HKS CT230R Tuner or Racer?

[Tornado]

it's absolutely a tuned car, it's a modified EVO that you could buy in a dealership, not a custom built race car like the GT500's or LMs

You can't buy anything remotely like the CT230R in a dealership.

 

[GYMKHANA_RYAN4]

This thread ain't going nowhere.
You can't teach 57% of the community what's right.

Or, you could be wrong

Just because you think it's a race car doesn't mean it is (see and earlier post of mine).

Many people, me included have agreed that it is quite possibly neither.

Also as mentioned earlier (if you read it) I set up this thread to find out opinions.

Your opinion may be that it's a race car, don't try to shut a thread down or boss your way around without considering and respecting others opinions. 👎

I'm out for now

 

[Sonicwave]

Or, you could be wrong

Just because you think it's a race car doesn't mean it is (see and earlier post of mine).

Many people, me included have agreed that it is quite possibly neither.

Also as mentioned earlier (if you read it) I set up this thread to find out opinions.

Your opinion may be that it's a race car, don't try to shut a thread down or boss your way around without considering and respecting others opinions. 👎

I'm out for now

We understand your points, but in real life, the FACTS are that this car IS and will be considered a RACE CAR by any officials and authoritys.

 

[G36E]

It's a tuned car, not a race car.

 

[arora]

HKS calls it a 'racing performer'. As far as the game goes I would not call it a race car, kinda like the s2k or the zonda r to me.


LOS ANGELES (November 13, 2007) - HKS USA, Inc., the premier manufacturer and supplier of automotive performance systems and parts, is proud to announce that HKS' Racing Performer CT230R Circuit Time Attack Car driven by Nobuteru Taniguchi (NOB) shattered both the Super Lap Battle Track Record and the Overall Single Lap Track Record at Buttonwillow Raceway during the Superstreet and Eurotuner Super Lap Battle Competition. Competing in the Group A (Unlimited AWD) category, the HKS Racing Performer CT230R Circuit Time Attack Car broke the previous record

Taken from here http://www.hksusa.com/info/?id=3411 interesting read 👍

 

[Villain]

it's absolutely a tuned car, it's a modified EVO that you could buy in a dealership, not a custom built race car like the GT500's or LMs

You are completely wrong on every level, kiddo.

Many people, me included have agreed that it is quite possibly neither.

Yet, you voted tuner. You only switched to neither when you found you can't prove this car to be a tuner and all of the evidence (not opinions) given proved the car to be a racer. Your "opinion" --or lack thereof-- is just a demonstration of your willingness to fly in the face of facts with an attitude of "If I can't be right then no one is! The car is not a race car or a tuner! We're all wrong!" Sorry bud, it's a race car.

 

[Zenith]

I think people see the Evo body and assume it's a tuner, quite sad that nobody researches stuff anymore.

Race car. Inarguable.

 

[Villain]

I think people see the Evo body and assume it's a tuner, quite sad that nobody researches stuff anymore.

Race car. Inarguable.

That's right. One of this first points I made: The HKS is as much of an Evo as a Toyota NASCAR is a Camry.

 

[Counter_Z23]

I think that people automatically think that this car is a tuner because it is made by HKS, which is a tuning company.

But this car is built from scratch and isn't a tuned verson of anything.

Also, the car doesn't have to actually enter a race series to qualify as a race car. For example, if Red Bull decide to make the X2010 but don't race it, it's still a race car because of its charateristics.

This is a race car.

 

[freedomweasel]

I have to wonder if the results would be different if HKS didn't make the car.

Also, amusing that there is a poll for a factual yes/no question.

 

[Villain]

I think that people automatically think that this car is a tuner because it is made by HKS, which is a tuning company.

But this car is built from scratch and isn't a tuned verson of anything.

Also, the car doesn't have to actually enter a race series to qualify as a race car. For example, if Red Bull decide to make the X2010 but don't race it, it's still a race car because of its charateristics.

This is a race car.

But the X2010 has working headlamps!

I have to wonder if the results would be different if HKS didn't make the car.

Also, amusing that there is a poll for a factual yes/no question.

No, OP made it clear that this is about opinions! Or at least his opinion.

 

[Shmorgusborg]

So I finally got this car and I must say, I think it's a Racer. I just don't feel the tuner aspect to it.

 

[GYMKHANA_RYAN4]

But the X2010 has working headlamps!




No, OP made it clear that this is about opinions! Or at least his opinion.

Actually I think you'll find that I've been asking everyone to respect others opinions, and no, it's far from being about my opinion.

I changed my mind to neither later on, not because (according to you) I was 'losing' an argument about clashing opinions, but rather I felt that the points being made for it being neither tuner or racer held more truth than either side of the discussion. I voted for tuner before I really considered this 'middle' category .

Since this is my first poll I have no idea how to add an extra option for voting.

 

[Terronium-12]

it's absolutely a tuned car, it's a modified EVO that you could buy in a dealership, not a custom built race car like the GT500's or LMs

Where? Where can you buy that same spec CT230R?

Nowhere, that's where.

 

[G.T.Ace]

To be honest, I would also call it a Tuner, because it's built by a Tuning Company and because it isn't driving in any class, nor is it homologated for anything. For me it is a kind of "showcar" to prove what a company like HKS is capable of.

Did it actually participate in a "race" or just in time attacks?

 

[Villain]

To be honest, I would also call it a Tuner, because it's built by a Tuning Company and because it isn't driving in any class, nor is it homologated for anything. For me it is a kind of "showcar" to prove what a company like HKS is capable of.

Red Bull isn't a tuner company, but the X2010 wouldn't drive in any class and it fits that similar build as a "showcar" to demonstrate a similar concept to the one you mentioned. Would that be a tuner as well?

Ultimate Racer: THE HKS CT230R EVO

Just like the Lamborghini Reventon that Rod and Dino featured, you can spend a lot of time studying all the visual details of the CT230R. From certain angles it looks a bit like other Evo time attack cars, but from others the work that HKS has put in to perfect this car becomes strikingly clear. Again, this is more like a Super GT race car than a typical tuner-built demo car.

They do call it a tuner, but with a great reluctance:

What's better? Saving the best for last, or starting things off with a bang? Right now I'm going to choose the latter. To kick off Speedhunters AWD month, I'm going to feature what just might be the greatest tuner car of all time. To even call the HKS CT230R a tuner car is a bit of a stretch, but since the car is built and campaigned by one of the world's biggest tuning companies I'd say the name fits. I got to spend some time inspecting every surface of this monster when I visited the HKS factory in Japan last winter, and have been patiently waiting until now to post this feature.

It appears that they only allow the label "Tuner" because of the affiliation to HKS. To me, this is like calling a Saleen S7 a tuner because Saleen is a tuning part brand, but that's an imperfect analogy.
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Did it actually participate in a "race" or just in time attacks?

According to this:

A)Time-attack credentials:

My first personal encounter with the car came at the 2007 Super Lap Battle event at Buttonwillow Raceway. HKS shipped the car all the way to the United States so it could leave its mark on the American time attack record books. During that event, the CT230R absolutely dominated, setting a record time of 1:43.523 which was around five seconds quicker than the previous record holder.

Earlier in 2007, the CT230R had set the Tsukuba time attack record with a scorching 53.589 lap time - one that has yet to be beaten by other tuners in Japan. Besides Tsukuba Circuit, HKS and NOB have also toured around Japan's great race tracks, setting records at places like Autopolis, Suzuka Circuit, and Fuji Speedway. The car even took a trip to Malaysia to run at the famous Sepang Circuit.

B) Other than Time-Attacks:

With its grip on the record books secure (for now), the newest duty for the CT230R is challenging Super GT race cars during the HKS special events at Fuji Speedway. When I shot the car back in February, the car had just returned from its match against the WedSport IS350 and GT300 BMW Z4 at the HKS Premium Day.

You can read the rest if you want (it's fascinating), but I really understand the writer getting the message across that this car is as much of a tuner as an X2010 is a Formula 1 car. There are some similarities, but they are worlds apart.

The X2010 was an example of what could be done with an F1 car that had none of the limitions (or at least that's how it started), I see that as an appropriate analog to the HKS CT230R Evo -- except the Evo is real, of course.

 

[Machate-man]

In my opinion, the CT230R is a "sillhouette racer" meaning that it looks quite similar to the road car, but is purpose built to be Fast.

An example of this is the ISF Racing Concept, albeit with an outrageous body aero...

 

[alvin23a]

It's a purpose built Time Attack car that purely exists to beat everything else around Tsukuba. Not built to any racing category per se but definitely not streetable either...

This is the right answer.

 

[Villain]

I'm pretty sure that the AWD Unlimited Class is a racing category. Not unlike the Suzuki Escudo Pikes Peak. Why must there be other cars on the track simultaneously for an event to be considered a "race?" Just about every rally event on the planet has cars racing in a time-attack fasion (exceptions to X-Games and Dakar/Baja type endurances). Are those not races? I don't understand why it is so hard to fit the HKS CT230R Evo in the racing category for you guys. It's awfully hard to hold an official track record when you aren't in an official class.

 

[Zenith]

Where did this "Time Attacks aren't races." nonsense come from? Are these not race cars?

They don't perform overtaking maneuvers, they don't have other drivers to compete with... They're against a "clock" (and by clock I mean other times set by other drivers whom they are... wait for it... racing)

It was built like a racing car, it competes like a racing car. It's a racing car.

 

[GYMKHANA_RYAN4]

Where did this "Time Attacks aren't races." nonsense come from? Are these not race cars?

They don't perform overtaking maneuvers, they don't have other drivers to compete with... They're against a "clock" (and by clock I mean other times set by other drivers whom they are... wait for it... racing)

It was built like a racing car, it competes like a racing car. It's a racing car.

Ahh but they must be road legal as well to drive between stages

 

[Yev]

it's absolutely a tuned car, it's a modified EVO that you could buy in a dealership, not a custom built race car like the GT500's or LMs

GT500 are made from GTRs, NSXs, SC430s - are those tuners?
Seriously...wow.

 

[GYMKHANA_RYAN4]

GT500 are made from GTRs, NSXs, SC430s - are those tuners?
Seriously...wow.

You rather like yourself don't you.

Yeah he's wrong but there are more polite ways of telling him that

 

[mafia_boy]

Ahh but they must be road legal as well to drive between stages

Wrong. Rally cars have special registration from the road authorities, which mean they can only LEGALLY drive on the road between the special stages for their racing, and if it's on the road at anytime other than those roads, the person driving gets hauled over the coals by the local cops (and the owner too). They aren't road legal.

Obviously you've never been to a rally before.

 

[turbo^]

Racer. 'Cause it's a time-attack car.

 

[stanong11]

http://www.performancecar.co.nz/art...ks-ct230r-mitsubishi-lancer-evo-viii-ct9a-136

Tuner!!

 

[Zenith]

A car being road legal doesn't matter. Are you seriously suggesting that rally cars are tuners?

http://www.performancecar.co.nz/articles/mitsubishi/ultimate-warrior-hks-ct230r-mitsubishi-lancer-evo-viii-ct9a-136

Tuner!!

Umm... No? If that article proved anything, it's that the car is built by a tuning company FOR RACING.

 

[-raVer-]

Le Mans cars are build as Race Cars as well as the Formulas.

Rally Cars , DTM´s , GT300/500´s , Super GT´s are more or less modified/tuned Road cars.


My 0.02

raVer

 

[freedomweasel]

Le Mans cars are build as Race Cars as well as the Formulas.

Rally Cars , DTM´s , GT300/500´s , Super GT´s are more or less modified/tuned Road cars.


My 0.02

raVer

If by "modified and tuned" you mean, with a different engine, drivetrain, and often a different chassis, then yes.

Few race series have cars that are actually built from their street models.

 

[Villain]

Ahh but they must be road legal as well to drive between stages

That is relevant, how? If a jockey rides his thoroughbred to the track to race, it's still a horse and it's still a race horse. Your pedantic finger-pointing proves nothing.

I'm actually surprised this thread has gone this far. Really, people?