in twenty X360 owners being FM players. The gross profit on FM is of the order of $25m, over the seven years the series has been going - around $3.5m a year. The odds of MS wanting to throw a third of the annual profit from FM on one car, unless it significantly enhances sales from the existing 5-10% range of all console owners, is slim.

    But they do have an ALMS deal (Don Panoz again) and DeltaWing will be racing in Grand-ALMS in 2013, allegedly...
     
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    Ok, I had no idea about how profitable FM is, that indeed is relevant in a decision-making process, thanks for sharing what you know (btw, according to what you know DP asks $1M including exclusive rights or is it $1M and he can still sell to others?)

    More on-topic, here a nice interview from Jeannette. Apparently they will test the track before the race but if the aero configuration can't be changed then I suspect the DW will have a really hard time at Road Atlanta

    http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/alms-qa-with-gunnar-jeannette/
     
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    I don't know whether the putative figure - and it is just rumour, but the source is creditable from my point of view - confers exclusivity or not.
     
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    For that much frigging money, it had BETTER be exclusive.

    You could buy exclusive pictures of Princess Kate's womanly bits for that much.
     
  12. sumbrownkid

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    You knowing the prices of the pictures of Princess Kate's womanly bits is a bit interesting Niky.:)
     
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    Precisely. With all the manufacturers that use, or are beginning to use, small displacement turbo 4's in their cars in the US, I can't see any reason why they wouldn't jump at the chance for their engines to compete in a platform designed to make them shine.

    And I think Panoz needs to realize he has to lighten up his grip on the licensing issue. The Video game platform would be a great opportunity to build interest from the fans about the car. When the fans realize they like it, they'll (hopefully) start screaming for it. Then, suddenly, manufacturers and teams take notice and start hopping into the car.
     
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    This picture was posted on twitter about 30 minutes ago by Highcroft Racing

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    With this text:
    Ready to start #nissandeltawing testing at @RoadAtlanta with @lucasordonez and @gunnarjeannette #ALMS

    Wishing them a productive session :tup:
     
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    Highcroft released a few pics from their tests at Road Atlanta. You can see them here:

    http://www.deltawingracing.com/images/nissan-deltawing-road-atlanta-testing-2/

    My favourite:

    http://www.deltawingracing.com/picture/2012-09-23 at 17-32-23.jpg?pictureId=16375371

    And Ben Bowlby's audio commentary on those testing sessions. Past the usual PR and self-praise he really sounds happier than I would have thought (I don't think the DW is suited to race at Road Atlanta). Maybe it's just the fact that the car was allowed to race once more:

    http://soundcloud.com/highcroft-racing/ben-bowlby-road-atlanta-test
     
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    The Delta Wing doing one lap at Road Atlanta, by Lucas Ordoñez



    I'm impressed. And it must be odd for a racing driver to hit the apexes with the rear tyres, not to point the front to them. But after a few laps it should become natural/routine driving procedure ... I guess :crazy:


    This is what I mean. Apparently Lucas just "knows" (already) how to do it right.

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    Awesome looking and sounding... Like a superbike on steroids...
     
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    And now it's Gunnar Jeannette speaking. Great writeup of what must have been a fantastic "first day at the office".

    IN THE COCKPIT: Gunnar Jeannette, driving the DeltaWing




    My favorite part, it relates to many of us:

     
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    The DeltaWing (or DeltaWings? ) will enter as full competitor(s) the ALMS 2013 championship!!!


    And its entry at Petit Le Mans will be used to collect the data needed to sort out its regulations, so the car gets balanced with the competition (I'll suppose they'll try to "balance" it with the LMP2 class, but that's just me speculating)


    Being a fan of this car and concept (especially because of it being "wingless", I'm with Jochen Rindt on the hate towards wings since ... ever) I can say these news made me VERY HAPPY !!!! :) :tup:
     
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    Who is this guy???


    Highcroft's twitter refers to him as "ABC/ESPN's Johnny O'Connel" so I thought a journalist. But now I see he is doing laps at Road Atlanta with the rest of the field and did a respectable - 1:16.383 - lap time.

    EDIT - Ok I checked ... veteran factory Corvette driver, somehow I never noticed his name in the several Le Mans entries he was in :dopey:
     
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    :lol: No one should forget who he is!
     
  24. Hun200kmh

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    Ok, I don't know who was the driver that did it, but the DeltaWIng today has shown that it doesn't fear a twisty up'ndown track like Road Atlanta.

    - 5th overall with a 1:13.462

    - 3,31 secs behind leader (LMP1 car)

    - 0,44 secs behind LMP2 class leader

    - better than all other LMP2 cars.


    I am delighted by this achievement. :)


    EDIT - What Johnny O'Connell had to say about his experience
    http://soundcloud.com/highcroft-racing/abc-espns-johnny-oconnell
     
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    I think I won't spoil the "Le Mans General Thread" with something so specific to the Highcroft / Nissan DeltaWing team, so I'll just put it here. It's the entire list of tweets (newest at the top) they wrote ever since the accident up to now. With the links to the several pictures they took of their "work in progress".

    A full night awake to rebuild the car, they decided to rest the team and sit out the morning session, they'll return in the next one. Amazing effort nonetheless.


    And John Dagys from Speed just published this:

    DeltaWing rebuild looking good so far
    http://twitpic.com/b581py/full
     
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    i heard it came in 6th place overall in the race. if its true, great job for the deltawing and team
     
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    This turbo 4 engine in that Delta Wing, is there any talk of Nissan using them for LMP1 or LMP2 for the 2014 regs?

    Besides the project briefing for half the power half the consumption, I figure Nissan is also using this to develop the engine.
     
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    wow this is awesome for the deltawing. it could have been a good competitor for a top 10 finish at le mans
     
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    I know there are no "WHAT IF's" in motorsport but ...

    IF :D ...

    The powers that be at Road Atlanta didn't:
    a) put the Deltawing at the back of the entire field for race start;
    b) forbid the DeltaWing to unlap itself under yellows;

    I guess the DW would have finished P2 (unclassified after, but the distance would be there) , just after the winning Rebellion and in front of the entire LMP2 field.

    This tweet was written by Jeannette during the race and while Lucas was at the wheel:


    And there's a low intensity war of words still going. Quite funny actually (The Lewis Hamilton reference is hilarious) but I do feel Jeannette is genuinely pissed at some naysayers.

    Here an excerpt


    Love this last one :)