Holden and Ford...

[Brock5000]

and with a bit of head work and a nice 8 throttle body manifold, 427 isn't too far away

I've done up a red monaro in the game to as close to the 427 spec as possible (stage 2, heads, blueprinting etc.), only thing missing is the pipes on each side, the little bonnet vents and the black tail lights. I found the right OZ racing wheels, though they are white rather than the alloy finish irl.

I've actually got eight monaros in my garage of varying specs, from stock right up to a yellow racing one done up like the 7l bathurst monster. I'll post some pics in the photo forum when I get around to it

 

[Jay]

Eight Monaros , I havent even tried an Aussie car yet except the FPV GT licence test.

 

[slammer]

Viper,

Go and find out what the rest of the world has been missing,

I've owned several over the last 3 decades and I love every one of them.

I also signed petitions for "V8's until '98" way back when they were threatened by extinction..

Give em a go they're honest, hard working, and for <20K AUS you'll pick up a nice pursuit SS which you then strip and make a track monster IRL :-)

 

[Glut]

3. The HPV V6 is a Global Design, made in Australia and is found in Cadillacs (1st export) Commodores, Alfa Romeo (2006) and most other high performance V6 clients within the GM Worldwide Brands / Parts List.

Just to be a pedant...
The HPV V6 is no longer made in Australia after a supplying company went belly-up. They're now imported from Canada along with the v8s.

 

[somebody]

Time for my 2 cents worth...

As far as the Holden engines being American/Canadian, this is true but because of the different platform it has to sit in (Commodore vs. Corvette) there are plenty of Australain bits in it replacing the US stuff (intakes, headers,fuel systems etc...) which is why they are partly put together out here. Along with the different chip setup, this explains the difference in performance between our GenIII/IV's and theirs.

As to why the Fords and Holdens are different on the road and track...

The Ford chassis has more understeer built in than the Holden. This is intentional and has to do with safety and comfortable road feeling. Holdens, while still having understeer built in, are much "straighter" allowing them to handle better at speeds. This is best shown in the V8Supercars where all the Ford drivers comment on understeering in corners but the Holdens wriggle around more under power.

 

[marto]

I love holden vs ford debates .. especially when its mainly only holden people trying to add there two cents and desperate to prove that holden is a better car. For the typhoon clutch failing, yeh i was dissapointed .. thats a mistake .. every car breaks.

Well why dont you dig up some old issues of wheels and motor and see how many problems they have had with power steering and oil problems in HSV series and you'll easily see that .. "every car breaks".

Now for the cars in the game, I bought an FPV GT thinking it would be pretty crap, but fully worked it is such a good car to drive, handles so well and like its been said the typhoon is a great drifter. With just over 5 million credits i still havent tried the cv8 or the ss. But ive heard the monaro wen i was racing my mate in 2 player and it sounds better then the falcons. Though if u were to compare a cv8 monaro with the ls1 vs a fpv gt .. i think u will clearly hear the gt has more of a v8 sound. But an aftermarket exhaust can change that and both the LS1 and LS2 and the BOSS engines sound awesome with exhausts.

*expecting plenty of holden people to have a go at me now *

marto

 

[Rogue8]

Well a nice 3" twin exhaust, remapped chip big intake and warm street cam will easily get you your 398KW :-)

NEVER E V E R put any sort of chip on an LS1 or LS2.

LS1/2 Edit is the way to go!

www.ls1edit.com.au 👍

 

[Moloch_horridus]

GTO phase III that is like 1971 right not 1970 yeh or na

The GTHO Phase III was the XY which I believe was released in 1971 and won Bathurst in the same year. This replaced the XW GTHO Phase II which won Bathurst in 1970. Moffat also took pole in '72 in an XY, finishing 8th, and again in '73, this time in an XA GT (probably the XA GT 'Special', equivalent to what would have been the GTHO Phase IV if the government had not stuck their noses in) but DNF. It would have been nice to see this up against the canned GTR-XU2 (308 LJ Torana) and the E49.

 

[ving]

there is nothing, i repeat NOTHING more Aussie than this thread!

holden vs ford is a debate that has lasted generations!

I dislike then both

 

[slammer]

Glut:
"The HPV V6 is no longer made in Australia after a supplying company went belly-up. They're now imported from Canada along with the v8s."


They are still making them at the Holden engine plant (as it's the primary reason the plant was built) and have confirmed the V6 for Alfa (they'll do their own head work and JTS), the IOn collapse was a parts mfr for the motor but the new billion dollar engine plant is still happily cranking out the new V6 last time I was there :- )

Rogue, yes you're right going off LS1 boards in the states, but they dont use Haltechs, Autronics or Microtechs over there, we've been seeing some nice numbers on Dynos with sequential Haltech tuning, though the gains are better per $ doing the basics, for those that want big numbers we need to fuel the motor and phase cam timing, which a $5K ECU can do nicely.

Avoid all chips is damn right, (ie plug in chips) sorry I used that despicable term :-) I should have said high end quality ECU

 

[Jay]

Viper,

Go and find out what the rest of the world has been missing,

I've owned several over the last 3 decades and I love every one of them.

I also signed petitions for "V8's until '98" way back when they were threatened by extinction..

Give em a go they're honest, hard working, and for <20K AUS you'll pick up a nice pursuit SS which you then strip and make a track monster IRL :-)

I own a HG GTS Monaro (350) that I am restoring now, Ive also owned a 5L VC commodore , lots of my friends own V8's ethier SS's or XR8's and I drive them from time to time, Im not a stranger to aussie cars or V8's.

When I mean I havent tried a Aussie car yet I was refering to GT4.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

there is nothing, i repeat NOTHING more Aussie than this thread!

holden vs ford is a debate that has lasted generations!

I dislike then both

What!? Thats crazy! I'm going to faint.

 

[slammer]

Hey Viper well done! no disrespect here, I assumed from your comments you hadn't had a chance to drive a real one.

Good luck on the restore, are you going concours original or updated for 2005?

I learned to drive in the last of the 350 Monaro LE Autos with those sexy honeycombe mags and a black vinyl roof OMG!!!

Also owned a 308 VB 200KW and 3L Vl Turbo 300Kw at the rears....now I get by with 75.5rwkw, and lap 3 - 5 seconds faster, go figure ;-)

 

[Brock5000]

those old monaros are sweet, my brother in-law used to have an immaculate one. I cried the day he sold it

here's a pic of my HRT 427 copy in the game

 

[Schrodes]

Nice pic Brock5000. I have three Monaros in GT4. The red one with black wheels and black spoiler as previously mentioned, a yellow one with black wheels and a black spoiler (both B24hr copies) and a black one done up to look like Brocks 2004 Targa Tasmania car. I found that they sound their best without the muffler upgrades installed.

 

[Jay]

Hey Viper well done! no disrespect here, I assumed from your comments you hadn't had a chance to drive a real one.

Good luck on the restore, are you going concours original or updated for 2005?

I learned to drive in the last of the 350 Monaro LE Autos with those sexy honeycombe mags and a black vinyl roof OMG!!!

Also owned a 308 VB 200KW and 3L Vl Turbo 300Kw at the rears....now I get by with 75.5rwkw, and lap 3 - 5 seconds faster, go figure ;-)

Im going original with the restore, its taking awhile as I keep spending my money on other things but I will get there one day.

 

[slammer]

Nice one Viper, there's nothing better than taking the time and doing right :-)

Just wish I had more room in the Redfern backyard

 

[PC]

Tickford was a British company, they got the right to be Ford Australia's performance wing back in the early 90's. Prodrive bought Tickford out and changed the name to FPV (oh how lame). They are still in the same factory, same people, just different signs and some lame as hell cars rolling out of there.

GTO phase III that is like 1971 right not 1970 yeh or na

XY was 1970-1971. XA came out in 1972.


I'm blue blooded as hell, but Ford need to figure out handling doesn't sell and beef up the power. FFS the F6 is barely faster than the XR6T. Sure it's a better base for mods, but like hell you'll get warranty on anything with a modded car.

I believe the saying is classic not plastic. Give me an XW-XE with a 351 Clevo, toploader and 9 inch diff anyday. 351 XB coupe coming to my driveway next month......oh baby.

And the EB is going alright with AU engine, worked XR6 head, 5 speed and LSD. 140 rwkw for a daily driver? Yes please!

 

[somebody]

Just to set things straight I've road tested all 4 Aussie production cars in GT4.

- All cars were bought brand new for the test ie. 0km on the clock
- All cars were only given a car wash before hitting the track
- All driving aids set to 0 and no changes to factory setup (tyres, camber etc...)
- Reloaded game from 2nd memory card after each car to run the cars under identical B-Spec ability
- Tsukuba and Nurburgring - times are first lap out rolling starts ie. no "hot laps"
- Trial Mountain - times are first 3 laps out after rolling start
- B-Spec left set on 3 (medium pace)
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FPV GT
Tsukuba - 1,12.054
Nurburgring - 8,34.325
Trial Mountain - 1,53.128 1,47.015 1,46.869 average = 1,49.004

Notes: Probably on the brakes the longest of all cars tested, and plenty of body roll too. Was able to stretch its legs on Nurb's long final straight.


FPV F6
Tsukuba - 1,11.689
Nurburgring - 8,36.910
Trial Mountain - 1,52.139 1,46.379 1,45.917 average = 1,48.145

Notes: Showed plenty of neutral slide around Nurburgring. Changed direction very quickly around Tsukuba and Trial Mountain.


Holden SS
Tsukuba - 1,12.805
Nurburgring - 8,47.518
Trial Mountain - 1,54.316 1,48.061 1,47.592 average = 1,50.004

Notes: Looked good under braking but lacked straight line grunt. Took the best line around corners.


Holden CV8
Tsukuba - 1,12.332
Nurburgring - 8,40.512
Trial Mountain - 1,53.378 1,47.267 1,47.207 average = 1,49.284

Notes: Looked smooth and in control at all times. B-Spec liked sliding this one to the outside ripple strips on exits.


Pontiac GTO US version of the CV8
Tsukuba - 1,11.609
Nurburgring - 8,41.030
Trial Mountain - 1,54.766 1,48.930 1,48.052 average = 1,50.583

Notes: Had the least amount of body roll. Better gearing would see this car improve times easily.


Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C5) Same base engine as SS and CV8
Tsukuba - 1,09.093
Nurburgring - 8,10.015
Trial Mountain - 1.48.835 1,43.245 1,42.823 average = 1,44.808

Notes: Being a purpose built sports car, it is no suprise that this car is fastest.


Ford Falcon XR8 V8Supercar '00
Tsukuba - 58.955
Nurburgring - 7,13.167
Trial Mountain - 1,33.876 1,28.817 1,28.142 average = 1,30.278

Notes: Glen Seton set a high speed record in this car in '00 - 301 km/h at the end of Conrod Straight - yet it tops out at 271km/h down the 'ring's long straight!?

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

You know, it's a shame really. They didn't put in the best cars Holden or HSV has to offer. Imagine it if they actually put in the HRT 427 or the HSV GTO. The Japanese crap cars would have had no chance. I think they didn't do it because they didn't want one of the fastest road cars in the game an Aussie V8- they're scared . Plus they didn't put in any Holden race cars. Our Holden V8 supercar would have cained, or even the mighty nations cup 427 Monaro, imagine it.... Sorry, got carried away.

 

[98cobra]

You know, it's a shame really. They didn't put in the best cars Holden or HSV has to offer. Imagine it if they actually put in the HRT 427 or the HSV GTO. The Japanese crap cars would have had no chance. I think they didn't do it because they didn't want one of the fastest road cars in the game an Aussie V8- they're scared . Plus they didn't put in any Holden race cars. Our Holden V8 supercar would have cained, or even the mighty nations cup 427 Monaro, imagine it.... Sorry, got carried away.

hmm, HRT 427: sounds good, but I've never heard of it. Any pics?

 

[Brock5000]

yep the 427 would have been a perfect concept car for the game, I can't see why it couldn't have been included - its not in any other game or in any licensed race series, which i assume is why the HSVs and V8 supercars didn't make it.

here's a few, anyone got a shot of the engine bay?

 

[Brock5000]

HRT 427 ROAD CAR - winner Bathurst 24 Hour (2002)
* PROJECT HAS NOW BEEN CANCELLED BY HSV
* ORIGINAL PLAN
* 50 TO BE BUILT; $215,000 EACH
* RELEASE DATE LATE 2003 / 04

SPEC
* purpose built race car for Bathurst 24 Hour Race
* handbuilt by Garry Rogers Motorsport
* 7 litre Chevrolet engine
* 427 cubic inch
* over 650 BHP
* 0-100 km in 3.8s
* rear drive
* 18 inch wheels: 18 X 11 front; 18 X 13 rear
* 6 sp Holinger transmission
* Ohlin shocks
* weight 1,400 kg

this is the race version that won the Bathurst 24 hour

 

[The Porko]

Just to set things straight I've road tested all 4 Aussie production cars in GT4.

- All cars were bought brand new for the test ie. 0km on the clock
- All cars were only given a car wash before hitting the track
- All driving aids set to 0 and no changes to factory setup (tyres, camber etc...)
- Reloaded game from 2nd memory card after each car to run the cars under identical B-Spec ability
- Tracks used: Tsukuba and Nurburgring
- B-Spec left set on 3 (medium pace)
- All times are first lap out rolling starts ie. no "hot laps"

FPV GT
Tsukuba - 1,12.054
Nurburgring - 8,34.325

Notes: Probably on the brakes the longest of all cars tested, and plenty of body roll too. Was able to stretch its legs on Nurb's long final straight.


FPV F6
Tsukuba - 1,11.689
Nurburgring - 8,36.910

Notes: Showed plenty of neutral slide around Nurburgring. Changed direction very quickly around Tsukuba.


Holden SS
Tsukuba - 1,12.805
Nurburgring - 8,47.518

Notes: Looked good under braking but lacked straight line grunt. Took the best line around corners.


Holden CV8
Tsukuba - 1,12.332
Nurburgring - 8,40.512

Notes: Looked smooth and in control at all times. B-Spec liked sliding this one to the outside ripple strips on exits.

Pretty impressive times... nice to see holden arent far off the pace of the more powerful FPV if only they had HSV or normal Ford cars for the good ol' Holden Vs Ford battle.

 

[98cobra]

HRT 427 ROAD CAR - winner Bathurst 24 Hour (2002)
* PROJECT HAS NOW BEEN CANCELLED BY HSV
* ORIGINAL PLAN
* 50 TO BE BUILT; $215,000 EACH
* RELEASE DATE LATE 2003 / 04

SPEC
* purpose built race car for Bathurst 24 Hour Race
* handbuilt by Garry Rogers Motorsport
* 7 litre Chevrolet engine
* 427 cubic inch
* over 650 BHP
* 0-100 km in 3.8s
* rear drive
* 18 inch wheels: 18 X 11 front; 18 X 13 rear
* 6 sp Holinger transmission
* Ohlin shocks
* weight 1,400 kg

this is the race version that won the Bathurst 24 hour

 

[eastley]

Just to set things straight I've road tested all 4 Aussie production cars in GT4.

- All cars were bought brand new for the test ie. 0km on the clock
- All cars were only given a car wash before hitting the track
- All driving aids set to 0 and no changes to factory setup (tyres, camber etc...)
- Reloaded game from 2nd memory card after each car to run the cars under identical B-Spec ability
- Tracks used: Tsukuba and Nurburgring
- B-Spec left set on 3 (medium pace)
- All times are first lap out rolling starts ie. no "hot laps"

FPV GT
Tsukuba - 1,12.054
Nurburgring - 8,34.325

Notes: Probably on the brakes the longest of all cars tested, and plenty of body roll too. Was able to stretch its legs on Nurb's long final straight.


FPV F6
Tsukuba - 1,11.689
Nurburgring - 8,36.910

Notes: Showed plenty of neutral slide around Nurburgring. Changed direction very quickly around Tsukuba.


Holden SS
Tsukuba - 1,12.805
Nurburgring - 8,47.518

Notes: Looked good under braking but lacked straight line grunt. Took the best line around corners.


Holden CV8
Tsukuba - 1,12.332
Nurburgring - 8,40.512

Notes: Looked smooth and in control at all times. B-Spec liked sliding this one to the outside ripple strips on exits.

OK, now do the exact same thing, with B-Spec do 3 laps. But this time do them around Trial Mountain. Post all 3 lap times, and average them out.

 

[Schrodes]

The HRT427 and the Monaro CV8 that raced in the Nations Cup series and the Bathurst 24 hour races are not related. The Nations Cup car was not based on the HRT427. They were two completley different projects. Both very nice cars however.

 

[exhorst]

You know, it's a shame really. They didn't put in the best cars Holden or HSV has to offer. Imagine it if they actually put in the HRT 427 or the HSV GTO. The Japanese crap cars would have had no chance. I think they didn't do it because they didn't want one of the fastest road cars in the game an Aussie V8- they're scared . Plus they didn't put in any Holden race cars. Our Holden V8 supercar would have cained, or even the mighty nations cup 427 Monaro, imagine it.... Sorry, got carried away.

yeah the GTO or Clubsport would have killed the Japanese cars in a straight line, around the corners wouldn't be much difference either. i am a mad Ford supporter. i hate normal* Holdens like the commodore, astra, vectra, barina, but i just love the new HSV GTO and Clubbie aw and that Maloo Ute the VZ Monaro even though a normal* Holden looks the best with those new looks and engine. i have heard so many new monaros been taken out on the street now and been driven like race cars. they sound awesome 👍 👍 here are two pictures of the new VZ Monaro taken from the Clipsal 500. http://thecarshed.250free.com/munro_m.JPG
http://thecarshed.250free.com/munroback_m.JPG
a few days ago i heard a FPV GT get cained down my street and it hurt my ears for about 1 hour after that.
the HRT 427 should definetely have being put in GT4 and is such a shame that it is not. oh well, maybe GT5

*i mean non HSV's

 

[gsavill90]

The Holdens quite good, turn off the driver aids, and you can easily slide round all the bends. The aussie cars are, generally great fun to drive.

 

[arkos]

hey the xr8 tickford is hot, soups up to about 900hp, handles nice i like it and has plenty of balls, its fun taking it around the capri rally track hehehe