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[Roush_fan_99]

I can't understand how doing this brings any kind of happiness. How is winning enjoyable if it's not the outcome of fierce competition where you had to give it your all?

I would disregard anyone who does this as they're a complete idiot. 👍

It's along the same lines as people RL racing, intentionally cheat by adding more power or grip. I've seen guys put 1300cc rods in 1200cc motors, filed down carburetor openings for more air, soaked tires be confiscated, shoot I've seen traction control devices on race cars, all in the name of winning. They don't care about the challenge or learning, all they want is to win. And the best part is that they do all this for a plastic trophy and hopes that someone will pick them up for a better ride only to realize that most of these people, when put in a legal car, just plain old suck. Not to mention it's no fun for the legal competitors b/c they can't compete and neither for the cheaters because it sucks out a lot of their money and eventually car count dwindles. Point is some people like to win too much.

 

[livemusic]

I disagree, there are quite a few fast drivers under 2500 iRating, and then there are the 🤬 that are quick but keep there iRating low so they are in the lower divisions.

That's pretty unfair to everyone else in those divisions, but it does make the lower ranked drivers a little bit more motivated to beat them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying only drivers with a 2500 iRating or above are faster than average.

And people who lower their iRating on purpose are lame. That's like using a gameshark to beat a game, takes all the fun out of it.

I have 2836 iRating so, I guess I'm average

2800 is higher than 2500, so you're above average I'd say.

Also, something to keep in mind about iRating is that the higher the SOF the more points you'll get.

Last week I won a 2400 SOF race with the Skippy at Lime Rock and got 152 points for it. On Sunday the driver that placed 9th at the Lotus 79 top split race scored 161 points. SOF of 4800 ftw!

http://members.iracing.com/membersite/member/EventResult.do?&subsessionid=7008835&custid=44684


In other news, just had my first practices in Zandvoort yesterday. It's a pretty fun track I'd say, the banked turns remind me of Nordschleife a bit. Also, it's a good combo with the L79, races should be fun.

 

[Kamuifanboy]

It's along the same lines as people RL racing, intentionally cheat by adding more power or grip. I've seen guys put 1300cc rods in 1200cc motors, filed down carburetor openings for more air, soaked tires be confiscated, shoot I've seen traction control devices on race cars, all in the name of winning. They don't care about the challenge or learning, all they want is to win. And the best part is that they do all this for a plastic trophy and hopes that someone will pick them up for a better ride only to realize that most of these people, when put in a legal car, just plain old suck. Not to mention it's no fun for the legal competitors b/c they can't compete and neither for the cheaters because it sucks out a lot of their money and eventually car count dwindles. Point is some people like to win too much.

Story of my life in karting. I was one of the people that never realized how much people cheated until I left the sport and moved up. I was always a top 5 finisher with a 100% legal package. Found out that most of the top 10 in the 3 different karting championships I was involved in were cheating a lot and were apparently gaining something like 1 second per lap on the non cheaters. Pisses me off finding out after I worked my ass of to get in the position I'm in right now. But, at the end of the day, I can say to myself that, "Man, I must be pretty good to have only been a tenth or two off from the top every race despite them getting 1 second of help from illegal factors."

2800 is higher than 2500, so you're above average I'd say.

I will say this though. I am certainly not fast. I just am bloody consistent. Really reminiscent of my real life racing ability. I'm never really known for putting out all out laps every single lap. I'm that guy who can run 98% for 100 laps rather than 100% for 10 laps before making any sort of mistake. Just my driving style. So, naturally when you take that into sim racing. You don't have to be fast to finish in the top half of the field every race lol.

Extremely off topic to iRacing but, I'm sure most of you think that European Formula car racing is the top flight. Maybe not. Turns out, a few of the GP3 drivers this year (Notable being Conor Daly) ran a Formula Car series in India, where a Japanese kid that ran the same series as me, did better than them for the majority of the weekend. This Japanese kid consistently finished outside of the Top 10 in the series I raced in this season. Our driving advisers told us that if we were to go to Europe, we would be finishing in the Top 5 easily. Considering I was consistently in the top 10 this whole season, I'm really hoping to move up and to Europe because it sounds like it may not be "incredibly difficult competition" like everyone makes it out to be.

 

[livemusic]

Yeah, consistency counts for a lot as well. And good luck with your plans on going to Europe, I hope you can make it! 👍

 

[Adam41]

I've had a few hours to try out my T500 with the Cadillac at Laguna Seca, and I'm in love!

Have the world records with the Cadillac been done with a tweaked setup, or using the baseline like in the Cadillac Cup? I've been wondering about this for all car and track combos.

 

[boombla]

The Cadillac has never been used officially outside the fixed rookie series, except at Watkins in that Inside Simracing race, so all laptimes are with the fixed setup.

 

[Adam41]

So the Corvette for example, would show times with fixed and open setups. Gotcha thanks.

 

[Kamuifanboy]

Yeah, consistency counts for a lot as well. And good luck with your plans on going to Europe, I hope you can make it! 👍

I think consistency is the biggest thing in iRacing. I rarely have to pass people to move up a position. Just show your nose, with no intention of passing, for a lap or two. And the driver ahead will generally crash or let you by.

Thanks! Hopefully I can get somewhere in racing. I am not really good at anything else so, if I don't get some sort of Job in the racing world. I'm done for! Haha

 

[SpecMiata-JSW]

Like they say, "to finish first, first you must finish".

Consistency will always win more races than just speed. Having a combination of both is the hard part to master.

 

[Mac K]

Like they say, "to finish first, first you must finish".

Consistency will always win more races than just speed. Having a combination of both is the hard part to master.

Nicely put sir 👍

 

[SpecMiata-JSW]

Haha, thanks. Bob Varsha gets credit for the quote. I love that whole F1 commentating crew, those guys were awesome!

 

[Jav]

Haha, thanks. Bob Varsha gets credit for the quote. I love that whole F1 commentating crew, those guys were awesome!

They definitely were! Shame Bob stayed behind with Speed...

 

[MadRR]

Also, something to keep in mind about iRating is that the higher the SOF the more points you'll get.

Last week I won a 2400 SOF race with the Skippy at Lime Rock and got 152 points for it. On Sunday the driver that placed 9th at the Lotus 79 top split race scored 161 points. SOF of 4800 ftw!

http://members.iracing.com/membersite/member/EventResult.do?&subsessionid=7008835&custid=44684

The championship points change depending on the SOF, not irating. The 161 points that guy scored was championship points not irating. That's on the right side beside your irating is your gain or loss. Like that guy gained +22 irating.

 

[Kevin01SH]

Apparently this was my fault according to the other driver, i didnt "hold my line"



Not even an oops or my bad, no apology. I got in his way.

 

[Kamuifanboy]

Apparently this was my fault according to the other driver, i didnt "hold my line"



Not even an oops or my bad, no apology. I got in his way.

Racing incident IMO. He shouldn't have gone into the pit out lane to pass but, you gave him little to no room. Both of you did a "no no" lol.

 

[fatkrakr]

I think the guy was in the wrong. He was trying to force his way into the faster line for the corner. He should of taken the outside not forced his way inside.

 

[Wilbur]

I think the guy was in the wrong. He was trying to force his way into the faster line for the corner. He should of taken the outside not forced his way inside.

That's kind of my thinking! People try to bully their way into spots sometimes assuming people will move over which depending on the race or laps left, etc I will or won't but I hate being blamed for crap like that when clearly you know the corner I'm protecting my inside.

This brings up an issue some seem to fight. Is it wrong to move down (not suddenly) to protect a line? I had similar thing happen but guy used apron as corner entry which wrecked me and field out almost but he blamed me for running him down there. It would be different if he was inside of me off the corner or right on my tail but I had half a car between us and he saw me headed toward corner.

 

[Jav]

Racing incident IMO. He shouldn't have gone into the pit out lane to pass but, you gave him little to no room. Both of you did a "no no" lol.

I have to differ, he went for a gap that never existed in the first place! It's all on him! Kevin had all the right in the world to stick to the inside and protect his line and spot.

 

[noshog]

I'm with Kamui on this one. I think sometimes we have to realise that we just have to give room to moves we all know shouldn't be made.
Really it all comes back to what was mentioned half a page up.........

Like they say, "to finish first, first you must finish".

 

[Roush_fan_99]

The guy acted before I could see what line you were going to take off the slight turn but either way there was no way I could say you were blocking and he was responsible to make a clean pass, not to mention the apron is never the place for that, and it appears he intentionally wrecked you because he just completely changed lanes when you were clearly there, that was no "oops I bumped you in the side and turned back to the left." If I was that guy I would have gone for the pass on the outside, backed off mid corner and crossed under and completed the pass on exit, but that's just me.

I laser engraved (raster w/ a vector outline) some mirror tiles (12"x12") with the iracing logo using Rhino 4.0. I think I'm going to paint the bad one and frame and light the good one (they are partially transparent if you can't see it in the picture) . The bad one started flaking, and so I tried sanding and realized that didn't work so we put some aviation polyfiber stuff on it (it's like acetone) and it to most of the flake off.

The shelby one, I did awhile ago just in vector mode with contact paper on the back and then sandblasted it.

 

[Kamuifanboy]

I have to differ, he went for a gap that never existed in the first place! It's all on him! Kevin had all the right in the world to stick to the inside and protect his line and spot.

I think that Kevin didn't do anything wrong initially. Protecting the inside line is in no way wrong. Where things turn sour was when Kevin gave just enough room to stick a nose in there after the first sort of kink down the hill. That guy took it as an opening and decided to make his move then. Then when the came to the second kink that gap that Kevin ever so slightly gave closed up on the guy. The other guy made the mistake of not noticing this happening and backing off. Instead the guy went into the pit out lane and maybe lost grip or something and went into the side of Kevin. Where Kevin made his biggest mistake is a lack of awareness. He should have noticed that the driver had decided to go to the inside and not made the turn to the inside line for the second kink. Both drivers did something incorrect. It's hard racing and it happens all the time on iRacing and in real life. These situations are almost always deemed racing incidents.

 

[Kevin01SH]

Well i had been following him for several laps and finally caught a mistake he made on the left hander before the straight. I tried using his line down the straight because he would stick to the left almost the whole way as i knew he was gonna try to get his spot back. I saw him go into the pit lane but figured, no way hes gonna try to pass down there? Yeah i could have swung out more but IMO i shouldnt have had to because he had no business down there and i didnt force him into the pit lane. He was trying too aggressive of a pass and it was only lap 10 for us.

 

[Kamuifanboy]

Well i had been following him for several laps and finally caught a mistake he made on the left hander before the straight. I tried using his line down the straight because he would stick to the left almost the whole way as i knew he was gonna try to get his spot back. I saw him go into the pit lane but figured, no way hes gonna try to pass down there? Yeah i could have swung out more but IMO i shouldnt have had to because he had no business down there and i didnt force him into the pit lane. He was trying too aggressive of a pass and it was only lap 10 for us.

From the angle of the video that you gave us. Going into the second kink down the straight. He looks to have his nose up to the front of your rear tire. He is in there enough that it would be seen as a "you moved him below the line" Based on the angle of video you gave us. It's still a racing incident. You moved him into the pit lane. He didn't back off. Both are at fault.

 

[livemusic]

The championship points change depending on the SOF, not irating. The 161 points that guy scored was championship points not irating. That's on the right side beside your irating is your gain or loss. Like that guy gained +22 irating.

Sorry, I was talking about championship points. Should've specified it better.

 

[Mac K]

Are his initials PB? I recognise the car.. He kept taking shots at me after I passed him in the Mustang Challenge.. All on him, not only did he drive onto the pit lane to pass, he also drove through a few pylons while he was at it.. No way race stewards would allow that in a real race.

 

[SKIDMARX]

Apparently this was my fault according to the other driver, i didnt "hold my line"

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Not even an oops or my bad, no apology. I got in his way.

Racing incident IMO. He shouldn't have gone into the pit out lane to pass but, you gave him little to no room. Both of you did a "no no" lol.

I think the guy was in the wrong. He was trying to force his way into the faster line for the corner. He should of taken the outside not forced his way inside.

I have to differ, he went for a gap that never existed in the first place! It's all on him! Kevin had all the right in the world to stick to the inside and protect his line and spot.

This is my view on the incident. Firstly I will say I think it's 'TheOtherGuys' fault completely. My reasons for this are:
-He went for an overtake in a corner that more often than not never works, some will say it's worth the risk to try it out, but why do it when there is a heavy braking zone afterwards is beyond me....
-He cut in the pit lane which in real life will be penalised heavily for safety reasons.
-Kevin didn't need to give 'TheOtherGuy' room because he wasn't along side him in any way.

My overall view on it would be that Kevin didn't get any of the blame due to the fact that 'TheOtherGuy' only got along side of him because he cut the pit lane. This corner is also very risky to overtake on, and why risk it there when there is a perfectly good braking zone just after it? Kevin didn't really make any blocking moves, he just held his line into the corner which he has every right to do.
Breaching the pit lane (pit exit lane) would be penalised heavily in real world racing, as would the fact that he caused an avoidable incident.
So to say he didn't even take part of the blame is just ridiculous...

This is where I think iRacing should include an 'Avoidable Incident' penalty, be it a drive through or stop and go .... Not to mention an SR and iR penalty. Although I guess if iRacing did make this then almost nobody would be able to get out of Rookie

But this is just my view.....

 

[Kevin01SH]

Are his initials PB? I recognise the car.. He kept taking shots at me after I passed him in the Mustang Challenge.. All on him, not only did he drive onto the pit lane to pass, he also drove through a few pylons while he was at it.. No way race stewards would allow that in a real race.

Yes his initials are PB, and really if he had made an apology after he hit me id be like ok he was just being careless. But literally right after he hit me he said "ahhhh, hold your line man". Then when i blamed him for it, he laughed and said no way. I got him back later though and we're both protesting eachother, so oh well.

 

[Mac K]

Yes his initials are PB, and really if he had made an apology after he hit me id be like ok he was just being careless. But literally right after he hit me he said "ahhhh, hold your line man". Then when i blamed him for it, he laughed and said no way. I got him back later though and we're both protesting eachother, so oh well.

He's like that, does silly moves like that and tries to pass it off as a mistake.. I've gone wheel to wheel with him before, I gave him a slight tap accidentally on the straight, no damage whatsoever, he then proceeds to hit me several times under braking and damage my suspension.. Pretty annoying when I had a potential win lined up, he does that then just says it was a mistake (after doing the same thing several times) then goes onto say I was blocking him as well..

 

[Imari]

Yes his initials are PB, and really if he had made an apology after he hit me id be like ok he was just being careless. But literally right after he hit me he said "ahhhh, hold your line man". Then when i blamed him for it, he laughed and said no way. I got him back later though and we're both protesting eachother, so oh well.

You got him back? What? My opinion changes from sympathy to "I hope I'm not on the track near either one of you".

 

[Kevin01SH]

He's like that, does silly moves like that and tries to pass it off as a mistake.. I've gone wheel to wheel with him before, I gave him a slight tap accidentally on the straight, no damage whatsoever, he then proceeds to hit me several times under braking and damage my suspension.. Pretty annoying when I had a potential win lined up, he does that then just says it was a mistake (after doing the same thing several times) then goes onto say I was blocking him as well..

...and he tries to justify his actions lol