Is anyone else disappointed with GT5?

[XPLOSV]

I fail to see how any of that would improve this game or future titles in the series; and for all the mediocrity that it is, removing damage in particular would make the game considerably worse.

That post was assuming they would have more time/resourses to concentrate on those items I stated to be included, had they left out the points I stated. Mainly because IMHO they are pointless features of the game that are better and selling the game itself to those that dont enjoy the finer points (i.e. tuning, handing physics etc etc).

I mean they created Cape Ring but no Spa? Makes no sense to me at all.

The fact that you can buy a brand new R32 premium car and change wheels, yet cant do the same for the same model (but different version of) from the used car market is fail in every sense of the word. Same goes for the FC Rx7. If they had gotten rid of interiors, I'm certain we would not have this standard vs premium fiasco.

I will say the interiors are done spectacularly well (jaw dropping at night time even), but most people do not race in interior view purely due to the lack of visibility. So its just a waste. Same goes for the water effects on the windscreen and the wipers

As far as damage goes, it is impossible to model well, and adds little value to the game IMHO. After each race, the car is mended so whats the point? And its one of those things thats either very crap, or very good. Grand Theft Auto falls into the latter, GT5 very much so falls into the former.

I just hope PD realize this sort of feedback and change GT6 for the better. Go back to the roots sort of thing.......

PS the above are just opinions of mine.

 

[Luminis]

I will say the interiors are done spectacularly well (jaw dropping at night time even), but most people do not race in interior view purely due to the lack of visibility. So its just a waste. Same goes for the water effects on the windscreen and the wipers

Like, seriously? I can understand that people want to see the road as perfectly as possible to get themselves every edge they need, but once you get out of the seriously competitive crowd (and that's where most of GT5's sales come from), it's a major feature.
Seriously, I'd just point and laugh at any racing game that releases without an interior view these days.
Granted, there's little need to model the rear seats and the floor mats and whatnot, but a basic interior? GT5 feeds largely on it's eye candy (I guess), so it's a major selling point.

As far as damage goes, it is impossible to model well, and adds little value to the game IMHO. After each race, the car is mended so whats the point? And its one of those things thats either very crap, or very good. Grand Theft Auto falls into the latter, GT5 very much so falls into the former.

Meh, the major problem with the damage in GT5 is that's it's severly restricted while offline. The damage modelling is, well, somewhat okay in and off itself and, if it was available as an option for A-Spec (along with mechanical damage) like the driving aids, it would've been a decent addition to somewhat challenge the player to race at least somewhat cleanly.

Bumping off of another car or wall while taking a corner way too fast without any consequences plain sucks, in my opinion. Feels arcady.

 

[XPLOSV]

If they can model all interiors of all cars, then fantastic. If not, get rid of it altogether rather than have a two tier set like we have now (i.e. standard vs premium).

Penalties for bouncing off walls should be had. But to be honest, in 95% of corners, bouncing off walls will always be slower than taking the corner using the correct line, as you lose ALOT of speed hitting the walls. They could have modelled damage without physical body damage is what I ment in my previous post regarding damage (i.e. mechanical damage without cosmetic damage).

 

[XPLOSV]

And am I the only one that hasnt even looked into the course generator? What a waste of time that was.

Again, just my opinion.

 

[Luminis]

If they can model all interiors of all cars, then fantastic. If not, get rid of it altogether rather than have a two tier set like we have now (i.e. standard vs premium).

The logical sollution would be to ditch the concep of premium and standard cars, as well as a bullet point of thousand cars and just go with 500-600 cars at Prologue's level of detail. I'm pretty certain the car list could be narrowed down to such a number without ommiting anything major.
Than again, modelling cars that differ from each other by only minor details is the fastest way to increase the car count, so it would probably be the opposite of what I'd expect PD to do

Penalties for bouncing off walls should be had. But to be honest, in 95% of corners, bouncing off walls will always be slower than taking the corner using the correct line, as you lose ALOT of speed hitting the walls. They could have modelled damage without physical body damage is what I ment in my previous post regarding damage (i.e. mechanical damage without cosmetic damage).

It makes you slower, yes, however, it doesn't punish a lack of care and skill. The overall laptime doesn't suffer nearly enough if you're just bumping into a barrier every ow and then instead of slowing the car down.

You head into a wall at 160mp/h, you're out. That simple.

And am I the only one that hasnt even looked into the course generator? What a waste of time that was.

Again, just my opinion.

I'm with you on that one. if was an editor, I'd like it. But, a random generator doesn't do much for me, either.
Toscana is nice for Photo Shoots, and that's about all, to me. Then again, I'm not a big fan of cruising, so that might be where it shines for others.

 

[ultraman]

It's obvious that handling, graphics and car count was the priority over the menu system and overall simplcity of the game. I was mad as hell at how the game was released. In comparison to Forza, it is a more complete game. Some guys on here are overlooking the fact that it is flawed and give guys problems when they complain. GT5 6years, Forza 3, 2 years. It's that simple. They focused so much on graphics and the aformentioned that they made a game with new tech on old hardware it seems. meaning they seem behind. Forza 4 will be out this holiday and man it's gonna be trouble.

 

[leper-messiah]

It's obvious that handling, graphics and car count was the priority over the menu system and overall simplcity of the game. I was mad as hell at how the game was released. In comparison to Forza, it is a more complete game. Some guys on here are overlooking the fact that it is flawed and give guys problems when they complain. GT5 6years, Forza 3, 2 years. It's that simple. They focused so much on graphics and the aformentioned that they made a game with new tech on old hardware it seems. meaning they seem behind. Forza 4 will be out this holiday and man it's gonna be trouble.

LMAo, gonna be in trouble, all forza 2-4 combined will not equal Gt5 sales, get realistic. Gt is hardly in trouble.

 

[machschnel]

LMAo, gonna be in trouble, all forza 2-4 combined will not equal Gt5 sales, get realistic. Gt is hardly in trouble.

LMAo, gonna be in trouble, the last 3 Ferrari's made combined will not equal Toyota 2010 Corolla sales, get realistic. Toyota 2010 Corollas are hardly in trouble.

 

[leper-messiah]

LMAo, gonna be in trouble, the last 3 Ferrari's made combined will not equal Toyota 2010 Corolla sales, get realistic. Toyota 2010 Corollas are hardly in trouble.

Poor analogy as forza is hardly even a sim, A ferarri is a more advanced car, forza is NOT even sim. Again, Gt is hardly in trouble. Once forza gets real sim engine and physics then I might pay attention.

Your comparing 2 totally different class of car, to to games that are considered in the same class, only one much less so.

 

[Luminis]

Poor analogy as forza is hardly even a sim, A ferarri is a more advanced car, forza is NOT even sim. Again, Gt is hardly in trouble. Once forza gets real sim engine and physics then I might pay attention.

Your comparing 2 totally different class of car, to to games that are considered in the same class, only one much less so.

Who cares whether GT is in trouble? Who cares which game sells better?

As soon as there's a better racing game than GT5, I'll jump ship that exact same second I get my hands on it.
If that game happens to be Forza, so be it.

And, personally, I hope so. Well, FM4 or Shift 2. Why? Because those are the two games closest to release; given the history of the franchises, I'd put my hopes into FM4, though.

 

[leper-messiah]

Can you read? Please follow the convo without jumping in, a few people said Gt is in trouble,I said it isn't and the facts bear that out, not rocket science. despite good competition Gt sells truck loads and is really the only sim on console, people will buy it.

 

[Luminis]

Can you read? Please follow the convo without jumping in, a few people said Gt is in trouble,I said it isn't and the facts bear that out, not rocket science. despite good competition Gt sells truck loads and is really the only sim on console, people will buy it.

Whoever said otherwise?

Most people who are into racing games will get both games either way (as long as they're not released simultaneously).
I don't even get what you're getting so worked up about.

And his analogy does have a certain merrit: It doesn't matter how many Toyota Corollas (worse game) are being sold. It'll be nicer to have the Ferrari (better game), even if less people own it. And since you didn't seem to get that, I pointed it out a little more blatantly.

 

[leper-messiah]

Again you cant understand simple english, your comparing a niche car that most people cant afford, to a corolla, to a product that is identical in price and class. Apples and oranges. If ferrari's were the same price as corolla's, they would sell infinitely more. As fro forza being better? How? If you like decorating your cars yes, if you want a real driving experience no.

 

[Luminis]

Again you cant understand simple english, your comparing a niche car that most people cant afford, to a corolla, to a product that is identical in price and class. Apples and oranges. If ferrari's were the same price as corolla's, they would sell infinitely more. As fro forza being better? How? If you like decorating your cars yes, if you want a real driving experience no.

You don't seem to get what the analogy is about. It's not about whether Ferraris sell more than Toyotas. And it's not claiming that FM 4 will be better.

The only thing that this analogy tries to point out is the following:
If you like a Ferrari better, you don't have to give a 🤬 about how many people go and buy a Toyota Corrola. That's all there is to it and unless you're trying to misinterpret it, it's not that hard.

You could also substitute the brands for whatever you feel like. I don't have to give a damn how many burgers are being sold at McDonalds if I like the ones at Burger King better. I'll obviously go to Burger King, even if McDonalds sells better.

You know, in German, there's a saying that would translate to something like this:
"A million flies can't be wrong, let's eat poo!" Meaning, no matter how many people like something, it shouldn't affect your decision as to whether you like it or not.

Regarding which game is better... Well, I'll judge that when FM4 is released. I'll be getting it anyways

 

[deftonesmx17]

As fro forza being better? How? If you like decorating your cars yes, if you want a real driving experience no.

If you want a real driving experience, go drive a real car.

Neither game even comes close to the same feeling as driving a real car. I really wish GT would stop calling itself "The Real Driving Simulator".

 

[leper-messiah]

If you want a real driving experience, go drive a real car.

Neither game even comes close to the same feeling as driving a real car. I really wish GT would stop calling itself "The Real Driving Simulator".

get real, as far as games go, some of you must have difficulty differing real life from games. Within context of a game obviously. Gt5 does a good job of mimicking how cars handle in real life, much better then forza. Not close to driving a real car, you dont say captain obvious, that goes without saying.

 

[birksy82]

Again you cant understand simple english, your comparing a niche car that most people cant afford, to a corolla, to a product that is identical in price and class. Apples and oranges. If ferrari's were the same price as corolla's, they would sell infinitely more. As fro forza being better? How? If you like decorating your cars yes, if you want a real driving experience no.

I had Forza 2 when I had a 360, it was a very good game. Iv'e not played Forza 3 so I don't know what it's like but if it's better than it's predecessor then it is also a very good game. I didn't touch the livery editor in Forza 2, I don't even know if it had one tbh so there is a lot more to Forza than painting cars. GT5 is also a very good game but Forza has some things which it does better than GT5 and vice versa.

I hope that Forza 4 will blow GT5 out of the water so all of this stupid bickering of which is better will come to an end. I doubt that it will stop though .

 

[deftonesmx17]

get real, as far as games go, some of you must have difficulty differing real life from games. Within context of a game obviously. Gt5 does a good job of mimicking how cars handle in real life, much better then forza. Not close to driving a real car, you dont say captain obvious, that goes without saying.

I think you need to chill...

 

[leper-messiah]

I had Forza 2 when I had a 360, it was a very good game. Iv'e not played Forza 3 so I don't know what it's like but if it's better than it's predecessor then it is also a very good game. I didn't touch the livery editor in Forza 2, I don't even know if it had one tbh so there is a lot more to Forza than painting cars. GT5 is also a very good game but Forza has some things which it does better than GT5 and vice versa.

I hope that Forza 4 will blow GT5 out of the water so all of this stupid bickering of which is better will come to an end. I doubt that it will stop though .

Until forza stops being an arcade game and has a good physics engine..................................

 

[leper-messiah]

I think you need to chill...

Im perfectly chill, not sure how you can tell if i'm chill across the internets, but thanks for the concern, lol. Can't tell from the written word how someone is, the internet is full of BS, none of it is serious business.

 

[Luminis]

I hope that Forza 4 will blow GT5 out of the water so all of this stupid bickering of which is better will come to an end. I doubt that it will stop though .

It doesn't even have to blow it out of the water... If it can become equal to GT5 in terms of physics and graphics and keeps being better with the modifications and car selections, that's all I'll be holding my breath for.

I don't believe FM4 will have equally good physics as GT5, but, well, I won't dismiss it before playing it. It's not going to be inferior just because it doesn't wear a GT badge

 

[deftonesmx17]

Im perfectly chill, not sure how you can tell if i'm chill across the internets, but thanks for the concern, lol. Can't tell from the written word how someone is, the internet is full of BS, none of it is serious business.

Snarky comments are a clear indication of someones currently projected mood regardless of them being in person or over the internet

 

[leper-messiah]

Snarky comments are a clear indication of someones currently projected mood regardless of them being in person or over the internet

Um no, you really are not a license psychologist.. it is well known the written word is very difficult to discern, especially across the internet where everyone is anonymus. Im bored and biding my time, dont take this serious like you seem to be.

 

[IncredibleMind]

If you want a real driving experience, go drive a real car.

Neither game even comes close to the same feeling as driving a real car. I really wish GT would stop calling itself "The Real Driving Simulator".

You complain waaaay too much for someone that stays in this forum as much as you do. Just saying.

 

[deftonesmx17]

You complain waaaay too much for someone that stays in this forum as much as you do. Just saying.

Perhaps you should tell the entire forum they complain too much while sticking around? You know, seeing as how I haven't started any of the numerous complaint threads.

 

[IncredibleMind]

Perhaps you should tell the entire forum they complain too much while sticking around? You know, seeing as how I haven't started any of the numerous complaint threads.

If I had one wish, the attitude of the entire forum would change from half empty to half full. That or use the feedback function to give input on how to improve things.

 

[Luminis]

If I had one wish, the attitude of the entire forum would change from half empty to half full. That or use the feedback function to give input on how to improve things.

Good thing you're not in charge of the local censorship

 

[tribolik]

If I had one wish, the attitude of the entire forum would change from half empty to half full. That or use the feedback function to give input on how to improve things.

Why not both???? if everybody complained about the game we would have seen more updates already - if none complained we would have seen none
If I had one wish - the complainers about the complains would be just complaining about something that needed complaining about

 

[R34EVO9]

Why not both???? if everybody complained about the game we would have seen more updates already - if none complained we would have seen none

We have a lot of threads complaining about things and not much fixing taking place i don't consider seasonal events a "fix" its more of "reach around" if you know what I mean.. lol

 

[tribolik]

We have a lot of threads complaining about things and not much fixing taking place i don't consider seasonal events a "fix" its more of "reach around" if you know what I mean.. lol

Yes its far from perfect but at least after 105 we can actually get some of the cars we want and for free... I rather have more a-spec events to do and a good AI to do them against but....