How a PlayStation 6 Delay Could Impact Gran Turismo 8

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Subtle1
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And no I didn't. You still haven't actually read it. I know this because what you're claiming is in it is not in it.

Even the title you say is ragebait (it's certainly baited you into raging at a stranger) doesn't claim that there is a delay.
 
Famine
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And no I didn't. You still haven't actually read it. I know this because what you're claiming is in it is not in it.
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The entire first 1/3 of the article refers to delays.
Famine
I.

And no I didn't. You still haven't actually read it. I know this because what you're claiming is in it is not in it.

Even the title you say is ragebait (it's certainly baited you into raging at a stranger) doesn't claim that there is a delay.
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Famine
I.

And no I didn't. You still haven't actually read it. I know this because what you're claiming is in it is not in it.

Even the title you say is ragebait (it's certainly baited you into raging at a stranger) doesn't claim that there is a delay.
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It literally says "delay" in the title.

Then there's this:
with reports over the last few days suggesting that Sony is pushing back the launch of the PlayStation 6 console...recent reports have suggested that the hardware side of this equation is now in doubt, with Sony reacting to impending supply chain issues and contemplating moving the PlayStation 6 back even further towards the end of the decade.
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You wrote that Sony has pushed the console back... which is synonymous with delay. And you attribute this to hardware shortages even though Sony stated during their earnings call that the lifecycle of the PS4 and PS5 are longer than previous generations.

So yes. You spent the first part of your article intimating that their PS6 console was delayed.

Do you have evidence or not?
 
Subtle1
It literally says "delay" in the title.
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It says "a delay", supposing there may be one. What you're seemingly reading is "the delay", which would be stating that there is one.
Subtle1
The entire first 1/3 of the article refers to delays.
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Yep. Probably more, since the purpose of the article is to suggest what consequence a delay could have on GT8 (what with that being the title). It's the framing for it.
Subtle1
You wrote that Sony has pushed the console back...
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Nope. I say that there are "reports over the last few days suggesting that Sony is pushing back the launch of the PlayStation 6". Look, you just quoted it verbatim.

Nowhere do I say it actually is happening.
Subtle1
So yes. You spent the first part of your article intimating that their PS6 console was delayed.
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Nope. No intimation, no stating, no "unsubstantiated claim".

Again, you're just reading something else other than what's written and raging about "ragebait" that isn't even there. You've even taken the trouble to register here to insult me for something I didn't write.

Seems more like a you thing.
 
Voodoovaj
Completely irrelevant. In fact, it emphasizes my point. PS4 was released at the end of 2013. GT6 in Spring of 2013.

In order to make a game for a console, you need the dev kits, and those dev kits need to be finalized before you can get the most out of your game. PD has always had historically long dev cycles and likely had a choice to make, either release on PS3 for the 15th anniversary, or release on PS4 and likely miss the 15th anniversary. They chose to release on PS3.

They'll make the same choice this time. Bank on it.
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No, it's completely relevant. PD are not going to make the same mistake of releasing a title on a previous gen console when a next gen console is literal months away. That is precisely why sales numbers were historically low for the franchise in GT6's life cycle.

They're going to wait it out for a next gen console, because Sony want to sell consoles, and they need games for said console.
 
Subtle1
Journos who write ragebait headlines want rage bait replies.

That's literally why it's called trolling. Because, like a fisherman he's cast his line in the water and it's trolling for hits.

He made an unsubstantiated claim that the PS6 was delayed. He doesn't have evidence.

It's that simple.
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You are digging yourself a nice 6x2x6 deep hole....
Gerarghini
Brother did you literally just join today to insult someone? 😭😭😭😭😭
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Mathaios_C
Releasing a prologue for ps5 has zero logic. Or you release a full big game with huge online and offline grid. Or a gt sport 2.0. Or anyway a game with a completely new online structure. Or better stick to gt7 until 2029/30.
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I think/hope PD want to push their engine to the limit. If I were the head of PD, I would push back the game's release to about 6 months away from a day one launch, then do a Prologue Beta of some sort on the PS6, mostly to see how we could push the online to its' max.
 
Dwhite
I think/hope PD want to push their engine to the limit. If I were the head of PD, I would push back the game's release to about 6 months away from a day one launch, then do a Prologue Beta of some sort on the PS6, mostly to see how we could push the online to its' max.
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I would hire you if i was working at pd
 
This is all good news a far as I can see. There’s damn-near next to zero demand for a PS6, when it feels like the PS5 console is just starting to hit its stride. Having said that, the base architecture for GT7 is solid, no need to reinvent the wheel or dedicate man hours to a “filler” Gran Turismo title when the resources would be better allocated to continuing the development of GT8. I’d go as far to take it a step further and think that PD/Sony is just going to keep down the road of quietly phasing out PS4 support by way of more Paid/PS5 only DLC.

Unfortunately, I’d be surprised if we ever see a single-platform Gran Turismo title again. As much as many of us would prefer otherwise, there’s more money to be made in the long run by keeping it a cross-gen title. Especially with the next console likely to be right around the $800-1000 mark. With those prices, making a single generation AAA title is a good way to cut your profits by 1/2 from the start… effectively further putting yourself behind the 8 ball in financing the development of GT9.
 
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Famine
It says "a delay", supposing there may be one. What you're seemingly reading is "the delay", which would be stating that there is one.

Yep. Probably more, since the purpose of the article is to suggest what consequence a delay could have on GT8 (what with that being the title). It's the framing for it.

Nope. I say that there are "reports over the last few days suggesting that Sony is pushing back the launch of the PlayStation 6". Look, you just quoted it verbatim.

Nowhere do I say it actually is happening.

Nope. No intimation, no stating, no "unsubstantiated claim".

Again, you're just reading something else other than what's written and raging about "ragebait" that isn't even there. You've even taken the trouble to register here to insult me for something I didn't write.

Seems more like a you thing.
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Come on man, don't confuse him with facts and nonsense like that. He might not come back :mischievous:.
 
Dwhite
No, it's completely relevant. PD are not going to make the same mistake of releasing a title on a previous gen console when a next gen console is literal months away. That is precisely why sales numbers were historically low for the franchise in GT6's life cycle.

They're going to wait it out for a next gen console, because Sony want to sell consoles, and they need games for said console.
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As i said before gt7 is a cross gen title, a nice way to say old gen game with a slightly better version, so it's irrelevant
 
Dwhite
I don't get what you're saying.

If GT8's a cross-gen title, there's no reason for PS5 users to pick up a PS6 unless there's a substantial difference, judging by this take. PD should not be held back by an inferior generation again.
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Ao let’s stick to gt7 until 2029/2030?
 
I must admit, for an article in the "News" section, this article appears to contain no actual "News" in it. There are NO NEW facts included, so where is the News?

All it seems to contain is supposition?

Much of it refers to the history of Covid19 (which is not news, it's history) GT3/4/5/6 (which is not news, it's history) and then supposes what might be the situation IF PS6 is delayed. Which is reported rumour(s) as stated in the article and not a fact.

And therefore everything that follows is, by definition, supposition (educated guesswork).

Based on the rumour, the article lists out possible impacts on "GT8" (a game which does not officially exist and does not officially have that title - nor does it have an official release date).

Where does the "anticipated timeline" come from (unless the author knows something I don't), I don't have any anticipated timeline for the next Gran Turismo game, other than sometime in the future. On what basis is there a thought that the PS6 and "GT8" are working towards similar windows? As the article reminds us, GT6 didn't come out on PS4 in the release, neither did GT Sport or GT7 come out in the same window as PS5. So, why might PD be working towards that for "GT8"?

Also, since Sony have never stated when the PS6 will release it has not been/cannot be delayed, so the title of the article appears to be incorrect?

To be delayed, a definite time reference has to occur (e.g.definition a period of time to which something is late or postponed) .

PS6 has never had a release date therefore it is not late or postponed and therefore it can not be delayed.

In the same way as the only GT game that has ever been delayed is GT Sport, because that is the only time the official release date as announced was changed to a later date.

The news article therefore appears to me to be history, rumour and supposition.
 
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sirjim73
I must admit, for an article in the "News" section, this article appears to contain no actual "News" in it. There are NO NEW facts included, so where is the News?

All it seems to contain is supposition?

Much of it refers to the history of Covid19 (which is not news, it's history) GT3/4/5/6 (which is not news, it's history) and then supposes what might be the situation IF PS6 is delayed. Which is reported rumour(s) as stated in the article and not a fact.

And therefore everything that follows is, by definition, supposition (educated guesswork).

Based on the rumour, the article lists out possible impacts on "GT8" (a game which does not officially exist and does not officially have that title - nor does it have an official release date).

Where does the "anticipated timeline" come from (unless the author knows something I don't), I don't have any anticipated timeline for the next Gran Turismo game, other than sometime in the future. On what basis is there a thought that the PS6 and "GT8" are working towards similar windows? As the article reminds us, GT6 didn't come out on PS4 in the release, neither did GT Sport or GT7 come out in the same window as PS5. So, why might PD be working towards that for "GT8"?

Also, since Sony have never stated when the PS6 will release it has not been/cannot be delayed, so the title of the article appears to be incorrect?

To be delayed, a definite time reference has to occur (e.g.definition a period of time to which something is late or postponed) .

PS6 has never had a release date therefore it is not late or postponed and therefore it can not be delayed.

In the same way as the only GT game that has ever been delayed is GT Sport, because that is the only time the official release date as announced was changed to a later date.

The news article therefore appears to me to be history, rumour and supposition.
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The PS6 and GT8 are new
 
sirjim73
I must admit, for an article in the "News" section, this article appears to contain no actual "News" in it. There are NO NEW facts included, so where is the News?
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We've never exclusively used the News section (which we colloquially refer to as the Blog) for this specific, narrow definition of "News". It's always contained wider articles, including guides, video highlights, things like member cars and the old Wednesday Want (things in the Suggestions forum we've plucked out for a laugh), opinion-editorials (op-eds) and items like this which are in essence summaries of information to provide a current overview of what we know.

And yes, the author usually knows something about this that is not better known externally and cannot be shared :lol: If you watched the most recent podcast...


I'm not sure where GT Sport being the only delayed game came from though. Even Polyphony Digital itself admitted to - and announced - a delay for Gran Turismo 5:

www.gran-turismo.com

"Gran Turismo 5" Release Delayed

The release of the PlayStation®3 software, "Gran Turismo 5" has been delayed from the previously...
www.gran-turismo.com www.gran-turismo.com

And that was only one of several delays for GT5, but I suppose the only one with an actual public launch date that was subsequently moved for the game. You can read several of the others in this article from the original March 2010 launch announcement that was missed:

www.gtplanet.net

Gran Turismo 5: March 2010 in Japan

Gran Turismo 5's release window has just been set to March 2010 for Japan, according to Kazunori Yamauchi at the TGS press conference. This, unfortunately, runs directly counter to everything that we've heard so far from a wide variety of sources for nearly an entire year: November 30, 2008 - Sony
www.gtplanet.net www.gtplanet.net

In fact GT5 is the game that gave the series the reputation for delays, even though it isn't strictly true beyond that (and Sport).
Mj6newb
can someone just explain it simply.
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Just scroll down to the final heading in the article. Or click this which takes you right there:

www.gtplanet.net

How a PlayStation 6 Delay Could Impact Gran Turismo 8

The anticipated timeline for the next Gran Turismo game looks to be a little more in doubt, with reports over the last few days suggesting that Sony is pushing back the launch of the PlayStation 6 console on which it was expected to debut. Like many of you, we've been expecting Polyphony Digital'
www.gtplanet.net www.gtplanet.net
 
Famine
We've never exclusively used the News section (which we colloquially refer to as the Blog) for this specific, narrow definition of "News". It's always contained wider articles, including guides, video highlights, things like member cars and the old Wednesday Want (things in the Suggestions forum we've plucked out for a laugh), opinion-editorials (op-eds) and items like this which are in essence summaries of information to provide a current overview of what we know.

And yes, the author usually knows something about this that is not better known externally and cannot be shared :lol: If you watched the most recent podcast...


I'm not sure where GT Sport being the only delayed game came from though. Even Polyphony Digital itself admitted to - and announced - a delay for Gran Turismo 5:

www.gran-turismo.com

"Gran Turismo 5" Release Delayed

The release of the PlayStation®3 software, "Gran Turismo 5" has been delayed from the previously...
www.gran-turismo.com www.gran-turismo.com

And that was only one of several delays for GT5, but I suppose the only one with an actual public launch date that was subsequently moved for the game. You can read several of the others in this article from the original March 2010 launch announcement that was missed:

www.gtplanet.net

Gran Turismo 5: March 2010 in Japan

Gran Turismo 5's release window has just been set to March 2010 for Japan, according to Kazunori Yamauchi at the TGS press conference. This, unfortunately, runs directly counter to everything that we've heard so far from a wide variety of sources for nearly an entire year: November 30, 2008 - Sony
www.gtplanet.net www.gtplanet.net

In fact GT5 is the game that gave the series the reputation for delays, even though it isn't strictly true beyond that (and Sport).

Just scroll down to the final heading in the article. Or click this which takes you right there:

www.gtplanet.net

How a PlayStation 6 Delay Could Impact Gran Turismo 8

The anticipated timeline for the next Gran Turismo game looks to be a little more in doubt, with reports over the last few days suggesting that Sony is pushing back the launch of the PlayStation 6 console on which it was expected to debut. Like many of you, we've been expecting Polyphony Digital'
www.gtplanet.net www.gtplanet.net
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Thank you for the clarification @Famine

I had completely forgotten about the GT5 delays which is on me (albeit it was, somehow, unbelievably, 16 years ago and i wonder where that time has gone...)

Personally, I'll just wait until actual release dates are known before I start thinking about the PS6 or the next GT game.

As for what the author may or may not know privately, I imagine in general that must sometimes make writing articles difficult, ad obviously the author can never "give the game away"... :lol: and I did watch the latest podcast...

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So in effect PD are developing for three platforms - PS5, PS5 Pro and PS6.

I'd rather see them target the PS5 Pro, remove some features for PS5, and push even further for PS6.

The one thing that really intrigues me is the call for direct wheel support - would Sony even sanction this?
 
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Stinhambo
So in effect PD are developing for three platforms - PS5, PS5 Pro and PS6.

I'd rather see them target the PS5 Pro, remove some features for PS5, and push even further for PS6.

The one thing that really intrigues me is the call for direct wheel support - would Sony even sanction this?
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The only difference that there can be between a game on PS5 and PS5 Pro is graphical performance, as mandated by Sony.

It would not go down well to have larger grid sizes or exclusive features only available to <15% of the users who bought the same SKU.

How direct does the wheel support need to be? We've got direct drive, or do you want access to the I/O? Hacking and customising wheels is competitively dangerous.
 
Cayit
I was hoping for end of 2027 the release of the PS6 & GT8...and still I didn't give up on it!
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It is pretty certain that ps6 will be delayed. The market situation is dire. If you don’t want extremely expensive console or highly cutted from memory and storage it better be delayed.
 
In my opinion sony push to have a new game out as soon as possible and probably this time with a more powerful microtransitions economy and better integrated. I mean..it was better in Gt sport then gt7…which is quite weird
 
SnakeOfBacon
The only difference that there can be between a game on PS5 and PS5 Pro is graphical performance, as mandated by Sony.

It would not go down well to have larger grid sizes or exclusive features only available to <15% of the users who bought the same SKU.

How direct does the wheel support need to be? We've got direct drive, or do you want access to the I/O? Hacking and customising wheels is competitively dangerous.
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By direct I mean directly accessing the wheel via software rather than via Sony licencing - I think that's what PD were getting at?
 

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