How a PlayStation 6 Delay Could Impact Gran Turismo 8

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There is no point developing GT8 without new hardware. Everything about GT7 can be updated: Physics, cars, tracks, single player content, multiplayer content, everything.

I am fine with PS6 being delayed by the way. PS5 games look and perform great imo. I am not tired of playing GT7 either.
 
Sir Crashalot
I doubt they would do it now 'cause everyone would be saying they're copying Kunos idea.
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I frankly doubt that would be the reason to not do it. Because A : since when PD's choices follow anything happening outside their bubble ?
And B : open world game developping is another universe compared to what they offer/use right now, I doubt the transition is possible
 
Free updates don't generate revenue, gt8 or something maybe a sport 2 will be released next year, let's say gt8 comes out in 2029, would be 7 years without a title from that studio, ain't happening, even just a super GT7, something will be released

SPDN Stefano
There is no point developing GT8 without new hardware. Everything about GT7 can be updated: Physics, cars, tracks, single player content, multiplayer content, everything.

I am fine with PS6 being delayed by the way. PS5 games look and perform great imo. I am not tired of playing GT7 either.
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The new hardware is ps5 for them, gt7 is a PS4 title with a better version (ps5)
 
If GT8 was planned for PS6, I hope they stick with that even if the PS6 will be delayed.

I wouldn't mind waiting longer if it means GT8 will be built to take full advantage of the PS6's capabilities without the need for compromises to allow PS5 support.

It still feels a bit odd having 16 player lobbies in GT7's Sport Mode when there was 20 player in GT Sport.
 
Mattylatvala
Free updates don't generate revenue, gt8 or something maybe a sport 2 will be released next year, let's say gt8 comes out in 2029, would be 7 years without a title from that studio, ain't happening, even just a super GT7, something will be released
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Btw nobody knows when the ai bubble is going to pop, could be 1 year or 5, right now ps6 is postponed indefinitely
 
I consider the PS5 a 3 year old console instead of the 5 year old console it is due to the Covid shortages. The AI bubble is going to extend it's run and I don't think Polyphony should consider GT8 on the PS5 at all. No more backwards compatibility should happen IMO, but I expect Sony to be compelled once again to do have prior gen support due to this AI bubble. There's no telling when it will end and we all lose over all the hoopla on AI.
 
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Im quite glad the haggard grind through the next game is a few years away. Having a full garage and engaging with the game the way I want for the next couple of years is fine with me. There's reason to be hopeful for the new title being better refined with a delay, the last 2 games have been far too similar for content too. The diminishing returns aspect is the elephant in the room, frame rate maybe the main difference next time, but will probably require a new TV... ouch. The cost of living is the other main issue buying a Pro and new tv was the best part of £2000.
 
Lomic
I think there's a bit of rose tainted glasses there. GT7 is amazing in 4K and I think we are in diminishing return era now in terms of graphics, compared to the rapid evolution we've seen in the past where every new generation of hardware was cranking up visuals significatively
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I agree that GT7 in 4k is great. My point is: there's more that could be done that would be even better. I compare this to Forza Motorsport, for exemple. Turn 10 using only a new gen and the PC made not great car models like GT7, but, the environment, particles, car damage, the rain (specially that), ray tracing, lights, the hability to pop the hood and see the engine, in game on a "base console, not a premium one" and other things that even in Series S, with 1440p 30fps looks great.

I know that these days we don't have a big jump in therms of graphics between gens, but, I really think that based on what we saw in the past that PD could do with old hardwares, there's a lot that GT could do to evolute the series and bring us that "wow" feeling like the past.
 
That KY works as he wishes.
Since 1997, I have always enjoyed their titles and we can trust their experience and philisophy.
The approach of this 30th anniversary makes me realize that GT6 is the only title to which I have devoted very little time.
At the time, I had won a copy of the game and my first minutes did not encourage me to invest more.

I have only one wish: that the VR is always present on GT8.

PS: this even if we have to keep the PSVR2... yes, I know.
 
KAlex122
@Famine what do you think about the Power Pack - does something like that more happen like PD tells Sony "we have this idea, that we want to realize" or more like Sony telling PD "what about this as a late monetization method as GT8 is still far away"?

Same question for GT8. Is PD fully in controll of what it will look like and when it's done or does Sony have a say in the date and the content (Full Game or a niche/demo/prologue next).
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I wouldn't mind additional Power Packs for the rest of the PS5 lifecycle allowing GT8 to release on the next console as a clean release.
 
A few points that come from the established industry leakers with a significant, proven track record for accuracy (Moore's Law is Dead etc)

1) PS6 design is done and it is almost assuredly not going to change except for relatively minor tweaks outside of the GPU and CPU. Ironically, one of the things that they can easily change is RAM allocation. They have spent years on this design and a lot of money too. So if PS6 is delayed to let's say 2028 or 2029, it will still launch with the 2027 design, more or less. We will not be getting a more advanced design by having it delayed.

2} RAM could cause a delay, no decision has been made yet and likely won't be made until late 2026. The tricky part with the RAM is that there is no current guarantee that delaying a year or two will bring prices down. The AI demand is not going away anytime soon. Is there new RAM manufacturing being planned? That would help but a recent report from Toms Hardware stated there was no new manufacturing being planned, instead capital expenditure is being sunk into better performance for AI chips. And memory price increases could last up to a decade.

3) The "PS5 isn't maxed out so just wait" argument, well, that's a gamer argument not a business or developer one. The PS6 is carefully designed to move the game on, pun intended. Two areas were focused on in particular: ray tracing and AI implementation. These areas are weak on the PS5 and will be highly improved on the next gen. Raster capability will only go up by maybe 3x but ray tracing will take a significant leap. This will change graphic quality in a noticeable way. PS4 level design constraints will be gone and you will have PS5 level 4k, better frames but with much, much better ray tracing. Then add in AI capability and that's the design play.

No one knows if a delay will happen because the decision has not been made and will not be for some time. Bloomberg does not have the best track record on insider info and that should not surprise you, lol. Listen to the industry standards for leaks, the info is readily available.
 
They can push back the release of GT8 on PS7 in 2035 if they want, neither 32K TVs nor 64GB of RAM will ever prevent a game from being bad because of poor gameplay design.

That's what they should aim first whatever the plan is for the next GT. GT8 won't be a better game than its predecessor just because it launches on a better console.

GT8 on PS5 could be a blast, if only they dare to address small issues that doesn't need more ram or better CPU / GPU..
 
There isn't even a point of GT8. Graphics have peaked and nobody cares about "lighting and ray tracing" apart from the hardcore tech people.
They need to just focus on adding a proper career mode and in all honesty....they could just do that for GT7 on PS4/PS5 and charge a DLC price for it and call it a day.

There is like zero reason to advance to even PS6....what will we even get on it? 1 game every 10 years? A last of us PS6 remaster? Cause PS5 has been the biggest let down in gaming since I started on Nintendo 64/PlayStation 1.

Only reason for PS6 is if they make it be able to play all playstation games from previous generations which they won't do...so there is no point.
 
Considering that GT7 is a cross generation platform (PS4-PS5), shouldn't be enough to have GT8 perfectly designed for PS5 using its full potential?

I am already happy with the existing graphics, I don't need improvements there.
I think that it is more relevant to improve car dynamics, structure of the game playing alone, "Sophy 4.0", etc...

Maybe I am wrong but I wouldn't say that GT8 need a stronger platform to be nicer...
I am more scared about lacking of new ideas in designing better games...
 
Lomic
@Lux Klonoa and @TheNormsk I don't get it, you complain that PS4 held back GT7 but you want GT8 on PS5 ?? The issue will be the same.
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Hmm, I'd say the difference is... that the PS4's CPU, the Jaguar, was underpowered even at the time it released in 2013. PS5's Zen 2 CPU isn't. It should be more than capable to keep up with whatever the PS6 ends up being and should still allow for bigger car grids and other graphical improvments.

Besides, it wouldn't be the same situation as you say if the PS6 were to release in 2029 and GT8 on PS5 for 2027. I'm sure we wouldn't mind it as much as GT7 did.
 
My question is what would PD do in 27 if they continue with GT7 during that span because you have to remember that they're still having to support the PS4 and by the time 2027 comes around, it'll be a 14 year old console, so do they just make separate content like we've saw with the power pack dlc? And would PD make tracks exclusive to the PS5 or even separate player bases and have a bigger focus on the PS5 player base until GT8 comes around because I feel like there's somethings they could work on or even try (bigger lobbies and multi class racing for example) to test and try on GT7 until it's time for GT8 to come out. Because at the end of the day, I feel like PD haven't really pushed the PS5 to it's absolute limit.
 
VlackSiper12
My question is what would PD do in 27 if they continue with GT7 during that span because you have to remember that they're still having to support the PS4 and by the time 2027 comes around, it'll be a 14 year old console, so do they just make separate content like we've saw with the power pack dlc? And would PD make tracks exclusive to the PS5 or even separate player bases and have a bigger focus on the PS5 player base until GT8 comes around because I feel like there's somethings they could work on or even try (bigger lobbies and multi class racing for example) to test and try on GT7 until it's time for GT8 to come out. Because at the end of the day, I feel like PD haven't really pushed the PS5 to it's absolute limit.
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They weren't given a lot of time to push the PS5 to the limit to begin with, as from the launch of GT Sport to the initial announcement of GT7, it was 3 years of development. They couldn't do as much as they wanted because of both that, and the inclusion of a PS4 version.

Now they have no excuse, because they have a longer development period for the next game. My guess is that PD are going to try to stick with the PS6 as a year one title, if it's not a launch title when the next gen console arrives.
 
Given that PD (for some reason) released GT6 on the PS3 after the PS4 launched, I say there's an argument to be made that they could do the same for GT8; drop PS4 support, max out what the PS5 can do, and offer that thing where you can upgrade from one console to the next.

Right now, despite the PS5 Pro, the only things that are exclusive to the PS5 version of GT7 is PSVR2 and Sophy. I'd like to see what more they can do without having to drag that old dog PS4 along.
Mathaios_C
Gt has never been just tracks, car and races. Every gt has a theme. Fresh menus, music, weird ideas and game modes. So yeah we need a new gt after 5 years.
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I'd argue the theme of GT has been pretty much the same since GT5P; snazzy, jazzy music and a clean appearance throughout. I don't think we're getting something similar to GT4 and older :(
 
Miroku
There isn't even a point of GT8. Graphics have peaked and nobody cares about "lighting and ray tracing" apart from the hardcore tech people.
They need to just focus on adding a proper career mode and in all honesty....they could just do that for GT7 on PS4/PS5 and charge a DLC price for it and call it a day.

There is like zero reason to advance to even PS6....what will we even get on it? 1 game every 10 years? A last of us PS6 remaster? Cause PS5 has been the biggest let down in gaming since I started on Nintendo 64/PlayStation 1.

Only reason for PS6 is if they make it be able to play all playstation games from previous generations which they won't do...so there is no point.
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Yeah for sure. Like yeah some PS5 games are super cool and all but it's not like the insane leap from cart to disk or PS1 to 2 or even 2 to 3. Really the "omg new console more power and stuff" era died with the PS4. There are no more insane leaps to make. It's all incremental now.
 
Famine
This is the discussion thread for an article on GTPlanet:

How a PlayStation 6 Delay Could Impact Gran Turismo 8​

The anticipated timeline for the next Gran Turismo game looks to be a little more in doubt, with reports over the last few days suggesting that Sony is pushing back the launch of the PlayStation 6 console on which it was expected to debut...
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Way to early for ps6
Famine
This is the discussion thread for an article on GTPlanet:

How a PlayStation 6 Delay Could Impact Gran Turismo 8​

The anticipated timeline for the next Gran Turismo game looks to be a little more in doubt, with reports over the last few days suggesting that Sony is pushing back the launch of the PlayStation 6 console on which it was expected to debut...
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Way to early for ps6 ffs!
 
Slugkowski
Way to early for ps6 ffs!
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Across PlayStation's lifetime, the median gap between console generations is almost bob-on 6.5 years:

PS1 - December 1994
PS2 - March 2000 (5y3m)
PS3 - November 2006 (6y8m)
PS4 - November 2013 (7y0m)
PS5 - November 2020 (7y0m)

With almost exactly seven years between the last two generations it's reasonable to conclude a 6.5/7-year gap between the PS5 and PS6, placing it at May to November 2027 - and the latter more likely.

Each console was announced well before it arrived, although it depends on whether you count announcing its existence, name, or design as the announcement.

Sony first confirmed "PlayStation" in October 1993 (about 1y2m before it launched), revealing it in May 1994 (7m before launch). PS2 was first revealed in March 1999 (about 1y before launch), and PS3 announced in September 2004 (2y2m before launch) before a reveal in May 2005 (1y6m before launch). PS4 had very little lead time, announced in February 2013 (9m before launch), while the PlayStation 5 was first announced in April 2019 (1y7m before launch).

If November 2027 was to be the launch date (and most of the industry seemed to think late-2027 was about right, coinciding with the next XBox), that puts us right in the window for at least an announcement confirming its existence/name any time around now, and a design sometime around April-May this year.


That all, of course, looks like it's no longer the case.
 
PS6 will come in in late 27 or 28 , i think the RAM situation will improve much more in the next year unless something unexpected happens
 
Famine
Across PlayStation's lifetime, the median gap between console generations is almost bob-on 6.5 years:

PS1 - December 1994
PS2 - March 2000 (5y3m)
PS3 - November 2006 (6y8m)
PS4 - November 2013 (7y0m)
PS5 - November 2020 (7y0m)

With almost exactly seven years between the last two generations it's reasonable to conclude a 6.5/7-year gap between the PS5 and PS6, placing it at May to November 2027 - and the latter more likely.

Each console was announced well before it arrived, although it depends on whether you count announcing its existence, name, or design as the announcement.

Sony first confirmed "PlayStation" in October 1993 (about 1y2m before it launched), revealing it in May 1994 (7m before launch). PS2 was first revealed in March 1999 (about 1y before launch), and PS3 announced in September 2004 (2y2m before launch) before a reveal in May 2005 (1y6m before launch). PS4 had very little lead time, announced in February 2013 (9m before launch), while the PlayStation 5 was first announced in April 2019 (1y7m before launch).

If November 2027 was to be the launch date (and most of the industry seemed to think late-2027 was about right, coinciding with the next XBox), that puts us right in the window for at least an announcement confirming its existence/name any time around now, and a design sometime around April-May this year.


That all, of course, looks like it's no longer the case.
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Ignoring the RAM shortages and delay talk, I'm expecting a March announcement for the PS6 this year. And I think we'll see the dev kit for said console as well.
 

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