Is anyone else disappointed with GT5?
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Why do you suggest I'm riled? I'm pretty relaxed with the debate here.
I think there is plenty of overspill to other threads - its definitely not kept in here
Like I said, its an open forum, the thread is open for debate. If you only want negative comments, you are likely to be disappointed again.
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And that is cool for you. But no reason to belittle those of us who have a different opinion of the game. We get it, you don't like the fact that we have disappointments. Just because you are not disappointed doesn't take away from the fact that we are.
If someone reads something that they don't like about GT5, and that is the deciding factor to not buy the game, more power to them. Who am I or you to criticize.
We are all open to our opinions and decisions.
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- Duisburg
There is. Telling people what their opinion should be (as in, about what they shouldn't be disappointed), on the other hand...
Especially in a thread that's specifically set up for people to share their disappointment, there seems to be little logic behind that.
Aside from defending GT at all costs, that is.
Oh, I do see quite a few reasons to bee happy about GT5. Just as many to be unhappy with it as well, though.
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To begin with - I don't know if you still count me as youth (at 29 years of age) but I can say that I am not interested in spending 1000 hours plus to complete a game. I play games to have fun in the first place, and get some a sense of accomplishment as a bonus.
You will probably call me a trophy whore but I like going for platinums. If I can achieve them in a reasonable amount of time that is. I do realize that platinums don't really mean anything, that they are just pixels on my screen, but it gives me an indicator that I was able to beat the game, beat all challenges set by developers and prove that I am no worse than others. And who knows, if someone visits my profile, they can look and think - "cool, that guy did it".
I was planning on doing the same in GT5. I even golded all 60 licenses, which I think is an achievement in itself, I golded all special events that I have access to (apart from AMG, Tuscan night race and rally expert, which I think are far too difficult) and of course have gold on first 4 tiers of races (beginner - expert). Plus my retarded b-spec driver is at level 14. But that doesn't really count. Unfortunately.
However, after having done all that I have only been able to reach level 21. Even getting to level 22 is already becoming a chore, I'm not even willing to think about grinding my way to level 40. I have life. I have other things to do and I want to have fun in my spare time and not play for 4 years just to complete the game.
Seems like Kazunori has forgotten the core gaming values - fun, REWARDING and enjoyable. He seems to have stuck in his basement, with his 10 year old stale ideas not willing to give room for some fresh ones. I know many of the "hardcore" GT players will say "that's what GT series are all about". Well, I will disagree, because times change, tastes change and world moves on. Only Kazunori keeps "refining" his formula...
If he keeps directing this game then he will be the one who will kill them. Looks like he is on the right path...
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I see plenty to be happy about too. That isn't enough to stop me from being disappointed though, as the game is not as good as GT4 in quite a few ways. That is PD's own yardstick they fell short of.
There is plenty to be disappointed about, I guess that is why this thread is so large.
You can be sure as people get to the inevitable grind they will join the thread too, in fact you might be one of them.
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If you feel belittled then I apologise that you've been offended - I will tread more carefully with those of an obviously sensitive disposition.
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With all the repetitive grinding required to advance and acquire cars, they've created "World of GTcraft" with no monthly subscription fee... which, one without the other, is a bizarre design decision in my opinion.
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I did not state at any point what anyone's opinion should be.
I didn't state what they should or shouldn't be disappointed about.
At my worst, I called someone's decision insane, and described someone's judgement as eccentric.
Defending GT5 at all costs? What costs? I think you are over egging the pudding. In other threads I have had constructive criticisms.
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Respectfully, sir, I disagree.
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Are you suggesting that someone that disagrees with the OP does not have a legitimate right to post here?
My post that you quote was completely valid post. The poster in question had listed out, in the middle of the thread, another 'canned' set of complaints as if we had never heard them before. They were cliched, hackneyed, and had an air of cut and paste about them.
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Yes, precisely! It's the bad design decisions that are the most disturbing.
Complaining about things like "blocky shadows" in replays is a bit besides the point for me - the game, even at its worst looks as good as any other game out there, & at its best it is head & shoulders above other games. The problem lies with the basic design of GT - a grinding offline gameplay that features pointless & repetitive A Spec races, with sub-standard AI that is worse than almost any other game out there. And what is disheartening is the number of GT fanboys who line-up to defend it, because "it's all part of the Gran Turismo tradition". It's a tradition that's looking increasingly out-of-date & threadbare with each passing year.
I think IGN summed it up perfectly when they wrote: GT5 is a 10/10 simulator wrapped up in a 5/10 game.
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I think the game is my favorite but still i am also very disappointed whit it at the same time.
like you all know, te driving is all good and addictive etc...
Reviews say the menu's are bad, i actual think they are nice and fun to use. but i have some problems. also i like the way how the original tracks look. Trial Mountain is still very nice.
I am playing GT5 now for a month, only GT-life. and this are my biggest problems.
1* I have almost completed the expert series and i did't see any damage, rollovers, Night, Rain....?
2* Like in some video showed before release, AI does not avoid you. the only thing they do is when they got off track, they wait a little.
3* when there is smoke the cars look very bad.
4* I have no problem whit Forza's(standard cars) But why the hell don't they have a cockpit or a decent HOOD view.
5* I am very very disappointed whit the amount of tracks. i really miss Opera Paris, Amalfi, Hong Kong, Seoel, Seattle, Montegi, El Capitan...
6* I have almost completed the expert series and did't see certain tracks or variations. like SSR7, Reverse courses, Indiana road course, Nurburgring, Eiger norwand dirt tracks, Chamonix, Toscana. variations. also London, Eiger, Top gear, Clubman, daytona road course
7* The presentation of the special events are well done. some events are very nice like karting. but why did they not use Karting/Rally/Nascar for A-spec? whit more events & championships
Only short races and a few license test-like events is really poor
8* Why are there over 1000 cars if we don't even have enough A-spec events to give us the possibility to use every type of car?
9* I personally don't like License tests. so why are they so challenging while other races can be so easy?
10* Why are all A-Spec races(no endurance) so short only 2,3 or 5 laps. No race strategy , no race rules/flags, no race atmosphere att all. all events are like a checklist of things you done. not really career-rewarding.
11* Why is A/B spec short. what did they do since prologue's release, i wonder?
like you all know, te driving is all good and addictive etc...
Reviews say the menu's are bad, i actual think they are nice and fun to use. but i have some problems. also i like the way how the original tracks look. Trial Mountain is still very nice.
I am playing GT5 now for a month, only GT-life. and this are my biggest problems.
1* I have almost completed the expert series and i did't see any damage, rollovers, Night, Rain....?
2* Like in some video showed before release, AI does not avoid you. the only thing they do is when they got off track, they wait a little.
3* when there is smoke the cars look very bad.
4* I have no problem whit Forza's(standard cars) But why the hell don't they have a cockpit or a decent HOOD view.
5* I am very very disappointed whit the amount of tracks. i really miss Opera Paris, Amalfi, Hong Kong, Seoel, Seattle, Montegi, El Capitan...
6* I have almost completed the expert series and did't see certain tracks or variations. like SSR7, Reverse courses, Indiana road course, Nurburgring, Eiger norwand dirt tracks, Chamonix, Toscana. variations. also London, Eiger, Top gear, Clubman, daytona road course
7* The presentation of the special events are well done. some events are very nice like karting. but why did they not use Karting/Rally/Nascar for A-spec? whit more events & championships
Only short races and a few license test-like events is really poor
8* Why are there over 1000 cars if we don't even have enough A-spec events to give us the possibility to use every type of car?
9* I personally don't like License tests. so why are they so challenging while other races can be so easy?
10* Why are all A-Spec races(no endurance) so short only 2,3 or 5 laps. No race strategy , no race rules/flags, no race atmosphere att all. all events are like a checklist of things you done. not really career-rewarding.
11* Why is A/B spec short. what did they do since prologue's release, i wonder?
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Some cars (strangely all standard cars purchased solely for this purpose that I tried, and to think that they all were tall Kei/minivan cars) are strangely unbelieavably hard to roll over. As I wrote elsewhere, I think that the CoG (center of gravity) of some standard cars is deliberately wrong (as in unrealistically too low, perhaps even lower than the car's bottom), as in past games they weren't allowed to roll over (with much effort it is indeed possible to roll them over in GT5, but there has to be some kind of obstacle preventing them to go back in their normal position... you have to watch a video or try that yourself to understand).
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What I'm suggesting is the following: Dismissing someone's reasons to be disappointed about the game because you don't agree with them seem like an utterly unreasonably thing to do; especially in a thread that was created for that purpose specifically.
Even if you heard them two dozen times per hour, that doesn't make them any less valid.
And, well, pretty much proves the point above. Since you can't actually argue the points that were brought up, you dismiss that user's reasons as a 'canned set of complaints'.
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Why is it unreasonable to disagree and then dismiss a reason for disappointment? That is one of the charms of a free society. The thread of the title reads "Is anyone else disappointed with GT5?" - my answer "no". A perfectly valid place to post any opinion positive or negative. My right to dismiss your opinion as unreasonable - your right to dismiss my opinion as unreasonable.
Do you want me to respond to each point in that post? Haven't we already been through it all before? That's why I called it cliched.
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I am a clean driver or i try to be clean driver. from time to time i make a mistake in a race. sometimes minor, sometimes a deadly crash. But i never did a flip or get any damage. i know damage and rollovers are there. but why its not properly created in the game? it's not i want do do any stunts. i know i problaly can flip my car on trial mountain. but thats not my point. my point = i can crash in the wall at daytona whit a lot speed.and have no rollovers or damage at all. so why? i exspected someting realistic or close to it.
yeah there is is rain. but why only in 1 or 2 races at A-spec. i know you can have rain at some tests, arcade, practise. but why is it almost absent from the main game mode A-spec?
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You don't see much rain/night/snow because those are reserved for specific tracks, and they are trying to rotate as many tracks as they can in your career to keep it from getting stale.
I don't see how a person's complaint is "cliche" just because people before him have said it before. If anything, it gives strength to the criticisms being valid as it is apparent to many that play the game.
Someone's criticism of a restaurant's streak dinner isn't "cliche" because he's the 99th person to make that criticism. It simply means the steak isn't good.
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Right, your answer is no, his is yes. You then proceed to take a look at his reasons, and, while you can't actually argue them, dismis them because someone brought them up before him. Which has nothing to do with what your opinion about the question in the thread title is.
If someone created a thread asking what your favourite colour was, would you state that your's is blue and then dismiss someone's answer (let's say, he named red as his favourite colour) because a hundred people named red as their favourite colour before him?
I'm fine with dismissing someone's opinion. Doing it for some kind of place-holder reason so you don't have to actually argue the points said user raised (because they can't be argued) seem fairly, well, unreasonable to me.
Maybe I'm just used to different kinds of discussion than you, dunno.
The question is, what would you respond to those point? The game not having enough events, forcing you to re-run them, for example. There's no arguing that point. You can't, for example, progress through B-Spec without re-running events, period.
Instead, you dismiss his opinion because those points were brought up before. Yeah, right.
