I might give bumper cam a bit of a try then. I normally drive chase for drift and bumper for racing but I want to try out different methods so I drift the best I can. I also find that if you use a 750 bhp skyline MONSTER on sims, you need to be VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY gentle on the throttle or you just don't stop sliding. Well thats what happens in GT2 anyways. Maybe O should go with a lower horse power car? Sure I've got a bunch on 200-300 hp cars that I drift in but still...