If you ran F1...

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can you do it better than bernie

  • yes

    Votes: 25 62.5%
  • no

    Votes: 15 37.5%

  • Total voters
    40

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Bernie sucks. can you do it better? lets hear you ideas. me, I would say that if a team wants to fire somebody, wait till the end of the season.
 
Yes, I can do it better. I'm sure Bernie's doesn't work so well at his age anyway. Oh!

I think everyone can just say they'd do it better though. I still think it would be fun to see what teams would come up with on an unrestricted spec.
 
Bernie sucks. can you do it better? lets hear you ideas. me, I would say that if a team wants to fire somebody, wait till the end of the season.
Bernie has no control over what a team can and cannot with their staff.

I think everyone can just say they'd do it better though. I still think it would be fun to see what teams would come up with on an unrestricted spec.
Bernie has no control over the technical rules and regulations governing F1.

Bernie seems to get a lot of slagging over things that he has no control over.
 
I voted no. Regardless of the flak he gets, he's turned F1 from highlights-only fringe sport to mainstream, live coverage; F1 is unlikely to go belly-up whilst he's around - he'll find a way, even if it makes him look like an idiot, to ensure the series survives commercially. With his ruthlessness and business acumen, there's no way I could achieve anything like he has.
 
I'd like to see anyone here convince someone to spend £200m building a race track, then pay them £30m per annum for three hours of TV coverage of their country.
 
first of my set of new things in f1 would be returning to season 1993...
cars would have to look the same as that year and rules the same too...
ofcourse safety first so i would improve it to maximum limits...
no TC, but would be manual gearbox with clutch... no turbocharges, KERS stays...
slicks... ecc...
i could continue forever like this... cheers to all f1 fans!
 
first of my set of new things in f1 would be returning to season 1993...
cars would have to look the same as that year and rules the same too...
ofcourse safety first so i would improve it to maximum limits...
no TC, but would be manual gearbox with clutch... no turbocharges, KERS stays...
slicks... ecc...
i could continue forever like this... cheers to all f1 fans!
Ecclestone controls none of that.
 
You know what... we all put "yes" and everything, but I don't think any of us really know everything that Bernie's job entails (me included).
 
I'd like to see anyone here convince someone to spend £200m building a race track, then pay them £30m per annum for three hours of TV coverage of their country.

+1. I'm as big a critic of Bernie as anyone... I disagree with his suggestions on points systems and medal systems, and I think his petty wars with people like Ron Dennis and Flavio detract from the sport, but he's an astute businessman... one who's done a lot to bring F1 to the mainstream... and the circus he's built around F1 has added a lot to the mystique and buzzworthiness of the sport.

In media... no news is bad news... every news item, be it event schedule, driver transfer, first win, last win, gossip, or scandal... increases awareness of the sport... which is good, from a business standpoint.

The worst things to happen to the sport in the past years have emphatically not been Bernie's fault... they were the fault of McLaren and Renault, respectively.

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That's not to say that I'd like to see someone else handling it... or that I agree with any or all of Bernie's decisions... but it'd be delusional of me to say that I could do the job he does...
 
Well, yeah, most of us are just fans; we don't actually work in motorsports to be able to say "I can do that on a whim". But I bet I can find people who are more qualified to do that job, even if I can't do it myself. Bernie's problems have more to do with his insider connections with the old guard that lets him overreach his authority sometimes.
 
I would re-hire Bernie, clone him, freeze his clones and then everytime one dies, defrost a clone.
He may be mad, he may be outrageous, but Bernie keeps F1 sorted - just read any driver or team principal's opinion of him.

When Bernie leaves, F1 will change, for better or worse no one will know.

If I can't rehire Bernie, I'd hire Gerhard Berger.

Well, yeah, most of us are just fans; we don't actually work in motorsports to be able to say "I can do that on a whim". But I bet I can find people who are more qualified to do that job, even if I can't do it myself. Bernie's problems have more to do with his insider connections with the old guard that lets him overreach his authority sometimes.

Give an example of him "overreaching" his authority. He has the right to bash people's head together if they are in anyway effecting the value of F1.....e.g. the FOTA split, its in his interests to keep F1 popular and functioning. He answers to CVC and they are still in a lot of debt I believe for holding the rights. So he is well within his rights to tell people what to do when they start acting like idiots.
 
How is making a suggestion overreaching his authority? Can you really prove that he made the FIA think its a good idea?

Have you forgotten so soon?? The FIA did, in fact push for Bernie's medal system; were it not for the FOTA, they'd have enacted it this year!

Have you forgot how Bernie was like "Yeah, I talked to all the teams and they agree", and then FOTA was like "Um...no we didn't", but he still pushed for it anyways and it was set to a vote and it was voted down?
 
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Exactly ^^. The rule was actually implemented for this season until FOTA read through the FIA regulations and found stating changes for the following season have to be made x amount of days before the opening event... can't really remember the exact details.

Furthermore, I disagree with the medal system. Although Button did eventually win the championship, he would have pretty much won it before half the season had even passed, winning 6 out of the first 7 races. I wouldn't mind the points system being changed to stop teams "settling for 2nd". I also don't agree on the no refuelling issue for next season because it adds another dimension to F1 as stated by Brundle. But that's another issue and now I'm starting to ramble.
 
Have you forgotten so soon?? The FIA did, in fact push for Bernie's medal system; were it not for the FOTA, they'd have enacted it this year!

Have you forgot how Bernie was like "Yeah, I talked to all the teams and they agree", and then FOTA was like "Um...no we didn't", but he still pushed for it anyways and it was set to a vote and it was voted down?

Its as easy to think that FOTA tells the truth as much as Bernie does. Is it beyond FOTA to use it as a chance to discredit Bernie?

Point is, Bernie has minimal influence on what the FIA do beyond making suggestions relating to the marketing of F1. Such as which races they go to.
 
Its as easy to think that FOTA tells the truth as much as Bernie does. Is it beyond FOTA to use it as a chance to discredit Bernie?

What exactly would they achieve by discrediting Ecclestone and voting against something that, according to him, they supported, against their apparent interests? If they voted against it (adamantly so), can you really say Bernie was telling the truth?

The fact is Bernie pushed for changes in the way the championship is decided (an authority delegated to the FIA). Even after the teams made an official statement rejecting the idea, the FIA still set it to a vote. And even after it was voted down, Ecclestone himself still suggested it would be implemented obligatorily.

Face it, the medal thing was HIS and HIS ONLY. And it was an overreach of his job in pushing for an FIA mandate on this.
 
No, if I could I certainly would. It is only natural to think you can do better than someone, however they rarely know what the person has to actually deal with.
 
Bernie sucks. can you do it better? lets hear you ideas. me, I would say that if a team wants to fire somebody, wait till the end of the season.

In what way do you intend this? Improving the sport or improving the commercial success of the sport? The first, yes. The second, no. I have a soul.
 
I would say that if a team wants to fire somebody, wait till the end of the season.
If a team wants to fire someone because they're under-performing, they're perfectly entitled to do so. Why should a driver be allowed to waste a valuable race seat, trundling around somewhere well off the pace when the team coud get another driver in and salvage valuable championship points?
 
I voted yes, although I know that's more than just a little BS.

One thing I'd do would make races more affordable to hold. As long as it's commercially viable.

Secondly, I wouldn't discount tracks purely because of the "facilities". A good racetrack is a good racetrack. As long as it is physically possible to hold a race there, it can happen.

Secondly, I'd up the grid to 30 cars, however the 4 slowest cars would fail to qualify for the race unless they were within 107% of the P10 qualifying time, making qualifying a little bit more exciting (even though it is great already).

Third, I'd give a point for pole position and fastest lap times.

That's all I can think of just now, but I'm sure more will come to me.
 
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Secondly, I'd up the grid to 30 cars, however the 4 slowest cars would fail to qualify for the race unless they were within 107% of the P10 qualifying time, making qualifying a little bit more exciting (even though it is great already).

And make it next to impossible for the slower teams to get sponsorship?

No company will spend millions sponsoring a team who only run for 20 minutes on a Saturday lunch time. Would they?
 
Had some thought...was thinking of a somewhat Champ Car-based formula.

Basic car specifications

3.0 turbo V8 with pop-off valve at 15psi, and overboost function to 19psi. Valves controlled by FIA
Car physically larger and heavier (700KG without fuel/driver) (simply because I want to see how the constructors overcome this)
Allow limited ground effects tunnels with a set cubic meter limit: limit will be determined by laser inspection on raceday
steel brakes
no KERS, as not even teams are enthusiastic about them.
Win Penalty system: more a car/driver wins, and the better they finish, the more weight it must have at weigh-in before and after race. 30kg - 1st, 20kg - 2nd, 10kg - 3rd, or something to that effect.
13,000 RPM Rev Limiter
Alcohol-based fuel (methanol or ethanol)
Minimum fuel mileage of 2.5 MPG (US)

Homologation:

All parts must be submitted, inspected, and homologated before they are allowed for use. A team may not race with an unhomologated part. If a team is found to have an unhomologated part, the team loses all championship points earned, must return the race winnings, and the car shall be impounded, only returned after a thorough disassembly andinspection. All parts other than those in an engine may be submitted for homologation mid-season. Engines, transmissions and their parts may only be homologated during the off-season. All points-scoring cars will go through an engine-disassembly-inspection to check for part homologation. Parts must be bolted-in: permanent methods of fastening (rivets, welds, casting parts within others) is prohibited. Homologated parts are kept on hand to compare, in order to ensure that a part is the same. Chassis Parts may not be outside a + - 1 mm consistency tolerance, tighter for engine parts. Chassis parts must also weigh within + - 1g of the homologation part, less for engine parts. The main chassis is kept to tight tolerances as well.

Lean inspection methods will be used to expediate the homologation process.

^The preceding, after reading, seems to be outside the rule of Ecclestone, but I'd make sure I had a hand in that, anyway. X3

Courses and season:

Courses chosen will be based upon their safety, challenge to the driver, historical significance, and condition. Olympic-grade facilities are not required, however, facilities must be clean, well-kept, and accessible. All accessibility standards for sporting facilities must be met. A longer schedule, with more races, will be run, minimally 20 rounds, ideally 30. The season will start sooner, ending later. Teams may choose to run a limited schedule, but will not be eligible for championship points. However, they will be eligible for prize money. Teams must announce their intention to run a limited schedule, and cars must be homologated, before the season starts.

Financial:

Teams must submit a full report of expenses and gains for the entire season. The FIA will work closely with governments for financial information. If any large amounts of money are found missing, and anything is found awry, the team will be disqualified from Formula 1, and the government will take appropriate action. The FIA authorizes the Government of the Nation within which the team is based to take any action necessary, including, but not limited to, Military or Police action against the team. At this point, the implementation of a budget cap is undecided. Bribes will be enforced even more strongly than before, resulting in an immediate 5-year ban for the team and manufacturer involved, and immediate termination of the FIA official.

Spying:

Because all cars must be homologated, and information on the cars is kept on hand, no FIA member may release information about a team's parts to any member of another team. The penalty is a 5-year ban and immediate termination of the FIA official. Direct espionage between teams will result in a 3-year ban for both teams, regardless of guilty/victim status.
 
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And make it next to impossible for the slower teams to get sponsorship?

No company will spend millions sponsoring a team who only run for 20 minutes on a Saturday lunch time. Would they?

Ahh... See this would go down in the history books as my downfall.
 
And make it next to impossible for the slower teams to get sponsorship?

No company will spend millions sponsoring a team who only run for 20 minutes on a Saturday lunch time. Would they?

Well they did in the 80s and 90s ;)

But yeah, not going to happen, besides that rule was only introduced on the grounds of safety to get rid of either cars too slow or unreliable to be even racing or get rid of horrible rookies.
There has rarely been a driver outside of 107% in the past years, even Badoer would have been well within it this year.
 
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