Horse Power Laws?

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i think it depends where you live, also if i'm not mistaking it doesnt matter as long as you have blinkers, headlights, exhaust, etc. and be able to pass a smog test or whatevere theyre called, i might be wrong so dont get mad
 
I thought that is what one of my friends was saying. I do know that all cars must pass somg check to be able to register.
 
Depends on where you live. I dont believe there are any HP laws in the united states, just immissions specs that you have to meet. Many people are able to meet them pushing around 1k hp out of their cars.
 
And just where are you from? Cuz in houston, that is certainly not true, otherwise no one would ever buy aston martins or lamborghinis....cuz they would be illegal. Sorry, youre wrong.
 
Originally posted by Fenrir51
Im pretty sure the us has hp laws, anything over 425 or something around that was considered not street legal.

so if you're driving a viper..you're just asking cops to pull you over? cause you're at 500 hps and you're not street legal? if that's true..that's a stupid law..

but here in cali..i dont think there's a max hps..cause my friend has a 94 supra..single turbo conversion..and all that crap to the engine(dont feel like asking him, but it's all the obvious stuff, intercooler, wastegates, bov, intake, header, etc.) and he dynoed his car and it hit 689 hps to the rear wheels..forgot the torque..but it's at like 620 or something..and it's still street legal..
 
There is no such thing as horsepower laws. And the viper is not registered or whatever at 499. Its 500. Plain and simple. Plus, there isnt a really easy way for the government to monitor this. Part of your state inspection is not a dyno (although, it would be nice, and quite informative).
 
Originally posted by slvr2000fdvspec
so if you're driving a viper..you're just asking cops to pull you over? cause you're at 500 hps and you're not street legal? if that's true..that's a stupid law..

but here in cali..i dont think there's a max hps..cause my friend has a 94 supra..single turbo conversion..and all that crap to the engine(dont feel like asking him, but it's all the obvious stuff, intercooler, wastegates, bov, intake, header, etc.) and he dynoed his car and it hit 689 hps to the rear wheels..forgot the torque..but it's at like 620 or something..and it's still street legal..

lol BS that aint street legal. hell he wont even pass visual. one glance and the smog tech will say N-O-P-E
 
Show us. I have asked police around here, and they have never heard anything about HP limitations. So please link your horsepower laws to the online legislation lists.
 
Just because its not on the internet doesnt make it untrue but then again just beacuse he said it doesnt make it true. Id like to see any car pushing 425 hp + pass emessions. Police dont know everything btw.
 
Originally posted by ShobThaBob
Part of your state inspection is not a dyno (although, it would be nice, and quite informative).

Actually the ones here in Oregon do give you horsepower. However, they don't run the cars at full throttle up to redline, mine only needed to make an average of 10 horsepower to complete their test... which is slowly accelerating up to 30mph then back down to zero.

I've never, ever heard of any kind of horsepower limitation on street cars, and there's no reason why a 500 horsepower car couldn't pass emissions. They wouldn't sell Vipers if they couldn't. As far as I know you can blow as much gas out of your tailpipe as you want, as long as it doesn't have a bunch of NOx and other bad stuff in it. Bad stuff being stuff other than CO2.

edit: if there were a law restricting horsepower, I'm sure you could find it online, at one of the state's government sites.
 
Well it depends. I don't know if anyones said it or not, but. I know some stuff about Japans cars. When its straight from the factory, the car cannot produce anymore than 270 hp, but soemtimes it's tested at well over 300. They od this to stop a 'power war' from breaking out between companys. As for tunage and the US, i have no clue. :D
 
the only place with hp restriction i know is japan.

and about u.s is not true otherwise there could never be any enzo there.
 
As far as I know there arent any HP laws as long as cars can pass the emissions testing in their state. We in Colorado are subjected to the same standards as they are in California. Our cars are put on a chassis type dyno that puts the vehicle under a certain load depending on the vehicles factory specifications. The determining factors of how much a vehicle can emit are weight, displacement of motor, and etc.
I guarantee that you could make a vehicle such as a Supra put down over 650hp to the wheels and still pass emissions like it were factory. How so? This vehicle being turbo charged, especially helped by the single turbo conversion, would most likely never hit boost while being tested. When this vehicle is not on boost it creates very low emissions. Visual inspections consists of having a catalytic converter, they do not even have to know if there is still a catalyst inside, just the visual. I have seen a CRX with a turbocharged Type R motor roll up to the place and given just a tiny hassle about the motor. All he had to do was talk to them for a minute and once she told them that it was still a Honda motor, they put it on the rollers. She passed without any problems.
As was pointed out by someone in a different state where they tell your average HP needed to complete the test, his was 10hp.
Cars are not redlined by any means during these tests. They are driven as if they were being taken on an average drive. The test is called the IM240. 240 being the 240 second span that they are put under load, IM i have no clue what it stands for anymore.
 
Originally posted by Tofu4G63
As far as I know there arent any HP laws as long as cars can pass the emissions testing in their state. We in Colorado are subjected to the same standards as they are in California. Our cars are put on a chassis type dyno that puts the vehicle under a certain load depending on the vehicles factory specifications. The determining factors of how much a vehicle can emit are weight, displacement of motor, and etc.
I guarantee that you could make a vehicle such as a Supra put down over 650hp to the wheels and still pass emissions like it were factory. How so? This vehicle being turbo charged, especially helped by the single turbo conversion, would most likely never hit boost while being tested. When this vehicle is not on boost it creates very low emissions. Visual inspections consists of having a catalytic converter, they do not even have to know if there is still a catalyst inside, just the visual. I have seen a CRX with a turbocharged Type R motor roll up to the place and given just a tiny hassle about the motor. All he had to do was talk to them for a minute and once she told them that it was still a Honda motor, they put it on the rollers. She passed without any problems.
As was pointed out by someone in a different state where they tell your average HP needed to complete the test, his was 10hp.
Cars are not redlined by any means during these tests. They are driven as if they were being taken on an average drive. The test is called the IM240. 240 being the 240 second span that they are put under load, IM i have no clue what it stands for anymore.

you guuuaranteeee? HAR HAR HAR!

That's Colorado this is California...we're the most strict when it comes to smogging. the only way to pass a suped up 600+hp Supra is to do it illegally.. like through connections, giving the tech a little mullah, taking it to one of them places where english isnt well spoken. I pass for you! no twouble!

when i still had my Integra RS i didnt pass hell it didnt even get tested because i had a K&N air intake. asses

If car comes with 2 cats then it requires two cats unless there is a carb ex oder for it on that car. pre cat,midcat, Cat back exhausts are fine though.

downpipe,testpipe = no

Fuel Controllers are not legal at all and since we're talking abouta 600+hp supra.. it must has some kind of fuel controller and has to be disconnected.

chances are the tech will hit boost which = no pass.

driving a 600hp Single Turbo around california... you'll eventualy get pulled over by the cops and be sent to the STATE REFEREE. he/she will slap you and laugh and say no pass bish I OWN YOU!
 
Down pipes come on cars stock so i dont think that they can say no no to stock parts. Most fuel controllers that i know of are very very discreet and they would never have to know that they were there. Cats as i said before only have to appeart to be there.... How are they to verify that you have a catalyst in them if your car passes without them? How do you figure he'd hit boost in a single turbo supra? They drive extremely sanely and never hit WOT. They have a drive pattern that they must follow very specifially or the test automatically starts over. And maybe our inspectors are alittle more lax on the K&N filters and such but im pretty sure that our state has the exact same laws as CA.
 
Originally posted by Tofu4G63
Down pipes come on cars stock so i dont think that they can say no no to stock parts. Most fuel controllers that i know of are very very discreet and they would never have to know that they were there. Cats as i said before only have to appeart to be there.... How are they to verify that you have a catalyst in them if your car passes without them? How do you figure he'd hit boost in a single turbo supra? They drive extremely sanely and never hit WOT. They have a drive pattern that they must follow very specifially or the test automatically starts over. And maybe our inspectors are alittle more lax on the K&N filters and such but im pretty sure that our state has the exact same laws as CA.

US spec Supras (MKIV) dont come with a Down pipe instead it has a Pre-cat.



How do you figure he'd hit boost in a single turbo supra?

hehe how would the tech even hit boost if one cant pass visual for a bigass single turbo under the hood. they make you pop the hood.
Cats as i said before only have to appeart to be there.... How are they to verify that you have a catalyst in them if your car passes without them?
it's better to put the stockers on than have a high flow/gutted cat I know i would! because the majority of the time you will fail the sniffer i know because i troll on supraforums. but hey if the high flow cat passes 👍
 
all I know that most of the consumer cars here have a speed limiter installed....

like my friend's 240sx.....he was going at 180, and his tachometer wasn't even near redline yet....and he can't increase his speed anymore...appeared to be a speed limiter
 
Having a 276hp limit in Japan isn't a law. The Japanese motor vehicle department gives a general suggestion to all car manufacturers and, to be taken seriously, the manufacturers generally go by the 276 "suggestion". The Nissan Skyline, for example, is rated at 276hp but as many of you know, it dynos with nearly that much hp going to the wheels. That means that the crank HP is more like 310hp. The law isn't enforced but most manufacturers use it as a general guideline to keep the company's reputation up.
 
Originally posted by Fugiot
Having a 276hp limit in Japan isn't a law. The Japanese motor vehicle department gives a general suggestion to all car manufacturers and, to be taken seriously, the manufacturers generally go by the 276 "suggestion". The Nissan Skyline, for example, is rated at 276hp but as many of you know, it dynos with nearly that much hp going to the wheels. That means that the crank HP is more like 310hp. The law isn't enforced but most manufacturers use it as a general guideline to keep the company's reputation up.
It was actually a requirement for entering the GT300 class of the JGTC, but since most manufacturers now compete in the GT500 class, it's kinda pointless. Which is why most manufacturers have rumours pointing to 400-500hp cars to be released in the next few years.
There's a good thread on this hiding somewhere if you do a search for 'gentleman's agreement'.
 
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