Is anyone else disappointed with GT5?

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My main problem is the AI. The same as ever, but now when you collide it crashes you 10 times easier. Much harder to take a slower car and have a good race against them, as you'll likely be crashed out the first 12x you try and run it.
 
If you guys would permit me a mini review... having had the game around 2 weeks now and played it to death I've come up with a few bad points and good...
Firstly I think we will all agree the driving physics are brilliant, no other words for it. You get great feedback as to what the cars doing, Be it with a wheel or a ds3.

Graphics, Premium cars are unrivalled by anything outside of real life and despite all the bad press surrounding Standard car models they look just as good on the replays as anything you would get from other unmentioned racing francises. Sure the odd ones close up can look a little ropey but is that because they really are that bad, or because we've been spoiled by the automotive porn that is the Premium models?

I too was perplexed with the Top Gear track and the Ring missing from the get go, but unlocking them wasnt to tricky and didnt take to long. So the main complain from people seems to be unlocking things, if thats your attitude that you want 100% of the content from day one then maybe modern video games arnt for you let alone GT5.

Car selection, This is were I feel GT5 is the biggest let down, While there are some truely brilliant cars, Lambos, Ferraris. The lack of 2010 or even 2009 models for most cars is almost unforgiveable. It does show that the game is years behind when it was supposed to be out. Now sure theres nothing stopping DLC or patches to quickly and easily fix this, but until then its always going to be a smear on what is otherwise a very shiney package.

B-spec, Good for a quick cash injection, just put your guy in a powerful well set up car and go for lunch... It needs more input and your commands need to seem like they're making a difference otherwise its just watching a replay of someone elses race. I'm not sure if B-Spec becomes more involving later on, but I personally cant see it being.

So I would really say its a 8.9/9 out of 10... Its an amazing feature rich game, with visual to make your eyes cry liquid gold. but the odd few little features B-Spec and the ease at which to destroy the AI by simply splashing a few grand on your car, leave this game lacking the perfect overall score. Which I think makes GT5 a more specialized title for a more mature racing audience rather than 'a full on, get the mates round fun all round game,' like say Need for Speed HP, But then one is a serious knuckle down racing sim and the other is a Hollywood style arcade racer.

I view GT5 as a really pretty girl with her two front teeth missing, You still would, but you would always have the nagging feeling that its just shy of perfect.

***SORRY FOR THE LONG POST***
 
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yeah I'm also dissapointed.
It would have been ok if it was released like 2 or 3 years ago, but they worked 5 years and thats all they could accomplish?

Only ~200 cars out of 1000 are Premium... thats neither fish nor fowl; do it right and make ALL premium or leave it. Out of 20 MX-5's 1 is Premium. Out of 30 Skylines (32, 33, 34), 3 are Premium.. seriously PD? Absolutely ridicolous since all those Skylines look identical from the inside and only have slightly different aero parts (V-Spec models) or different colors (LM Limited), they could just copy the interior.

Speaking of the interior, thats the next problem. The speedo's and gauges look terrible, like from Need For Speed 2; so pixelated and blurred, you can't see ****. Take a look at a Civic Type-R or Lotus Elise 111R interior to know what I'm talking about; not really 'Premium' for me. The only 'good quality' gauges I've seen was the GT-R and the RX-7 Amemyia.

Then theres the car sounds that sound NOTHING like the real ones; in fact most of them don't even sound like a car, but rather like a vacuum cleaner.
I'm not a fan of those kind of vids but this is the sad truth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSJQ2YaA3fA#t=1m20s

The prize cars unlike GT2 for example, are worthless in GT5 as they're all weakier than the cars needed to finish the event.
The game has serious balancing issues since there's no horsepower restriction. You can take a Lv.20 car to win a Lv.5 event.

And last but not least the B-Spec...
The driver is plain terrible; driving up close and crashing into others rears when I tell him to overtake and who wants to see some random AI driving anyway instead of driving yourself?
I think I speak for everyone else when I say that it would have been more fun to have double the amount of A-spec instead of B-spec.

I've been an early Gran Turismo fan when it came out. I played 1 and 2 and since I never had a PS2 I skipped 3 and 4.
I thought GT5 would have been the perfect opportunity to take it up with the GT series again; but this was one huge dissapointment.
 
Then theres the car sounds that sound NOTHING like the real ones; in fact most of them don't even sound like a car, but rather like a vacuum cleaner.
I'm not a fan of those kind of vids but this is the sad truth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSJQ2YaA3fA#t=1m20s

It starts around 55 seconds, this is the way a C6-R sounds in this game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NryCsjNxkEU

This is how it sounds in real life

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S53ytpplw-w

http://www.youtube.com/user/olivergavin2#p/a/f/0/cJy3lrXuMeU
 
I don't agree that the wheel provides excellent feedback. It's just a centre spring effect. No loss of grip is translated through the wheel at all. Some canned effects whilst on gravel do enough I suppose. Force feedback is arcade outrun style.
 
It starts around 55 seconds, this is the way a C6-R sounds in this game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NryCsjNxkEU

This is how it sounds in real life

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S53ytpplw-w

http://www.youtube.com/user/olivergavin2#p/a/f/0/cJy3lrXuMeU
The audio is outside the car not inside the car.
If you were inside the C6 it would sound like it does in the first vid but, if you were just listening to the car from a few metres back it would sound really bass-ey like it does in the two videos you showed.

So actually the sound is accurate my friend.
Oh btw if you change the view of the car with select it would sound like u want it to sound.
 
The audio is outside the car not inside the car.
If you were inside the C6 it would sound like it does in the first vid but, if you were just listening to the car from a few metres back it would sound really bass-ey like it does in the two videos you showed.

So actually the sound is accurate my friend.
Oh btw if you change the view of the car with select it would sound like u want it to sound.

There are different views and none of them sound like they would in real life. I have been around, driven and owned car with large cammed V8's and none of them have ever sounded like a blender..

I even posted a video from inside a real C6R and it sounds nothing like the BS game version

The Ford GT in the game sounds exactly like a big V8 should.
 
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It just feels PD decided to release GT5years even though the game was no where near finished. Because of so many delays, upset GT fans, etc. they decided to release the game with what was already in it. That is why when you play the game, it feels like it was rushed.

Lack of events. GT3 and GT4 had many events to play on, and on to GT5, there are only a handful. Over 1,000 cars, yet so few events to play on. FM3 has a very long list of events to play on with many different cars, along with a season mode.

The awful leveling system that restricts you from playing certain events, you have to keep racing to grind exp, with a very small choice of events, along with what car you have that just might be eligible.Why can't I preview what color I want to paint my car? Better hope that color looks good on your car, because it's gone once you use it. Can't paint your car to the original color if you decide to.

No photomode for standard cars. Photomode is available in FM3 at all times.
The game should confirm if you want to restart the race. Can only win a prize car only once from a championship. Ridiculously priced cars@ 20 mill credits, this makes GT5 feel like an MMORPG There are so many issues in GT5, and this is just a few to list. I'm just playing the game much less because either I need to grind and grind to level up, or there aren't enough events to play on.
 
No photomode for standard cars. Photomode is available in FM3 at all times.
The game should confirm if you want to restart the race. Can only win a prize car only once from a championship. Ridiculously priced cars@ 20 mill credits, this makes GT5 feel like an MMORPG There are so many issues in GT5, and this is just a few to list. I'm just playing the game much less because either I need to grind and grind to level up, or there aren't enough events to play on.

Err Photomode can be done with any car just like forza 3... view the replay and pause it... I'm not aware that Forza has a photo travel mode... but its funny how Forza has two classes of cars and no one moans a dot. One bunch playable and one bunch not playable at all... of course I'm talking about the photo cars with higher polygon rates and those standard looking cars that they call game graphics...
While GT5 isnt a perfect game (I mean what game is) people are being extremely harsh on it!
 
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While GT5 isnt a perfect game (I mean what game is) people are being extremely harsh on it!

No - people are not. The last "Full Game" GT - GT4 was better in nearly every aspect.
GT5 lacks in soooo many areas that it really is a impudence they are selling such a half finished game.
Even in the game itself you can see that "The left hand does not know what the right hand does" at PD and that the XP - Level System was rushed in. When completing a License it tells you that you now can participate at new race events (as in previous GTs) - but that is not true as they only depend on the level you are...
How small the game is can also be seen at the level system - if it weren't there a lot of people would already have finished the game.

And to all the little fanboys out there: NO "grinding" and doing the "American championship" race at Indy for around 1000 times does not bake you a better and more experienced driver.
 
Hi all.

I haven't gotten the game either though I've really wanted to. Tried it out yesterday (finally) at a friend's place with a DFGT wheel and it was awesome! I was so convinced I was going to buy the game+wheel even though my budget's pretty tight.

Then I read a couple posts on these forums and I'm having doubts again. Not trying to bash the forum or anything anyone's saying, it's just very difficult to make a decision where I would have to spend $180++ (game & wheel) on something I might not like in the end. I've rented it via a 10-day gamefly free trial, though, to make a more informed decision.

From what I've read - the grind after lvl 23 or something is terrible? Anybody know if they plan on fixing that?

This is even more insane. Your actual real life experience was a positive one, and you are still put of by the nit picking whinging on here?

If you bought the wheel you could use it for PC games. SO basically you stand to lose max of about $60? You may even get a refund on a return depending on which store you buy from. "No brainer".
 
No - people are not. The last "Full Game" GT - GT4 was better in nearly every aspect.
GT5 lacks in soooo many areas that it really is a impudence they are selling such a half finished game.
Even in the game itself you can see that "The left hand does not know what the right hand does" at PD and that the XP - Level System was rushed in. When completing a License it tells you that you now can participate at new race events (as in previous GTs) - but that is not true as they only depend on the level you are...
How small the game is can also be seen at the level system - if it weren't there a lot of people would already have finished the game.

And to all the little fanboys out there: NO "grinding" and doing the "American championship" race at Indy for around 1000 times does not bake you a better and more experienced driver.


I think you need to go back and spend an hour with GT4. Your memory is kinder than time on the game.
 
This is even more insane. Your actual real life experience was a positive one, and you are still put of by the nit picking whinging on here?

If you bought the wheel you could use it for PC games. SO basically you stand to lose max of about $60? You may even get a refund on a return depending on which store you buy from. "No brainer".

Maybe YOU are the "No brainer" - the disappointment with GT5 maybe doesn't start from the beginning on. No it comes as one progresses through the game. When you realise that you must do "special events" in order to gain XP and that the game lacks of events...


In previous GTs it was true that it was fun to do some events over and over again with different cars. In GT5 it is not because there are not much interesting events. And even fewer when you need them for "grinding" - for this purpose you can only use the "extreme events" .....
 
Err Photomode can be done with any car just like forza 3... view the replay and pause it... I'm not aware that Forza has a photo travel mode... but its funny how Forza has two classes of cars and no one moans a dot. One bunch playable and one bunch not playable at all... of course I'm talking about the photo cars with higher polygon rates and those standard looking cars that they call game graphics...
While GT5 isnt a perfect game (I mean what game is) people are being extremely harsh on it!

Why wouldnt they be "harsh" the wait has being "stupid" like the AI
What are you talking about? 2 classes of cars? how about rewind and fast forward. also what purpose do all the hatch and lightweight cars serve now without a PI system anyways
http://www.virtualr.net/forza-motorsport-4-announced/
 
the disappointment with GT5 maybe doesn't start from the beginning on. No it comes as one progresses through the game. When you realise that you must do "special events" in order to gain XP and that the game lacks of events...

Such a hardship....

NO interesting events? You are kidding? La Festa Cavallino on the Pro championship is worth the money for the game alone. Can't ever remember having this much fun in any race on GT4.

Check out this thread:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=142678
 
This is even more insane. Your actual real life experience was a positive one, and you are still put of by the nit picking whinging on here?

If you bought the wheel you could use it for PC games. SO basically you stand to lose max of about $60? You may even get a refund on a return depending on which store you buy from. "No brainer".

First you assume has has or wants to play PC racing games with a wheel and even then it doens't make the wheel free... this is despite the fact he says he wants a wheel for GT5 specifically so lets go ahead and skip the dismissive logice.

Then let's remember that $60 is not really a small chunk of change especially if money is a bit tight which it is for many.

And then let's look at the fact that he is making a smart move by thinking ahead... the GT series has long been a game of longevity and experience and there is no way to know how this works from some playtime at someones house.

To say he is being insane is like saying it's wrong to say:

I tried out a vacum cleaner at the store and it worked great, but then I read a bunch of people who say it works very poorly after only a few months so I decided to pass it up.

I find it amazing what denialist will write off yet have no problems suggesting "just go spend $60 to find out for yourself". As if that is some rational thought path... if you apply that logic to games, why do we even have review sites? Just go buy and try everything yourself.

And I don't know where you are, but no stores around me allow returning of opened new games... I mean it's not like you don't have resources to make an educated decision with before buying... like you know, reviews and the internet full of users..
 
I find it amazing what denialist will write off yet have no problems suggesting "just go spend $60 to find out for yourself". As if that is some rational thought path... if you apply that logic to games, why do we even have review sites? Just go buy and try everything yourself.

What exactly am I denying? I'm having fun with the game, lots of other are.

You could always rent it. This isn't a house purchase or anything.

The magazine/site reviews? They are mostly positive.

If you choose to fixate on a handful of threads that are negative, whilst the majority of the reviews are positive, most other people are generally positive about it, you are missing out on the fun. Buy, hey, its your funeral.
 
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What exactly am I denying? I'm having fun with the game, lots of other are.

You could always rent it. This isn't a house purchase or anything.

The magazine/site reviews? They are mostly positive.

If you choose to fixate on a handful of threads that are negative, whilst the majority of the reviews are positive, most other people are generally positive about it, you are missing out on the fun. Buy, hey, its your funeral.

You are denying the hands on results from dozens of GT fans/owners saying the same thing... the game is unpolished unfinished and missinng key eliments as well as painfully artificially limited.

These are all legitimate concerns and legitimate deal breakers for some, especially those of us coming from previous GTs where those weren't problems and things were done uniformly to a high standard.

By saying his decision to rethink a purchase after having an intial good impression but then finding out more details that he couldn't in just a day of play insane, you are denying that these problems are legitimate concerns worthy of careful consideration.
 
Okay, there's something that's really starting to bother me with GT5 above all else.

I'm actually spending very, very little amounts of time with cars I like on tracks I like. For the most part, if you want to actually progress through the game, you'll have to spend loads of time with B-Spec to get further, at least if you're aiming on somewhat 'completing' the game somewhere in the future. While that's okay for the most part, since you can do other stuff while B-Specing, it starts to annoy me. In retrospect, most of the time that GT5 has been running over the course of the weekend, it was in B-Spec mode.
Feels like I have to decide whether I want to get anywhere in the game (as in, make some money to get the cars I like and get to the level needed to buy them) and actually playing the game the way I like.

Same with the events in A-Spec mode. There's a fistful of events that have no restrictions or happen to allow cars that I actually want to drive, even less feature interesting tracks. So, for the most part, I'm just trying to get it over with as fast as possible.

If only there was this create-a-race feature that was rumoured before GT5's release. Pick your car, the AI's cars, the track and just race. Hell, I'd be content if with the one-make races in GT Life had a somewhat decent payout that correlated to your level.
 
No - people are not. The last "Full Game" GT - GT4 was better in nearly every aspect.

I'm sorry, but this I do not agree with.

Graphics, consistency and content wise it may have been better, but in

-sounds
-online
-and physics

it doesn't hold a candle, and the last point is what I am most concerned with. Nevertheless, the game still is half-finished.
 
Okay, there's something that's really starting to bother me with GT5 above all else.

I'm actually spending very, very little amounts of time with cars I like on tracks I like. For the most part, if you want to actually progress through the game, you'll have to spend loads of time with B-Spec to get further, at least if you're aiming on somewhat 'completing' the game somewhere in the future. While that's okay for the most part, since you can do other stuff while B-Specing, it starts to annoy me. In retrospect, most of the time that GT5 has been running over the course of the weekend, it was in B-Spec mode.
Feels like I have to decide whether I want to get anywhere in the game (as in, make some money to get the cars I like and get to the level needed to buy them) and actually playing the game the way I like.

Same with the events in A-Spec mode. There's a fistful of events that have no restrictions or happen to allow cars that I actually want to drive, even less feature interesting tracks. So, for the most part, I'm just trying to get it over with as fast as possible.

If only there was this create-a-race feature that was rumoured before GT5's release. Pick your car, the AI's cars, the track and just race. Hell, I'd be content if with the one-make races in GT Life had a somewhat decent payout that correlated to your level.

its sad isn't it, most of the time now, I don't even get to play the game, the game just plays it self and lets me watch some times.:yuck:
 
@Devedander: You hit the nail pretty much on the head there.

Just trying to make a more informed decision, that's all. And I prefer reading the opinions of the users rather than the reviews from big-name sites. I can tell the game has a lot going for it, and from my brief playtime I had a blast, but I can't just ignore all the negative comments as well, especially the late-game grind issues which are somewhat off-putting. Does anyone know if they will be fixed or looked at?

As I mentioned I should be getting my rental copy from Gamefly tomorrow though (can't wait!), too bad I can't rent a steering wheel as well LOL.

But yeah enjoy the game guys just thought I'd share my two cents worth.
 
Maybe YOU are the "No brainer" - the disappointment with GT5 maybe doesn't start from the beginning on. No it comes as one progresses through the game. When you realise that you must do "special events" in order to gain XP and that the game lacks of events...


In previous GTs it was true that it was fun to do some events over and over again with different cars. In GT5 it is not because there are not much interesting events. And even fewer when you need them for "grinding" - for this purpose you can only use the "extreme events" .....

Oh boo-friggin' hoo! What you want is like having the answers to a cross word puzzle in the back of the book. It's hardly a challenge now isn't it?

You want shortcuts, and there aren't any. You know what I say to that? Tough s%$t. I was talking about this to a friend of mine who I do a podcast with, telling him that the biggest complaint about GT5 was you actually had to PLAY the game, and that there were no shortcuts. He posed the question if this was the latest depth of sloth in today's youth?

If you're not willing to put some time into this game, then maybe it's not for you.
 
@Devedander: You hit the nail pretty much on the head there.

Just trying to make a more informed decision, that's all. And I prefer reading the opinions of the users rather than the reviews from big-name sites. I can tell the game has a lot going for it, and from my brief playtime I had a blast, but I can't just ignore all the negative comments as well, especially the late-game grind issues which are somewhat off-putting. Does anyone know if they will be fixed or looked at?

As I mentioned I should be getting my rental copy from Gamefly tomorrow though (can't wait!), too bad I can't rent a steering wheel as well LOL.

But yeah enjoy the game guys just thought I'd share my two cents worth.

I think for $60 bucks, its still one of the best games out there. But for a GT game, I think it kind of fails. Think of it like a new Ferrari, if it did a 0-60 in 5 secs, sure that is considered fast for the average car, but its kind of pathetic for Ferrari. You should get it anyways, but if you were like some of us here who kind of expected at least a complete game that had been in development for 5 years, you can;t help but being disappointed.
 
GT4 vs. GT5

The DETAILS of GT5 are far superior to GT4. Of course what do you expect? PS2 > PS3? Of course not. If the graphics and detail were not better, then PD has outlived its usefulness.

The features of the Premium cars are awesome. The detail is awesome. The new physics engine is awesome. Nurburging Nordschliefe is ... more than awesome. But all of that is DETAILS, with the possible exception of the physics.

The actual GAME however, has GT4 far, far in the lead. Adding a level system was incompetent. Does anyone on GTPlanet support the level system? Not that I have seen. Not once. This is something they added to extend the life of the game, but in all probability, the savings to PD were marginal at best.

Adding races and events is trivial compared to the rest of the coding. The cars, tracks, prizes, etc... every single component is already there. A junior programmer could have built a template to plug in races & championships, and prizes. The point system had to be built from scratch. It's ridiculous.

So yeah, that's why I have been bashing GT5.

800 cars? Oh, but only ONE color. Painting the car does not count, because you are not going to be painting it in the original color. For example, the Speed 12 came in a number of specialized colors. But the GT5 "Standard" version Speed 12 only has ONE COLOR. If it's not the one you want, there is no chance to get that color on another car and paint your Speed 12 with it.

So, how do I get a Madiera Metallic XJ-220? They only put in ONE color for the XJ-220, and it's not the one I want. And that color does not appear anywhere else either. It's ridiculous, imo. It could not have been that hard to add the colors from GT4.

There are TOO MANY tracks missing. Where are the F1 cars? Where is the Rally section? Drag strip? Test Track? Multiple tunings? Gear ratio adjustments? Brake upgrades? Hello? Named replays?

Jumping from race entry to garage is a nice touch, as well as automatically filtering for relevant vehicles for the race you jumped from. Whoever came up with that, THANK YOU.

Please do not fix or update the physics in anyway. TYVM.

The coursemaker is an excellent first attempt. I like to see more/better in GT6, but for now, I am happy with it just being there. And I have made some good tracks, btw.
 
@xNEVER-ONEx

Thanks for the description and reply. I think I see what you mean - I never really was a big GT fan, and only really started paying attention to it over the past few months. I totally understand the disappointment though, especially given such a long development time.

However I am pretty sure at this point that I will be getting it soon, along with a DFGT. Woot!
 
Easiest fix for the lack of events... Patch the game, Kaz, and let us do B-Spec races as A-Spec. Can't STAND B-Spec anyway... I didn't pay $60 to watch someone ELSE drive my car!

But yes, I agree that it ought to be the job of a tyro programmer to come up with dozens more Events. Vitz races on only a couple of tracks? Why not EVERY event on EVERY track..? That would expand GT5 exponentially right there...

There should be some FREE DLC that simply plugs in a hundred or more new Events to the A-Spec section. Take a couple of days coding, tops. They don't have to give you a free car for every one... maybe some credits and a few XP. But until online becomes what we all WANT it to be, this paucity of events is perhaps the game biggest flaw.
 
I'm somewhat disappointed. There is a lot of eye candy, but I really don't see the this game been better than GT4. I do believe that the GT Series is the best driving simulation ever, but in 6 years of development of GT5, I was expecting a more complete game. I was expecting more options in term of the amount of information to have in the screen, more real life tracks. A proper Test Track. So many races that you were not able to see yourself finish them all... I do have hopes for the game to grow since patches can be downloaded (or at least that what they say...)
 
You guys are ridiculous..

First of all, you might have waited it for 6 years, but why did you give the waiting such a high priority? There should have been a lot of other things to do besides waiting for GT5. Personally I would have waited even longer in order to get an finished product.
The amount of time spend on making a game shouldn't have an impact on how good a game might be. Let's take Duke Nukem for an instant, over 10 years of waiting and it still might be a great game or a lousy one.

Anyways, now that you guys finally got the game in to your hands by pressuring PD to release it, you whine when everything isn't perfect right away. You can't even wait for the upcoming promised/obvious patches before doing so?

Some things I said might be non-factual (such as PD being the one in charge of releasing the game, I have no idea who's in charge really :P), but you can probably get the main idea.
And sorry for showing my feelings in this post, won't do it again.

i agree :) now let's just wait for more patches...
 
Playing through the game in GT4 was more fun than 5, driving the cars in GT5 is more fun than 4.
Playing through the events in GT5 is a chore half the time, especially when the cars needed aren't available most of the time and the license tests mean nothing now.
 
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