HKS CT230R Tuner or Racer?

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Tuner or Racer?

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CarBastard
Though I voted "Tuner", because the car is classified in GT5 as a Tuner (being listed in the Tuner section, being "Tuner priced", having Tuned car Sports Soft tyres, and appearing in all kinds of Tuner events) it's by no means a Tuner. It's a monster. A tuner, by my books, is a lightly or heavily modified street car or street based car that bears resemblance to the real thing and keeps most of the original's car bodywork. This "Evo", unlike all Evo's in the world bar the WRC racing ones, is fully made of carbon fiber, features a racing-spec sequential gearbox, a carbon fiber wing attached to it's chasis, the computer power of the whole Apollo program just for it's injectors, a completly stripped and rigidity-reinforced interior, a single seat and no headlights. Tell me, wasn't that the definition of a purpose-built Racing car?
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CarBastard
Read. Letters. In. Bold. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Read letters in red. Wow.

I won't say anything more to you and your bigoted ways of discussion.
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Let's drop the name-calling, shall we? You might want to look for some consistency in your arguments. You voted for one, made a logical case for why it isn't what you voted for, and now you're not only playing the middle ground - you're also taking a condescending high-road. Give me a break.
 
Villain
Read letters in red. Wow.


Let's drop the name-calling, shall we? You might want to look for some consistency in your arguments. You voted for one, made a logical case for why it isn't what you voted for, and now you're not only playing the middle ground - you're also taking a condescending high-road. Give me a break.
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Strangely CounterZ23 voted for tuner but argued for racer as well :indiff:
 
Settle down... Everyone. This topic is very close to being shutdown. What should have been an interesting discussion, has turned into a flame war.

Keep your heads cool, kids, and stop with the name calling.

This is a warning.




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I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but what tyres does the HKS come with? All the race cars come with Racing Hard tyres, to the best of my knowledge. I voted tuner.
 
atiger
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but what tyres does the HKS come with? All the race cars come with Racing Hard tyres, to the best of my knowledge. I voted tuner.
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Sports Soft, I believe.




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CarBastard
And I'm fixed on it being neither of them as I said :sly:. In the interest of a conciliatory conclusion, I think we could agree with this "Middel point" given that it's not built for the specifications of any racing category but it's more than a simply modified road car. The fact it has no headlamps means it's very focused on weight savings for performance purposes, but it renders it useless for a good number of racing categories (Say, SuperGT or any kind of Endurance racing) and for road use. It's body work shows it's not using the same shell of a factory Evo, but it also shows that it isn't quite intended for racing, as other "Race cars" like the SuperGT ones have had way more aerodynamic development and look more extreme than the Evo.
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I had no idea aesthetic involvement qualified one car to be more of a race car than another. Are you having fun? And dare I say that by your rationale, a GT3-RSR is not a race car, a Z06.R is not a race car, a C6.R is not a race, the R8 LMS is not a race car, the Matech GT is not a race car. Why? Because they don't have enough "aerodynamic development" or whatever the hell point it is you're attempting to prove. Which you haven't because it didn't make an ounce of sense.

At all.

It's, like in the Zonda R/FXX example I already pointed out, an extremely modified fast car and wether it's a Tuner or a Racer depends entirely on your point of view.
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Except the FXX was raced in privately-sanctioned events held by Ferrari, on race tracks, where all of the participants fought for positions. I don't really know how else to prove that the FXX is a race car; there's no point of view perception involved.

I think the same way, I see them more as Motorsport Gatherings or Competitions rather than traditional races (with a pole position, a grid, a set number of laps/distance, and pit stops). Not that I try to devaluate such an amazing category of motorsport!
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Come again?

I'm certain that a race is a competition, and since when did the involvement of pit stops/strategies qualify an event to be more of a race than any other? That's about as foolish as saying...well to be honest, I can't really think of anything stupid. Anyway you realize that essentially every bit of your argument would negate the purpose of qualifying? Because what's qualifying? A series of ran laps where those involved race to take the pole position by setting the fastest lap.

Sound familiar? It should because that's what a Time Attack race is.
 
CarBastard
It's, like in the Zonda R/FXX example I already pointed out, an extremely modified fast car and wether it's a Tuner or a Racer depends entirely on your point of view.
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The Zonda R & FXX are racing cars, end of story. There is no "tuned" anything regarding those cars.
Like the Koenigsegg CCGT, they are race cars that aren't actually eligible for any sort of racing series.

As for the HKS, I consider it a race car considering how much work has gone into it. Hell, the name HKS seems to be the only reason people might see it as a tuner.
 
What the hell is a "Road Car" on "Racing Tyres"?

Is it a Tuning Car , is it a Race Car or is it just dumb to put Race Tyres on a Road Car?


raVer
 
I'd consider it a race car, but I don't know what series it would race in. As stated before, I'd consider it a car like the FXX or Zonda R. If I saw it at a track day, I'd consider it a race car.
 
ZeGermanBastorD
Easy question. :)

Front wing adjustable = race car

Front wing not adjustable = road car


F.e. the Enzo, Mucielago, McLaren F1, etc. are road cars & the Zonda R, G37, Blitz ER34, all race modded cars, the stealth cars, etc. are race cars. :sly:
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Doesn't go like this.

G37, Blitz ER34 and some other cars with adjustable front wing (S2000 GT1 Turbo, Speed 12 and some other one-of-a-kind road going versions of LM cars come to mind) are street legal cars and thus should be allowed in an online lobby stating "no race cars." No comments if that's a fair game against regular street cars but that's not the point here. ;)

PD should make it able for us to make more choices what kind of cars one could take to an online race. Adjustable front/rear wing could be one. And street legality too...
 
Villain
Who's street laws? They are different everywhere.
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Why does it matter? If a car is legal in for example half of the countries and illegal in the other half what is it? A street legal car or just a race car? Street legal of course. 👍

Edit: And I'm talking about more civilized countries... I doubt there are a lot of regulations in some third world countries for cars.
 
The point I was getting at is that PD couldn't really put that in as an option. That's a topic for another thread, though.
 
Terronium-12
That...is the sexiest thing I've seen all month. :drool:
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As it is now, sponsored by Cobb Tuning.

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Ear sex:
(in-car starts at 1;50)
 
Just awesome.

You can hear the rear compounds screeching toward the end. :D

I need a project car, like, right now.
 
It's a tuner car. It's not a tuned car, being a custom chassis and such, but it's also not a race car. It's a track car designed by a tuning company to set hot laps, not really to race, so it's a tuner car.
 
Point 1:

Downforce or lack of it does not determine what is a race car. Many racing series have restrictions on the amount of downforce you can use. Some open wheel Formulas actually allow no downforce enhancements.

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Point 2:

The CT230R is not comparable to an FXX. The FXX is not built specifically for any racing series and is not eligible for any. It is built specifically for track use, though. The HKS car is built specifically to meet the criteria for a time-attack series.

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Point 3:

Tires determine nothing. There are racing series and events that are tire limited.

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Point 3:

The fact that the car is based on a street car means nothing. Touring cars are built with street car shells. Most series also limit them to stock suspension mounting points and stock engine displacement... which makes them even less like "racing cars' than the HKS EVO.

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Point 4:

A time attack is a race. It is the equivalent of a tarmac rally event staged on a closed circuit, as in the ROC events, WRC stadium events or WRC Tarmac stages. Even if it isn't wheel-to-wheel, it's still racing.

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To sum up:

Built for racing? Check.

Legal in a professional racing series? Check.

Thus, racing car. No opinion in this, just the facts.
 
Eric.
A tuner car or a race car? :p



BTW, the GT-R has around 1000awhp. :drool:
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Jesus Christ. :drool:

Erm...race car? No, tuner car? No...both?

Colonelcool125
It's a tuner car. It's not a tuned car, being a custom chassis and such, but it's also not a race car. It's a track car designed by a tuning company to set hot laps, not really to race, so it's a tuner car.
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I want you to re-read that and then re-read it again, and finally, one more time. Does it make sense yet? It sure as hell doesn't make sense to me.

And you realize that as a time attack car it's racing to set a fastest lap. Allow me to reference my Qualifying logic again; are the drivers not racing to see who can set the fastest lap with what they're given? Are they not racing to be on the pole position?
 
Really, the distinction is drawn at how the car starts I feel. A race car is often built one off from a custom frame, while tuner cars are generally built off a tuned platform from the factory. Even if they look a like, the under pinnings are generally very, very different.

Of course, you can also look at the application for this debate - is it meant to be a a bit quicker or set a record? Former means a tuner, later is purpose built for racing in some sense.
 
This car is not even close to be street legal with all the mods they did to it! The only thing that remain EVO is the Shape! Even with the 4g63 bored, we are far from the OEM engine. WAKE UP

Ask yoursef some simple questions:

Does the car have an ashtray? -> NO. Find me a race car with it.

Does is have a Roll Cage? -> YES. Roll cage are built for driver security over chassis rigidity.

Is it Street Legal?-> Ask a policeman if this car is legal for public road... with NO HEADLIGHTS.

Go read the description of the car, and you will have your answer, AGAIN.

ITS A RACE CAR BUILD FOR LAPPING AND TIME ATTACK EVENTS.

Race car, again I'll say it.
It just bugs my mind how 57.05% of the community thinks otherwise.
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+1000
 
Sonicwave
This car is not even close to be street legal with all the mods they did to it! The only thing that remain EVO is the Shape! Even with the 4g63 bored, we are far from the OEM engine. WAKE UP

Ask yoursef some simple questions:

Does the car have an ashtray? -> NO. Find me a race car with it.

Does is have a Roll Cage? -> YES. Roll cage are built for driver security over chassis rigidity.

Is it Street Legal?-> Ask a policeman if this car is legal for public road... with NO HEADLIGHTS.

Go read the description of the car, and you will have your answer, AGAIN.

ITS A RACE CAR BUILD FOR LAPPING AND TIME ATTACK EVENTS.



+1000
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Indeed.
 
Let's see.

  • Custom Chassis - Check
  • Race Prepped Engine - Check
  • Lack of Interior - Check
  • Lightened to the extreme - Check
  • Carbon Fibre body - Check
  • Only the drivers seat - Check
  • Races Super GT cars at HKS Premium Day - Check

Yep, that's a race car all right.
 
and the same apply FOR ALL TUNERS CARS YOU HAVE DOUBTS ABOUTS. And BTW, Race Mods (RM) Cars are not tuner/street car anymore after you do the mod.

Its a shame having to educate people on this everytime when i put up my own racing servers...
 
Seems to be a race car. Tuned cars are ordinary cars with this that and the other done to it to make it feel like a racer. However, race cars (like the HKS imo), are basically bult from scratch with high-end parts (like the HKS) and then put under a lightweight body (HKS).
 
it's absolutely a tuned car, it's a modified EVO that you could buy in a dealership, not a custom built race car like the GT500's or LMs
 

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