How "Special" are PRO race Drivers?

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I dont mean to stir up anger, but indeed; motor racing has become safe compared to surfing, competitive skiing for example. Dan Wheldon, along with his Moto GP counterpart, were a tragedy. May the Rest In Peace.

But it is true that activities like scuba diving, bull riding & american football have some pretty nasty rates.... Now football might not claim alot of immediate victims, but the damage done can certainly take a large toll....

If anything, the extreme levels of action sports would be the only places in sporting that the danger even comes close. Many FMX rider have been killed or paralyzed. Myself as a bmx rider have seen far too many injuries and people being paralyzed for the rest of their lives. FMX really is the only action sport, besides the extremes like sky diving, etc., that can compare in danger.
 
"There is no other sport as physically demanding as Formula One," says Renault driver Heikki Kovalainen.

Really? Isn't it the multi-million pound car that does all the hard work with its 700bhp engine and state-of-the-art aerodynamics, while the driver simply guides it round the track like a jockey?

"A lot of people think all the drivers do is sit in the car, put the throttle down and whichever car has more power that's who wins," says the Finn, 25.

But it is not quite as simple as that.

Formula One drivers need a unique combination of power, aerobic fitness and mental strength to handle speeds of more than 200mph and forces of more than 5G for 90 minutes at a time.

BBC Sport joined Kovalainen and his personal trainer Gabriele Polcari for a training session to find out why the anatomy of an F1 driver is as precisely engineered as the tools of their trade.

NECK - AND THE BENEFIT OF HAVING A THICK ONE

"My neck is too big for my body, isn't it?" Kovalainen, who is 1.70m (5ft 7in) tall, asks half-jokingly. "It measures 16-and-a-half inches so if I bought a normal shirt the sleeves would be near my fingers!"

Despite developing outsize proportions, building up the neck muscles is one of the most important aspects of an F1 driver's training.

When they hurtle into corners, the G-force makes their heads weigh around five times their normal weight - meaning the crash helmet alone weighs 7kg.

RACE WEEK ROUTINE

Monday: Neck training
Tuesday: Aerobic training
Wednesday: Travel day
Thursday: Stretching or treatment
Friday: Rest day or hotel gym
Saturday: Breathing exercises
Sunday: Recovery massage and stretching

"That puts a big stress on your neck," says Kovalainen. "Lap after lap of that weight and your neck starts to wear out."

Supporting the head and stopping it lurching from side to side requires beefed up neck and back muscles.

McLaren drivers can train using a helmet attached to pulleys which pull the neck from different angles.

Renault use manual resistance techniques specifically designed for each circuit - Kovalainen will sit in his helmet and Polcari will push his head in the same sequence of directions as the track.

"We sit for an hour-and-a-half and go through each turn," says Polcari.

"The neck and the aerobic condition are the two main facets for any F1 driver, so that is what we concentrate on."

CARDIOVASCULAR - GOING THE DISTANCE

"A good way to describe how fit we need to be is to say that each race we run a marathon but we cannot afford to get tired," explains Kovalainen.

The Finn has a resting heart beat of 58 beats per minute but his average rate during the race rises to 170 - the same as a marathon runner - before the adrenaline pushes it even higher.

"At the start, when I'm looking at the lights, I'm not moving a single muscle, but my heart rate is 185-90, which is close to my maximum," adds Kovalainen.

Drivers operate in cramped and constricted conditions, strapped in around the crotch and chest, amid sweltering temperatures and deafening engine noise.

"The body is constantly sweating and sometimes it's difficult to breathe," says Kovalainen. "But it's something we are all used to."

"some of the drivers jumped out of their cars and almost passed out," Polcari recalls.

Drivers prepare for these rigours with intensive training during the close season from November to March.

Then Kovalainen trains six days a week, twice a day; weights in the morning and aerobic exercise in the afternoon.

The aerobic conditioning is focused on running, cross-training and cycling where Kovalainen either maintains a specific heart rate for 90 minutes or pushes it through peaks and troughs.

"There is no other sport, apart from the marathon, where an athlete has their heart rate so high for such a long time," says Polcari.


Kovalainen will get to make a true comparison for himself in November when he runs the New York Marathon, as part of his winter training.

CORE STRENGTH - KEEPING IT ALL TOGETHER

"Balance is extremely important in F1," says Kovalainen. "You feel everything through your ass."

Steering such a powerful machine through the twists and turns of a track uses the core of the body; the abdomen, arms and back.

The whole upper body is tuned using free weights and chest presses so that it is stable enough to cope with the physical stress of the g-forces.

"We don't use heavy weights just pure power work as we are focused on building up strength and resistance," says Kovalainen.

ARMS - STEERING POWER

"Drivers do need strong arms, but not as muscley as boxers as then they would have too much bulk weight," explains Polcari. "They need light, strong muscles."

To get his arms used to the stress of holding a steering wheel for long periods during a race, Kovalainen strengthens them by balancing on top of an exercise ball and holding a 5kg weight in front of him.

Polcari then at intervals directs him to turn the weight left, right or back to the middle; he says: "I'm asking him for effort, concentration and reaction."

Kovalainen also works on improving his grip by lifting 3kg weights using slight turns of his wrist.

"Can you see the veins?" the Finn asks as the lactic acid starts to burn. "I'm preparing my forearms so in the race they know they need to be this strong again."

LEGS - FOR BRAKING POWER

"My legs are very slim," says Kovalainen. "Maybe they need to be a little bit stronger but not too muscley.

"The pedals in F1 cars are quite stiff, they're not easy like a road car, and the braking power is generated through the entire leg."

Kovalainen builds up his leg strength by holding up 90kg weights on a press machine with his legs and then quickly releasing and returning either the left or right foot depending on Polcari's command.

"I can't let the weights fall," explains Kovalainen. "I'm pushing and holding and combining reaction with strength."

HEAD - MENTAL STRENGTH


"We always try and involve the brain in training because in F1 we have to keep the brain running until the last straight," says Kovalainen.

"We cannot lose concentration, we have to talk to the team on the radio and, if you are well prepared physically, then there will a bit left in reserve for your brain to cope.

"The most important job for an F1 driver is to drive your pants off in the car, 110%, but you also need a good memory and awareness to communicate to the mechanics and engineers what the car is doing."

Kovalainen practises keeping his brain alert, and honing his hand-eye coordination, by using a batak reaction board, where the aim is to hit as many randomly-lit lights in 60 seconds as possible.

He tells me 60 lights for a first go is OK - I manage 47. His friend, a fighter pilot in the Finnish air force, hits 101. Kovalainen hits 121. Why is he so good?

"You have be alert for different situations in F1," says Kovalainen. "You have to be ready for something that is coming but you don't know when or where.

"Our job is to drive on average one-and-a-half days a week throughout the year, but the rest of the time is spent preparing for that.

"If we were not athletes, we'd just turn up and race, but if you are not physically and mentally prepared you cannot be successful in Formula One."



AAAANNNDD i rest my case. But then again, it´s your "opinion"...
 
In my opinion, one doesnt need to spend 12 hours a week training for formula racing outside the car...... but not many will believe that.....because they lack an open mind & are ignorant themselves (in my opinion.)
That's your opinion, personally I will place far more weight on the people actually involved rather than a person who has zero experience in the field.

A week warm-weather, pre-season training (Jenson Button).

4 Driving Specific Strength Sessions in gym per week: each session includes neck resistance exercises – 3 x 4 sets lasting 4 minutes each; 3 x 12 chin ups; 3 x 20 Swiss ball press ups; 3 x 150 180-degree turns of a 10kg weight, simulating a steering wheel.


Swimming: 4 sessions of 20 x 50 metres, most of which with floats and strengthening arms. Good for breathing, too, which is crucial for a driver.


Cycling: 2 x 1 hr, 45 min rides through Lanzarote mountains – high intensity.


Running: 1 x 8k run on road + 1 x mini-triathlon (8 x 50m swim, 32k cycle ride and 5k run) and 1 x duathlon (same run x 2, + same cycle ride).
Source - http://www.sportsvibe.co.uk/articles/motor-sport/jenson-button-training-zone/

Of your it would be interesting to know why you think this is un-needed based on your intimate knowledge of the demands of F1 driving and Jenson Buttons personal fitness levels. I look forward to being enlightened.

Oh and I know what you opinion is, that I (and others) disagree with it doesn't make us closed minded or ignorant, and I would suggest you stop with the insults.


I question professional racers' actual skill level because their being given an extraordinary privilege to do what they do not to mention a massive fan base, as much money as they;ll ever need & a pass on very poor behavior at times. (in my opinion). Its not right to blindly worship professional athletes, or race car drivers (in my opinion the majority of race car drivers are not athletes.) A pilot is not an athlete.
We have already covered this, you can have as much 'privilege' as you like, if you don't have the skill to get the licences required then you don't get to complete. The entire 'privilege' argument has been pretty much done over and unless you can show me a current F1 driver who 'bought' their super-licence its going to stay that way.

This also has nothing to do with blindly worshipping anyone and I would love to know how this has come to form part of your argument?

The comment that a 'pilot' is not an athlete simply shows just how little you actually know able what is required to drive cars of this nature.



Racers are rarely criticized, I believe that to be very wrong. Professional athletes too.
Utter and complete rubbish....

http://en.espnf1.com/hungary/motorsport/story/25325.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...nce-2011-a-recent-history-of-drug-cheats.html

http://www.cheatorbeat.com/top-10-sports-cheating-scandals/lists/1001

Those took all of five seconds with google to find, how many thousand more would you like?

As google shows 74 million matches for cheating in sport alone.


Scaff
 
In my opinion, one doesnt need to spend 12 hours a week training for formula racing outside the car...... but not many will believe that.....because they lack an open mind & are ignorant themselves (in my opinion.)

I question professional racers' actual skill level because their being given an extraordinary privilege to do what they do not to mention a massive fan base, as much money as they;ll ever need & a pass on very poor behavior at times. (in my opinion). Its not right to blindly worship professional athletes, or race car drivers (in my opinion the majority of race car drivers are not athletes.) A pilot is not an athlete.

I've stated "in my opinion" enough I think. ;)

IMO (in my opinion) MMA is 10 times the sport driving a race car is. Is driving a race car more rewarding & more fun? (I think so. :))

Racers are rarely criticized, I believe that to be very wrong. Professional athletes too.
You could say that about all sports, however it will effect the persons competitiveness quite a lot, maybe to the level of getting sacked.

The skill level is extremely high, think of say like the top 10 GT5 racers but they perform at that level of speed in the real world. I'm talking about the top F1 drivers.

Last part, do you even watch motorsport or read any news regarding sport?
 
If anything, the extreme levels of action sports would be the only places in sporting that the danger even comes close. Many FMX rider have been killed or paralyzed. Myself as a bmx rider have seen far too many injuries and people being paralyzed for the rest of their lives. FMX really is the only action sport, besides the extremes like sky diving, etc., that can compare in danger.

I think any sport that requires massive amounts of balls,pushing the body to the limits(mentally, and physically), and where physical harm is easy to achieve is considered an action sport. Especially skateboarding,racing, BMX,FMX etc. Sometimes in skating i have mental breakdowns in a sort of way. When i am so scared to jump down a set of stairs or anything dangerous like that and i have to block out my thoughts and go for it. Anything like that is what i believe a real sport is. The rest are games. Especially with racing where you need to push harder and harder to go faster. Like i said in my first full pace kart lap i was 🤬 my pants. Thats why i think racing drivers, or any action sports athlete's are more special than regular athletes.
 
Again thats Kovalainen's opinion, or "claims". Michael Schumacher's heart rate at Monaco showed an average of 140 which is substantially lower. :sly:

Its akin to saying "I gave it 110% without getting tired". ( in my opinion) Again in my opinion your leveling F1 drivers to that of comic book characters. Their human beings, and the job they do is not worth the money their paid (in my opinion.)

A tow truck driver risks their life everyday, and is paid less than 0.2% what Fernando Alonso "earns". (in my opinion) :sly:

Sebastion Vettel's neck does not look very thick. In fact In my opinion I bet I could get to Vettel's neck strength level with 5 weeks of training. Without being paid anything for it.

I've always been puzzled why people worship others, while forgetting or minimizing themselves. I can only think its the "group mentality" that has been passed down through evolution.

But these F1 drivers dont deserve to be treated like royalty (imo).

Many of them eat up the fame to sickening levels. To give Sebastion Vettel credit, he doesnt seem as much an arrogant prick as some of the other drivers. ;)
 
Its akin to saying "I gave it 110% without getting tired". ( in my opinion) Again in my opinion your leveling F1 drivers to that of comic book characters. Their human beings, and the job they do is not worth the money their paid (in my opinion.)

How much do you know about economics, mainly supply and demand?

If, as you say, anybody could do it there is no way any race car driver would be making millions.

A tow truck driver risks their life everyday, and is paid less than 0.2% what Fernando Alonso "earns". (in my opinion) :sly:

There is a huge difference in that literally anybody with the proper endorsement on their drivers license can be a tow truck driver. That isn't an opinion either, it's a fact.

I honestly suggest you just drop this issue as you sure aren't making yourself look smarter(in my opinion).
 
Again thats Kovalainen's opinion, or "claims". Michael Schumacher's heart rate at Monaco showed an average of 140 which is substantially lower. :sly:

Its akin to saying "I gave it 110% without getting tired". ( in my opinion) Again in my opinion your leveling F1 drivers to that of comic book characters. Their human beings, and the job they do is not worth the money their paid (in my opinion.)

A tow truck driver risks their life everyday, and is paid less than 0.2% what Fernando Alonso "earns". (in my opinion) :sly:

Sebastion Vettel's neck does not look very thick. In fact In my opinion I bet I could get to Vettel's neck strength level with 5 weeks of training. Without being paid anything for it.

I've always been puzzled why people worship others, while forgetting or minimizing themselves. I can only think its the "group mentality" that has been passed down through evolution.

But these F1 drivers dont deserve to be treated like royalty (imo).

Many of them eat up the fame to sickening levels. To give Sebastion Vettel credit, he doesnt seem as much an arrogant prick as some of the other drivers. ;)


Facepalm... I give up, i´ll just let this guy think he can be anywhere near an F1 driver in terms of pace or fitness...

No sir, you are the comic book character here.
 
Again thats Kovalainen's opinion, or "claims".


You seem to miss something obvious about yourself: You will make a statement such as this one, which was in response to a very long and detailed argument for race drivers being "special", wherein the other person used factual statements, yet you can't provide basic information regarding your interpretation of the term "athlete".



And then you make statements like this (and please consider the first thing I quoted you saying):

In my opinion, one doesnt need to spend 12 hours a week training for formula racing outside the car...... but not many will believe that.....because they lack an open mind & are ignorant themselves (in my opinion.)



So, "In your opinion, not many people will agree with your said opinions because they themselves are not open-minded, and are in fact ignorant.


"Lack an open mind"?


Yet you dismiss everything factual people have put in front of you...



Give me a break man. :lol:
 
Again thats Kovalainen's opinion, or "claims". Michael Schumacher's heart rate at Monaco showed an average of 140 which is substantially lower. :sly:
Different people are different, what a bloody huge surprise.

Now please provide details of other sports in which someone maintains an average heart rate for 140+ for 90mins.



Its akin to saying "I gave it 110% without getting tired". ( in my opinion) Again in my opinion your leveling F1 drivers to that of comic book characters. Their human beings, and the job they do is not worth the money their paid (in my opinion.)
What you think they do or do not has absolutely no bearing at all to whether they are as fit or as skilled as other top tier athlete's.

This straw man argument of your own making is simply a distraction from the discussion at hand.



A tow truck driver risks their life everyday, and is paid less than 0.2% what Fernando Alonso "earns". (in my opinion) :sly:
Please provide a breakdown of the risk factors involved in each job to justify your claim.


Sebastion Vettel's neck does not look very thick. In fact In my opinion I bet I could get to Vettel's neck strength level with 5 weeks of training. Without being paid anything for it.
I take it we get to see the before picture today and the after picture on Christmas eve, should be entertaining.


I've always been puzzled why people worship others, while forgetting or minimizing themselves. I can only think its the "group mentality" that has been passed down through evolution.

But these F1 drivers dont deserve to be treated like royalty (imo).

Many of them eat up the fame to sickening levels. To give Sebastion Vettel credit, he doesnt seem as much an arrogant prick as some of the other drivers. ;)
No one here is worshipping any form of athlete, you however seem to have a very bizarre hatred of them that is bubbling over into your posts and a being displayed in a single minded attempt to rubbish and belittle any form of racing driver.

Quite frankly your posts are now starting to border on the disturbing, with insulting rants beginning to characterise them.

I strongly suggest that you take a much more measured approach to your posts from now on, because right now you are not bothering to actually reply to the questions others are raising and simply ranting. It doesn't matter how much you put the phrase 'in my opinion' in front of it, if you are blindly ignoring the question of others and refusing to address the evidence presented you are not going to be taken seriously at all.


Scaff
 
Scaff, I have a skeptical "chip on my shoulder". I dont believe in everything I see or watch. Its just that way.

Maybe its Penn & Teller. :sly:
 
For the tow truck driver comment^
It can be pretty dangerous. My dads friends had his hand nearly ripped off from the wrist because of a cable snap when lifting a truck. They can also be endangered if they need to break quickly and their load makes them lose control and crash. (Ex: if someones cuts them off.)
 
Scaff, I have a skeptical "chip on my shoulder". I dont believe in everything I see or watch. Its just that way.
So everyone in the whole motorsport industry is just making it up?

Being sceptical is one thing, refusing point blank to believe a huge body of evidence is another.

Refusing to address direct questions regarding the discussion is another again.

I would also like you to explain exactly why you are sceptical about motorsport alone, you see this quote from you....

But I'm highly suspicious motor racing requires special ability compared to other professional sports which do

....quite clearly shows that you are 'highly suspicious' of motorsport, but every other professional sport seems to get a pass?

Why is that?




Maybe its Penn & Teller. :sly:
No its just you.

Now if I can just recap.

You have no experience of track racing but the following are all (in your opinion) correct:

  • Motorsport requires not 'talent' to be successful
  • Drivers fitness levels are generally low even at the highest level
  • You can get to within seconds of Webber in 30 laps in an F1 car
  • You know more about Jenson Button's fitness needs than him and his trainer
  • The motorsport industry 'makes' up the level of fitness needed
  • Privilege is enough to succeed
  • Licences are pointless
  • Drivers are just pilots who should never be compared to 'real athletes' in terms of skill and fitness
  • Just about anyone could adapt quickly to the demands of driving an F1 car
  • You can acquire Vettal's neck strength in five weeks

And last but not least anyone who disagrees with the above is close minded and ignorant.

Now despite a frankly huge body of evidence (from numerous sources) that clearly disputes your opinion being presented, we are all wrong.

So does that sum up your 'opinion'?



Scaff
 
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I had this weird dream, that some one was comparing F1 drivers to tow truck drivers, and that in 5 weeks, they would be able to condition their body to that of elite sportsman.

O, how I laughed.

I do believe, this is what has happened, and the digging is still going on.

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Not sure if anyone brought this up, but in the aspect of fitness, look at the bodies of Carl Edwards and Mark Martin (who is 50 still racing on tough tracks) they could easily fall into line with a welterweight boxer in size. These people have to take on several Gs that only Fighter pilots have the right to scoff at, much less some computer jokey trying to troll GTP.

Then you have to look at the fact that this guys don't just race f1 but many other series of racing. You also have some that do other athletic sports like futbol, marathon runs and triathalons among other things. Yet some how they're not fit enough? This isn't you going to work everyday. The car is only the tool and doesn't do the job, if that were the case then the pilot wouldn't be needed. That's like saying the basketball does all the work for the basketball player, kinda moronic.

Also we come to the last part, mental fitness. Other sports require the fitness but few require the strategic ability racing offers along with the physical aspect. Let's looks at Vettel, thought of something else for a quick instant rather than racing and the result was a spin during Suzuka practice. The speeds at which these cars move are hard for an average person to comprehend, yet F1 drivers make it seem easy.
 
Again thats Kovalainen's opinion, or "claims". Michael Schumacher's heart rate at Monaco showed an average of 140 which is substantially lower. :sly:

Its akin to saying "I gave it 110% without getting tired". ( in my opinion) Again in my opinion your leveling F1 drivers to that of comic book characters. Their human beings, and the job they do is not worth the money their paid (in my opinion.)
How on god's green earth was anything Kovalainen talked about an opinion?

He described his workout routine. He did not claim anything, he specifically talked about the training he went through. Everything he stated is a cold hard bloody fact because he actually did everything he talked about. Again, where is his opinion about his own workout regime? Actually, I know the answer to that question & it's that you didn't read a single word past the first sentence.

This is about the only picture I can come up that perfectly describes your "argument".
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Also we come to the last part, mental fitness. Other sports require the fitness but few require the strategic ability racing offers along with the physical aspect. Let's looks at Vettel, thought of something else for a quick instant rather than racing and the result was a spin during Suzuka practice. The speeds at which these cars move are hard for an average person to comprehend, yet F1 drivers make it seem easy.

The recent Grand Prix in Abu Dhabi, had a cockpit shot of Vettel doing his pole lap, and with the clear visor, for almost the whole lap, he didn't appear to blink, just total concentration.

Similar sort of thing when Senna was racing in Monaco, and he said that he felt he was in a out of body experience, just putting in lap after lap, without realising what he was doing.

This is about the only picture I can come up that perfectly describes your "argument".
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This one is about where I am.

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I dont think a fighter pilot can really scoff because they take vertical g's and not a lot of lateral g's.

Vertical G´s are the most "dangerous" though.

The blood stays in the same place in lateral G´s but you will get either a red-out or a black-out with vertical G´s without a G-suit.

Red-outs i believe you can get even with a G-suit and from what i´ve heard is the most unpleasant G-force you can get.
 
Vertical G´s are the most "dangerous" though.

The blood stays in the same place in lateral G´s but you will get either a red-out or a black-out with vertical G´s without a G-suit.

Red-outs i believe you can get even with a G-suit and from what i´ve heard is the most unpleasant G-force you can get.

But still dealing with high lateral g's can cause internal organs to hit each other and that can hurt pretty bad right?
 
But still dealing with high lateral g's can cause internal organs to hit each other and that can hurt pretty bad right?

Yes and no, The body itself can withstand G´s up to over 200G´s.

It´s for how long that G forces is active. If it´s a split second, the body is fine but if it´s a bit longer then all the organs would be mash potato basically.

So it´s better to hit something that stop you instantly then it is to hit something that gradually will slow you down, elongating the force itself.

Kenny Bräck i think had the highest measured G-force in (what was it Champcar? Indycar?) when he crashed.

Checked Wiki while i´m at it, 214g´s was the peak :)
He broke alot of bones but organs seems to have been ok. Probably some bruising but overall fine.
 
Its akin to saying "I gave it 110% without getting tired". ( in my opinion) Again in my opinion your leveling F1 drivers to that of comic book characters. Their human beings, and the job they do is not worth the money their paid (in my opinion.)

A tow truck driver risks their life everyday, and is paid less than 0.2% what Fernando Alonso "earns". (in my opinion) :sly:

Sebastion Vettel's neck does not look very thick. In fact In my opinion I bet I could get to Vettel's neck strength level with 5 weeks of training. Without being paid anything for it.

I've always been puzzled why people worship others, while forgetting or minimizing themselves. I can only think its the "group mentality" that has been passed down through evolution.

About the pay thing why not argue that footballers are paid even more ridiculous amounts? It's almost the same thing isnt it? Both sports in which require you to be the best to stand out and both sports which media is a rather big part of it.

While you're puzzled at how people worship racing drivers I'm puzzled at how you think the world centres around you and that you can easily best them in weeks. Although you can prove me wrong by actually doing it, until then nobody will be convinced. Its just talk anyway?
 
Yes and no, The body itself can withstand G´s up to over 200G´s.

It´s for how long that G forces is active. If it´s a split second, the body is fine but if it´s a bit longer then all the organs would be mash potato basically.

So it´s better to hit something that stop you instantly then it is to hit something that gradually will slow you down, elongating the force itself.

Kenny Bräck i think had the highest measured G-force in (what was it Champcar? Indycar?) when he crashed.

Checked Wiki while i´m at it, 214g´s was the peak :)
He broke alot of bones but organs seems to have been ok. Probably some bruising but overall fine.
I think the part I bolded requires rewording ;).
 
Yea sorry, my english is fine but not perfect :)

But it is essentially true for the organs in your body. They can take 200G´s for a split second and not get damaged but take 200G´s for one second and it´s a total mess.
 
Yea sorry, my english is fine but not perfect :)

But it is essentially true for the organs in your body. They can take 200G´s for a split second and not get damaged but take 200G´s for one second and it´s a total mess.

Didn't David Purely crash at Silverstone testing estimated at 179G? Highest G impact ever survived?
 
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