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[BlackIce90]

lets go FBI.

FBI kills people..... 💡 Would not want to be one of those hackers right now.

 

[brandofo]

Don't know what you have been reading but Sony has been updating us almost every day this past week. They're moving the servers and upgrading everything. That takes time. Not only that, they are working with the San Diego FBI to track down the idiots that started this whole thing.

I'm more than satisfied with the info I have. Where have you been?

i was posting that just so people would be aware that there is evidence to suggest that the credit card information was also stolen. sony has officially said that the credit card info might have been stolen, but they are not sure. (because sony is incompetent and/or trying not to scare away customers)

sony was not exactly honest when they initially shut PSN down and then waited a week to even tell any of their customers that their information was stolen. all sony said initially is that they were doing maintenance and they would be back online in a day or two. that was the initial statement from sony.

now that consumers are justifiably outraged and sony is being sued over the way they (mis)handled this situation, they are now obligated to work with the authorities.

i am sure more facts will come to light that sony would have preferred not to disclose. i wouldnt be surprised if we found out that our credit card info was in fact stolen and that sony did not properly inform their customers in a timely manner.

i am not saying that the article in the NY Times that i posted was 100% unquestionable fact, but it is another piece of evidence that suggests that the credit card information, along with everything else on the psn servers, was stolen.

 

[CodeRedR51]

all sony said initially is that they were doing maintenance and they would be back online in a day or two. that was the initial statement from sony.

Source? Because everything I read is that they knew someone go into the system and they shut it down...

 

[brandofo]

first you should read this letter from the US house of reps to Sony:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/technology/20110428-sony-letter.pdf

it is now known that PSN was hacked between april 17-19. sony shut down PSN on april 20. sony finally informed the public that PSN was hacked on april 26.

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The April 20 press release from Sony made no mention of an unauthorized security breach, only that they shut down PSN for maintenance.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/21/latest-update-on-psn-outage/

April 21, 2011 Posted by Patrick Seybold // Sr. Director, Corporate Communications & Social Media

"While we are investigating the cause of the Network outage, we wanted to alert you that it may be a full day or two before we’re able to get the service completely back up and running. Thank you very much for your patience while we work to resolve this matter. Please stay tuned to this space for more details, and we’ll update you again as soon as we can." (emphasis added)

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Even five days later Sony had not mentioned anything about PSN being hacked.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/25/psn-update/

April 25, 2011 Posted by Patrick Seybold // Sr. Director, Corporate Communications & Social Media

"I know you are waiting for additional information on when PlayStation Network and Qriocity services will be online. Unfortunately, I don’t have an update or timeframe to share at this point in time.

As we previously noted, this is a time intensive process and we’re working to get them back online quickly. We’ll keep you updated with information as it becomes available. We once again thank you for your patience."

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Then on April 26, Sony finally admitted what had actually happened, making sure to leave the question about whether or not credit card info was stolen ambiguous. they said basically that we dont think credit card info was stolen, but we can not rule out the possibility.

so either sony is incompetent and it really took them a week to realize they were hacked and they told us as soon as they knew, or they were deliberately withholding information from their customers aka "damage control"

 

[CodeRedR51]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/technology/20110428-sony-letter.pdf

The April 20 press release from Sony made no mention of an unauthorized security breach, only that they shut down PSN for maintenance in order to better protect the security of the PSN users. In other words, they knew PSN was hacked and didn't tell their customers until April 26.

The link above is from a statement dated 4/29, and says in the first sentence "We write today regarding the recent data breach..." Wrong link?

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/21/latest-update-on-psn-outage/

April 21, 2011 Posted by Patrick Seybold // Sr. Director, Corporate Communications & Social Media

"While we are investigating the cause of the Network outage, we wanted to alert you that it may be a full day or two before we’re able to get the service completely back up and running. Thank you very much for your patience while we work to resolve this matter. Please stay tuned to this space for more details, and we’ll update you again as soon as we can."

At this point they are still trying to figure out what happened. I don't see any harm in that?

Even five days later Sony had not mentioned anything about PSN being hacked.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/25/psn-update/

April 25, 2011 Posted by Patrick Seybold // Sr. Director, Corporate Communications & Social Media

"I know you are waiting for additional information on when PlayStation Network and Qriocity services will be online. Unfortunately, I don’t have an update or timeframe to share at this point in time.

As we previously noted, this is a time intensive process and we’re working to get them back online quickly. We’ll keep you updated with information as it becomes available. We once again thank you for your patience."

Sounds to me like they had already stated something about it before hand, and were just reiterating what had said before.

Everyone makes it sound like they knew right away what the problem was. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. I don't think they would lie to us as I'm sure it's illegal to do so. Doesn't matter at this point, because there is nothing we can do about it but sit back and wait.

Edit: Nice Ninja edit, now my post is completely irrelevant.

Basically, they hired an outside firm to figure out what happened, and apparently it took that long for them to get back to Sony. This was published somewhere, but I don't feel like trying to find it.

 

[brandofo]

yes i edited my post for clarity. if you read the first link, you will find that it is a letter sent from the US house of reps to Sony on april 29. It is asking sony to answer the obvious questions that they are either unwilling or unable to tell their customers voluntarily. they ask that sony respond by may 6. read the entire letter and you will understand why people are skeptical of sony's initial story.

the other links i posted were the sources you requested that state sony is investigating the cause of the network problem and that PSN would be back online soon. it was initially going to be back online in "one to two days," then it changed to "this is a time-intensive process," then it changed to "oops we got hacked sorry guys"

i eagerly await sony's response, but i am not confident that sony always had my best interests in mind during the initial week following the hack. instead, they might have been acting in their own interests as can be expected from a huge multinational corporation that has already proven they are willing to install rootkits on their audio CDs without their customer's knowledge.

if it turns out that sony was in fact investigating the cause of the network shutdown for an entire week, at which point they immediately notified their customers as soon as they determined that they were hacked, then that is fine. but you would have to be an idiot to not know you were hacked for an entire week.

 

[redreevos]

Sony is one of the largest technology and electronics company in the world. One of their biggest assets is their intellectual property. They know how to protect their information. They would not be a successful company if they didn't.

Unfortunately, they did not give the same care to our information that they do for their own. This is ridiculous that they kept our personal information in a place that could be attacked from an outside entity. I can understand if it was a mom and pop business, but this unacceptable.

Worse than all of that, is that they knew for multiple days that all our information could have been taken. Did they tell us? NO. Did they protect us? NO. Are they trying to protect their own asses? YES. They are a company looking out for their bottom line.

I am curious about the truth of this whole fiasco. But I am certainly not expecting to get the real truth from Sony. Do you think it is the engineers, encryption specialists, or any other person that would know the truth that is behind the statements that are made by Sony at this point? I don't. I believe what we read from Sony, is a bunch of PR statements made to just try and diffuse the fallout.

edit - Much agreed Brandofo. Just saw your above post.

 

[CodeRedR51]

if it turns out that sony was in fact investigating the cause of the network shutdown for an entire week, at which point they immediately notified their customers as soon as they determined that they were hacked, then that is fine.

PS.Blog 4/26:

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/26/clarifying-a-few-psn-points/

There’s a difference in timing between when we identified there was an intrusion and when we learned of consumers’ data being compromised. We learned there was an intrusion April 19th and subsequently shut the services down. We then brought in outside experts to help us learn how the intrusion occurred and to conduct an investigation to determine the nature and scope of the incident. It was necessary to conduct several days of forensic analysis, and it took our experts until yesterday to understand the scope of the breach. We then shared that information with our consumers and announced it publicly this afternoon.

 

[redreevos]

I guess its up to you then, whether you believe that to be the real truth. I think no matter how it went down, all of these statements look like very standard PR.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Who you going to believe, the media?

 

[brandofo]

It was necessary to conduct several days of forensic analysis, and it took our experts until yesterday to understand the scope of the breach. We then shared that information with our consumers and announced it publicly this afternoon.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Huh?

 

[BlackIce90]

Dont think the outage should be talked about in this sub-forum.... move it to some place else? You guys are going back and forth with long posts about what ever.

 

[CodeRedR51]

He started it!

I really don't care about the whole situation anyway. As soon as the service is back up, I'm happy.

 

[Müle]

I really don't care, so long as the thread stays somewhat active.

 

[redreevos]

Dont think the outage should be talked about in this sub-forum.... move it to some place else? You guys are going back and forth with long posts about what ever.

I guess we should just talk about the races we have had over the last two weekends? Wait, our series has been postponed. Why did that happen... Oh yeah, the PSN outage.

So I am confused about how we are not supposed to talk about the thing that has most affected our series in our series forum.

I am not a big fan of people, other than the moderators, telling me and others what can be discussed and where it can be discussed.

 

[BlackIce90]

I guess we should just talk about the races we have had over the last two weekends? Wait, our series has been postponed. Why did that happen... Oh yeah, the PSN outage.

So I am confused about how we are not supposed to talk about the thing that has most affected our series in our series forum.

I am not a big fan of people, other than the moderators, telling me and others what can be discussed and where it can be discussed.

I'm not saying that, but every time I come into this thread or the flyin' miata thread, I'm expecting people to share things about their cars or their setups. Its nice getting some new info about the outage every now and then but turning this thread into a heated, semi-aggressive debate about the situation does kinda kill the atmosphere of the series thread.

In this sub-forum moderators just moderate what threads are being started and deciding if it belongs here or in a different place or not at all. Most series race threads are monitored by the "Host/Thread Starter," not a moderator. Moderators check the legibility of a thread while the Thread Starter takes care of the continuity.

Anyways, I'm not trying to point fingers or troll on anyone or tell anyone to shut up and such. Just saying, that every time i see a new post in this thread I feel like there is some good news on the last page about the next race, but only to be disappointed to see that a number of people are going back and forth about the accuracy of each others sources about the outage. Just doesn't suit the atmosphere is all I'm trying to say. Not trying to police this thread or anything.

 

[BrosifDuder]

In this sub-forum moderators just moderate what threads are being started and deciding if it belongs here or in a different place or not at all. Most series race threads are monitored by the "Host/Thread Starter," not a moderator. Moderators check the legibility of a thread while the Thread Starter takes care of the continuity.

I guess you weren't there when the moderator yelled at Stig for the "Pony Incident" in the Flyin' Miata thread! Not only did he yell at him but he deleted 10+ posts that he felt were too far off-topic.

 

[BlackIce90]

I guess you weren't there when the moderator yelled at Stig for the "Pony Incident" in the Flyin' Miata thread! Not only did he yell at him but he deleted 10+ posts that he felt were too far off-topic.

Ya, I missed that... Hmm, I don't know, just seems like moderators are hardly present in this sub-forum. I guess I am wrong.

 

[redreevos]

I'm not saying that, but every time I come into this thread or the flyin' miata thread, I'm expecting people to share things about their cars or their setups. Its nice getting some new info about the outage every now and then but turning this thread into a heated, semi-aggressive debate about the situation does kinda kill the atmosphere of the series thread.

In this sub-forum moderators just moderate what threads are being started and deciding if it belongs here or in a different place or not at all. Most series race threads are monitored by the "Host/Thread Starter," not a moderator. Moderators check the legibility of a thread while the Thread Starter takes care of the continuity.

Anyways, I'm not trying to point fingers or troll on anyone or tell anyone to shut up and such. Just saying, that every time i see a new post in this thread I feel like there is some good news on the last page about the next race, but only to be disappointed to see that a number of people are going back and forth about the accuracy of each others sources about the outage. Just doesn't suit the atmosphere is all I'm trying to say. Not trying to police this thread or anything.

I understand what you are saying.. but there has been nothing to talk about in reference to car setups, time on track, practice rooms etc..

The reason for that is because there has been no PSN.

I feel like I have contributed to this thread a fair amount.. especially when it comes to the car and the setup. I would much rather we were talking about that and racing.. then.... Having to call my bank to cancel my card, check my bank statements, change my passwords, and talk here about PSN being down.

But this is what we were dealt. I feel like I know the people in this thread, and would rather talk about what is affecting this series with them. Yes, I could start another subforum, get a bunch of 12 yr old trolls, and then be shut down by a moderator for the 100th thread on PSN.

Nothing personal BlackIce, but everyone has reasons why the post stuff. There are things that you have posted that didn't exactly match the thread or the series at hand. I didn't call you out for it... And in fact this discussion here does relate to this series.

 

[Nastradamus87]

Ya, I missed that... Hmm, I don't know, just seems like moderators are hardly present in this sub-forum. I guess I am wrong.

Yup, the moderators are everywhere. Let them and the thread starter worry about the thread's content.

Anyway, in case it has not been mentioned, it was confirmed that the PSN will be back online this week:
http://kotaku.com/#!5797412/sony-playstation-network-will-return-this-week

I really hope we can get this going next weekend. I'm probably getting rusty . Too bad BlackIce is going to miss the end of the season too.

Mule, any more thoughts on your next series?

 

[SohnVonStig]

Ya, I missed that... Hmm, I don't know, just seems like moderators are hardly present in this sub-forum. I guess I am wrong.

They don't come around alot, but certain phrases are hooked to a program (curse words etc.) so if those are dropped they come in. Otherwise, they leave us to self police. But let's be honest, without psn the ONLINE racing subforum really won't have much content unless it's offtopic.

 

[Müle]

I guess you weren't there when the moderator yelled at Stig for the "Pony Incident" in the Flyin' Miata thread! Not only did he yell at him but he deleted 10+ posts that he felt were too far off-topic.

And the time when a mod locked a thread here seemingly just because he was mad.

It was the Euro GT500 series, iirc.

Mule, any more thoughts on your next series?

still undecided.

 

[redreevos]

I am more than happy to start a topic based on the racing if you all would like. It is something I wanted to discuss anyway: BUMP-PASSING

I consider bump-passing to be when: The driver behind purposely taps the car in front of him off their rightful line. Once the lead driver has been "pushed" off of their rightful line, the following driver drives inside of them and passes them.

I do not think it is every rightful for the rear driver to purposely make contact with the driver in front of them(unless working together). I definitely don't think it is right once contact is made, to use that advantage to pass. If the lead driver has the inside position it is theirs, and theirs alone.

I have seen this occur in our series. I have seen it used to push someone out on the first turn as well. Making someone that qualified towards the top, to get pushed back 4-5 spots, because someone bump passed them.

I would like thoughts from the rest of you, whether you think this type of pass should occur in our series. And whether you think it is right for a person to make this sort of pass on a frequent basis.

Personally, I would never make purposeful contact with the lead driver. Secondly, if I pushed them offline, I would never take the position because of it.

Also, something to consider... If you are the lead driver, do you really want to try and trust that this person behind will just push you offline, and not off the track...

 

[Müle]

Personally, if you clearly have a faster car, and the guy in front of you is holding you up, I see no problem with tapping them off line to make a pass. Especially if the guy in front is a backmarker/lapper.

As for when the cars are a bit more even, and you're racing for position, it's a bit more iffy. If you just give a light tap, it likely wont warrant a penalty. knocking them off the track and not giving them position back will always be a penalty, though.

As for turn one stuff, that's when it gets really hard to call.

 

[Blaze_409]

Personally, if you clearly have a faster car, and the guy in front of you is holding you up, I see no problem with tapping them off line to make a pass. Especially if the guy in front is a backmarker/lapper.

As for when the cars are a bit more even, and you're racing for position, it's a bit more iffy. If you just give a light tap, it likely wont warrant a penalty. knocking them off the track and not giving them position back will always be a penalty, though.

As for turn one stuff, that's when it gets really hard to call.

i dont think thats fair. i think if you allow that theres too much room for interpretation. then it all comes back to..."well mule said i could bump you out the way"

If someones clearly faster wait till the front straight. Draft the person and make the pass.

 

[Nastradamus87]

I do not think it is every rightful for the rear driver to purposely make contact with the driver in front of them(unless working together). I definitely don't think it is right once contact is made, to use that advantage to pass. If the lead driver has the inside position it is theirs, and theirs alone.

I would like thoughts from the rest of you, whether you think this type of pass should occur in our series. And whether you think it is right for a person to make this sort of pass on a frequent basis.

Personally, I would never make purposeful contact with the lead driver. Secondly, if I pushed them offline, I would never take the position because of it.

I agree with you completely. To answer your question, I don't think this type of pass should be considered acceptable in our series under any circumstances. If you make contact that obviously upsets the lead car you should give them their position back and wait for another passing opportunity.

Personally, if you clearly have a faster car, and the guy in front of you is holding you up, I see no problem with tapping them off line to make a pass. Especially if the guy in front is a backmarker/lapper.

As for when the cars are a bit more even, and you're racing for position, it's a bit more iffy. If you just give a light tap, it likely wont warrant a penalty. knocking them off the track and not giving them position back will always be a penalty, though.

As for turn one stuff, that's when it gets really hard to call.

Mule has made a very good point here about passing a backmarker. Sometimes drivers (especially those that just drop into our races and haven't been racing with us since the beginning of the season) don't realize that the car behind them is a lap ahead and trying to catch the leaders. Instead of allowing bump-passing backmarkers, maybe we need to better educate all the participants in this series on lap traffic etiquette. This is a tough one.

i dont think thats fair. i think if you allow that theres too much room for interpretation. then it all comes back to..."well mule said i could bump you out the way"

If someones clearly faster wait till the front straight. Draft the person and make the pass.

I agree. Unless the lead car is a backmarker who is holding up the following car, bump-passing should not be allowed.

 

[Blaze_409]

lol. Technically from what ive seen in racing bumping is perfectly legal. the problem is the guy always retaliates. check this out. last lap battle GT2 laguna seca. last corner. magnussen bumps bergmeister and bergmeister puts his foot down hard. (turn up the volume). He nudges him out of the last corner to get him squirly.




im not supporting it but technically we have no right to control or penalize who does it. ive seen it done in nascar.

The issue is when you wreck someone in the proccess. That is when series like nascar and ALMS issue penalties.

Remember Carl edwards nudging busch out of the way at bristol.



heres the link to the full video. Its an epic video. Great dicing between the two. Watch it if you have 10 mins to spare.

 

[BlackIce90]

Mule, any more thoughts on your next series?

I'll be starting a series soon. First race will be in a month from now. I would love for all of you to sign-up for my series to quench your racing thirst until Mule makes up another series. The BMW Z4 will have about the same power as the Miata GT Class in the Flyin' Miata series. Look out of the official sign-up thread coming Tuesday!

 

[BrosifDuder]

last lap battle GT2 laguna seca. last corner. magnussen bumps bergmeister and bergmeister puts his foot down hard. (turn up the volume). He nudges him out of the last corner to get him squirly.

Its an epic video. Great dicing between the two. Watch it if you have 10 mins to spare.

I remember watching the end of that race and not wanting to blink because it was so amazing. I was really worried that Mags might seriously be injured when he hit the retainer wall but luckily he was okay. It was a huge wreck but there's no doubt that the finish and the 10 or so laps prior to the were was super entertaining.