I'm willing to take on a big task: Discuss: New Reputation Thread

[Blitz24]

Am sorry that you feel that way.?
Its not a question of it going over badly its more a question of it being thrown at us.

Jan 09 2012, 12:14 AM then 6 posts later. Jan 09 2012, 3:46 AM

And thats it.? All decided and no one is any the wiser until it appears in the Marketplace?

Thats the so called debate that we and many have not seen.?
Plus I do noticed that your all in America and thats also another issue why myself and most of Europe never saw it either. Time zones play a big part in the community.?
Sorry but while I appluad Nicksfix for taking the task on to do something about, At least give the community a chance to have there opinion on something they use a lot.?

Also from what I see too is that Nicksfix has had 1 thread in the marketplace and all of sudden he,s wanting to changed something that has been working for most of the community for a long time.?
If a trade came my way from him he would be some one I trusted not because of a reputation thread but simply because he has over 3000 posts and a history of being here for some time.?
That speaks volume over something written in a reputation thread.
And especially one thats been working fine for those who do use it.?
Chat soon mate bye for now.

He did give the community a chance by posting it here. That was the point of this entire thread.

 

[JK83]

He did give the community a chance by posting it here. That was the point of this entire thread.

GPLanet helpdesk...I think 99% traders didnt never readed this place before this.Well Im gonna make US user in a bit if that makes so mutch here 👍

 

[christara321]

He did give the community a chance by posting it here. That was the point of this entire thread.

I know he did mate but like I say not every one reads every thread.
We only read what interest us as individuals.?
Plus 6 posts on a time scale that this thread could of easily disappeared before most of Europe got a chance to see it.
Simply by all other posts being made would of moved this down the list and only the newer threads get a tendencie to be read if read at all?

Plus the title of thread is not exactly saying am going to changed the reputation thread and the old one is going to be closed down.
Might of got more interest then.?

Plus like many who come here to GTPlanet, How many times have people corrected others to read the A.U.P simply because they use text speak which is frowned upon here. But still need to them point to go read that?

Also that go,s to every new member which also come here who still put trades up for untradeable cars. Thats another thing that stickies are supposed to do, But serve no purpose because they get fly by any new members.?
Like I say and many who use the marketplace on a very regular basis.
We feel that its kind of been thrown upon us.?

Another point why fix something that is not broke.
Last post before the Reputation thread was closed : Yesterday, 1:13 PM
And if you look at posts before that it was being used in a regular way?
Chat soon bye for now.

 

[Blitz24]

He personally found it was broken (I personally didn't see a huge issue with it). I agree that it hasn't been maintained well recently but he wanted to undertake a task and asked for permission from the staff. Unfortunately this wasn't also discussed with the frequented members of that section.

 

[christara321]

He personally found it was broken (I personally didn't see a huge issue with it). I agree that it hasn't been maintained well recently but he wanted to undertake a task and asked for permission from the staff. Unfortunately this wasn't also discussed with the frequented members of that section.

Do not get me wrong I would love to see a better and updated rep thread but I also feel that while its frequented by all who use the marketplace then it should be them who throw ideas in and hopefully merge old thread and the new thread and also import new ideas to get it to work better?
But I do not envy his task, but I do appluad it.
And for some one who has been here since 2008 I reckon he,ll do a good job.👍
Chat soon bye for now.

 

[latoslapise]

I may be misreading the OP but I believe the number system isn't based on what number a person gives but they get a single point for a successful trade. For example I deliver a car as promised but fail on the next one then the number next to my name would be 1/2, meaning out of two trades i was successful for only one trade.

 

[HOODFIELD]

The thread was never broken, it just was not clear how it worked. I personally feel having a scoring system in the manner that is being presented makes no sense. Not to mention impossible to maintain. The old thread was self-sufficient, all you had to do was type a members name in the search bar and you could read the feedback.

I apologize to Nicksfix for making a fuss about this but I would have spoke up sooner if I saw this thread. I applaud your effort but please don't erase a year worth of trading history with a new thread.

@Blitz24 I understand this thread is in the correct section of the forum, but it's not unreasonable to expect the discussion to be linked into the old thread so members of the marketplace are aware of such a change. Especially a thread titled "I'm willing to take on a big task." Pointing out that we missed this thread proves nothing except your a better reader than me. It does not explain how this new system is better than the old?

I have been trading on the marketplace for over a year. The person who suggest a new thread I don't believe has ever traded on the marketplace.

Lets tweak the original idea of changing ownership and cleaning up the OP with clear instructions. Thats all that is needed. Starting a new thread is bad practice around here I thought?

 

[Blitz24]

The thread was never broken, it just was not clear how it worked. I personally feel having a scoring system in the manner that is being presented makes no sense. Not to mention impossible to maintain. The old thread was self-sufficient, all you had to do was type a members name in the search bar and you could read the feedback.

I apologize to Nicksfix for making a fuss about this but I would have spoke up sooner if I saw this thread. I applaud your effort but please don't erase a year worth of trading history with a new thread.

@Blitz24 I understand this thread is in the correct section of the forum, but it's not unreasonable to expect the discussion to be linked into the old thread so members of the marketplace are aware of such a change. Especially a thread titled "I'm willing to take on a big task." Pointing out that we missed this thread proves nothing except your a better reader than me. It does not explain how this new system is better than the old?

I have been trading on the marketplace for over a year. The person who suggest a new thread I don't believe has ever traded on the marketplace.

Lets tweak the original idea of changing ownership and cleaning up the OP with clear instructions. Thats all that is needed. Starting a new thread is bad practice around here I thought?

I don't see it as bad practice (although I'm not sure where "here" is in your statement). The OP had a suggestion and requested moderator approval prior to undertaking the action and posted here (the Help Desk) in order to do so.

 

[christara321]

I don't see it as bad practice (although I'm not sure where "here" is in your statement). The OP had a suggestion and requested moderator approval prior to undertaking the action and posted here (the Help Desk) in order to do so.

I will answer that "here" is in regards to GTPlanet.
Many a people get annoyed that 2 threads with the same thing on offer seems pointless. And moderators believe this to be the case also and tend to close one of them down.?
Plus once again not every one reads every single thread that gets posted on GTPlanet.
Thats why its only now it has only risen to light since people have been made aware of a 6 post discussion.?
Chat soon bye for now.

While am at it the Help Desk is not just specific to GT5 its more of a general place to post for help on matters regarding GTPlanet.? Unlike the marketplace which is more specific to GT5.

Posted here may of got more of a response.?

 

[Rob192005]

I may be misreading the OP but I believe the number system isn't based on what number a person gives but they get a single point for a successful trade. For example I deliver a car as promised but fail on the next one then the number next to my name would be 1/2, meaning out of two trades i was successful for only one trade.

I think that's how it always was and simply wasn't maintained due to op leaving/not having the time etc,I think a new one is a good idea and will help newer members see who's who here.

 

[Rayzah]

Well, this thread is already two days old, and has yet to see an update to the main OP.
Already an epic fail, I don't see what was wrong with the old thread?
Maybe a mod could re-open it, and modify the main OP to show the precise way to search for a member through posts, thus giving insight to his reputation in the trading thread?

 

[latoslapise]

Yea I guess so, looks like a lot of work

 

[cphbullet]

Not got much to say on the matter except after reading all the posts so far id have to agree that theres no need for a new reputation thread and that control of editing the old thread should be moved.

 

[Rob192005]

Alright,I think the general consensus here Nick is that you should take over the old one rather than make a new one..

 

[latoslapise]

Perhaps but would kind of void the notion of a clean slate. While I agree that it would be easier if he could take over the previous thread. The thing is the Mods obviously didn't do that, perhaps they have their reasons. But TBH I believe the most important thing is that the thread will be updated.

 

[Rob192005]

👍👍👍

 

[christara321]

People who use the reputation thread throughout the past looks like there opinions count for nothing.
A 6 post thread (https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6492629&posted=1#post6492629)which discussed the instaling of a new reputation thread was above and beyond any one,s means of shouting up for the old thread to remain.
Just because some one didn,t understand the old thread or it wasn,t maintained the censors is to install a new one.

It work not by people saying Mr blog had 30 + positives.
It worked by the means of Mr blog had a trade with some one and it went well.
So any body who saw that knows they can apply so much trust in having a good trade with him in the future.

You do not need to score anyone or even put the word + positive and its just a question of a easy trade.
Its all about trust and a years worth of trust as gone out of the window with the closing of the old thread.
When does the people who built all that trust up get put into the thread.?
Like I say stickies in any where get flown over by most new members or practically anyone for that matter so the old thread might has well be slung in the bin.

I think this is the biggest load of rubbish that has gone on here since I joined.
And my reason for that is not against anyone for taking the task on to improve the reputation thread but just to wash over any ones opinions.?
And to think trust is the key word.
To trust that we are going to get a thread thats maintained for years to come, Bah humbug thats what every one expected when the original reputation thread was installed.?
Chris out of here.

 

[Outeke]

My suggestion would be all old traders who has been doing this for the last 5-12 months should stop and make space for the new kids on the block.

I think the way GTP has handled this idea is totally wrong, but that is just fact now. They decide and that is it.
Personally I never cared about the reputation thread, I use my own knowledge and resources to know who to trust or not (yes I did got scammed twice out of the 12 months trading I did)

For me (old trader) counts, I know who we are and do we need a reputation thread for common trading?

In post #12 I already said I would not post reputations feedback in this thread, and will stick to it.

 

[Slender_Man]

I may follow what you two are doing with this as i know who i trust when trading...

 

[christara321]

But TBH I believe the most important thing is that the thread will be updated.

Here is a quote from the old thread which IN MY OPINION NEVER NEEDED MAINTENANCE IT WORKED BY BEING SELF SUFFICIENT
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"ch1potle Bob" POST NUMBER #8820 Jan 11 2012, 12:07 AM

werty_56-1 +positive Thank you for your donations mate!
ajns73 +positive always a pleasure to deal with.
bellacoal +positive thank you very much.
bianis82 +positive very generous and kind.
nt1138 +positive happy to have as a friend.
06busa +positive thank you very much.
dgar +positive thank you very much.
RagingPwner +positive thank you very much.
gtgta86 +positive thank you very much.
meister_dan +positive thank you very much.
Clytius +positive thank you very much.
RBW +positive thank you very much.
killer tiller +positive thank you for the trades.
DevilTuned +positive thank you for the trades

Great doing business with you guys
____________________________


Reason for posting this is to make people understand how and why the old thread was a good place to report any trades you had or done.
The above quote shows that ch1potle is a good respected trader.
He then trades with a various amount of people he has done trades with.
I see this information and then if I decide to trade with werty_56-1 I know I have a certain amount of trust in him because he completed a trade with ch1potle.

I think thats self explanertry to any one who use,s the Old reputation thread.

No need to score people or put lists up or to change the OP.
It all explains itself.?

Couple of weeks down line pass,s by and ajns73 comes to me in a PM oh I have a car you need you want to trade, Oh yes please I have searched this section found out you have traded with people and they are all complete then thats fine lets go for it.?

The old thread ran itself.​

 

[latoslapise]

Here is a quote from the old thread which IN MY OPINION NEVER NEEDED MAINTENANCE IT WORKED BY BEING SELF SUFFICIENT
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"ch1potle Bob" POST NUMBER #8820 Jan 11 2012, 12:07 AM

werty_56-1 +positive Thank you for your donations mate!
ajns73 +positive always a pleasure to deal with.
bellacoal +positive thank you very much.
bianis82 +positive very generous and kind.
nt1138 +positive happy to have as a friend.
06busa +positive thank you very much.
dgar +positive thank you very much.
RagingPwner +positive thank you very much.
gtgta86 +positive thank you very much.
meister_dan +positive thank you very much.
Clytius +positive thank you very much.
RBW +positive thank you very much.
killer tiller +positive thank you for the trades.
DevilTuned +positive thank you for the trades

Great doing business with you guys
____________________________

Reason for posting this is to make people understand how and why the old thread was a good place to report any trades you had or done.
The above quote shows that ch1potle is a good respected trader.
He then trades with a various amount of people he has done trades with.
I see this information and then if I decide to trade with werty_56-1 I know I have a certain amount of trust in him because he completed a trade with ch1potle.

I think thats self explanertry to any one who use,s the Old reputation thread.

No need to score people or put lists up or to change the OP.
It all explains itself.?

Couple of weeks down line pass,s by and ajns73 comes to me in a PM oh I have a car you need you want to trade, Oh yes please I have searched this section found out you have traded with people and they are all complete then thats fine lets go for it.?

The old thread ran itself.

Please read the OP of the old thread to see How the thread was meant to be operated. True the thread was running great all by itself , but I kind of get this hunch that the Mods wanted to restore the thread to what it was expose/meant to be. But then again I may be mistaken because sad to say our rep thread is slowly becoming a chat thread.

 

[christara321]

Understand what you mean but when a thread runs itself why update it with a new thread when eventually it could and likely turn into the same thing your descibing.?

Plus when its running itself why have some one update an OP with scores of this that and what ever and try to maintain a system that seems pointless.
When the old thread was doing the job itself?
Without the need for maintenance.

Just find the whole thing mind boggling to say the least.
Plus its the opinion a few rather than what people want.
Leave the old system in place move ownership and let them repair the thread that worked on a many levels.?
Plus that gives chance to clean up the thread every one is used too. And also means we don,t have another useless stickey that people just ignore. Just another thing to clutter the marketplace?
Would also like to point out that a years worth of reputations are in the original thread.
Chat soon bye for now.

Please read the OP of the old thread to see How the thread was meant to be operated.

Would like to say that this thread has yet to be updated, Thats already been said by some one else in thread.

Well, this thread is already two days old, and has yet to see an update to the main OP.
Already an epic fail, I don't see what was wrong with the old thread?
Maybe a mod could re-open it, and modify the main OP to show the precise way to search for a member through posts, thus giving insight to his reputation in the trading thread?

But then again I may be mistaken because sad to say our rep thread is slowly becoming a chat thread.

I am going to say if you feel that people are just chatting away in thread that should be a reportable thing has its taking away from the subject matter.
And if more people reported it then it would of stopped and not progressed into a chat place.?
From what am lead to belief the moderators do not take kindly to idle chatter in threads when it go,s off topic.?
Chat soon mate bye for now.

 

[latoslapise]

All names have been noted and the thread will be updated tomorrow evening.

About being updated please see above

 

[Outeke]

Why is the other thread still closed? Nobody is doing trades or nobody wanna post their stats in this thread.

Oh and edit the topic message to "Reputation Discussion Thread"

 

[latoslapise]

Why is the other thread still closed? Nobody is doing trades or nobody wanna post their stats in this thread.

Oh and edit the topic message to "Reputation Discussion Thread"

You my friend have a very good idea for the title seems the most fitting right now.

 

[christara321]

I think this is what should of happened before it was thrown at us, After a 6 post discussion (Debate) so all points of veiws could of been taken into consideration?
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6492629&posted=1#post6492629
Post number 8 tells you what I think and if people read every post what is written then I think they will find the answers they are looking for in peoples responses?
Both here and in the indiscreet placing of a thread to which this farcical has arisen.?
Chat soon bye for now.



While am it I will throw this one in there as well.
PAINT TRADING THREAD whats the point.
When you get people making threads for gold chromes or silver chromes or mattes, Or them rare hard to get paints.
If people are making threads for them whats the point of the stickey in the marketplace.

Now once you read that last paragraph apply that to the general trading thread also.
Another useless stickey when people are making there own threads.?
Or am I missing something here.? Sat here with a puzzled look of dismay.
Anyway had enough of this thread now it really is begining to do my head in and why I here you ask.
Simply don,t need and don,t want it. And wish they would reinstate the old one.
Bye folks chat soon

 

[ajns73]

Please read the OP of the old thread to see How the thread was meant to be operated. True the thread was running great all by itself , but I kind of get this hunch that the Mods wanted to restore the thread to what it was expose/meant to be. But then again I may be mistaken because sad to say our rep thread is slowly becoming a chat thread.

I guess this kind of gets to the heart of my point. The old thread was functioning fine (See christara's explanation for how it should work). In my opinion, the only reason to start a new one and use a scoring system and officially sanction the thread is if GTP somehow intends on getting involved in bad trades. They clearly are not, so what exactly is the point.

Honestly though, it isn't so much the idea of starting a new thread. It's the fraudulent attempt to claim a 6 post thread is a discussion of the topic. If the mods have their reasons, fine. Enlighten us. If you want to stand on your title and say, "Fait accompli. It's our site we'll do as we like." Fine. But don't pretend that this is what everyone wants based on a 6 post thread.

 

[calico]

Please read the OP of the old thread to see How the thread was meant to be operated. True the thread was running great all by itself , but I kind of get this hunch that the Mods wanted to restore the thread to what it was expose/meant to be. But then again I may be mistaken because sad to say our rep thread is slowly becoming a chat thread.

If this is the case why didnt the mods do something about it that way they could police the thread properly and remove anything that is not relevant or against AUP. The answer i believe is becuase it is too time consuming for 1 person to do it. It may be fine for a week a month or a year but sooner or later the Op of this thread will move on and not bother updating this thread just like the last. I think all we can do is educate the newer members on here to leave feedback on trade's they have completed and hope that this thread or a new thread will look good and be continually updated by the OP. Good luck with the thread i will watch from afar to see how it all pans out.

 

[latoslapise]

I guess this kind of gets to the heart of my point. The old thread was functioning fine (See christara's explanation for how it should work). In my opinion, the only reason to start a new one and use a scoring system and officially sanction the thread is if GTP somehow intends on getting involved in bad trades. They clearly are not, so what exactly is the point.

Honestly though, it isn't so much the idea of starting a new thread. It's the fraudulent attempt to claim a 6 post thread is a discussion of the topic. If the mods have their reasons, fine. Enlighten us. If you want to stand on your title and say, "Fait accompli. It's our site we'll do as we like." Fine. But don't pretend that this is what everyone wants based on a 6 post thread.

If this is the case why didnt the mods do something about it that way they could police the thread properly and remove anything that is not relevant or against AUP. The answer i believe is becuase it is too time consuming for 1 person to do it. It may be fine for a week a month or a year but sooner or later the Op of this thread will move on and not bother updating this thread just like the last. I think all we can do is educate the newer members on here to leave feedback on trade's they have completed and hope that this thread or a new thread will look good and be continually updated by the OP. Good luck with the thread i will watch from afar to see how it all pans out.

you both have great and valid points, but the thing is the Mods obviously chose this method. So unfortunately we only have this one reputation thread. I suggest you guys should take it up with the Mods

 

[Outeke]

So happy im in the OP with 2 successful trades.
Hope im a trusted trader now.....

Pity the other 600 trades arent listed.....