Is anyone else disappointed with GT5?

[IncredibleMind]

Why not both???? if everybody complained about the game we would have seen more updates already - if none complained we would have seen none
If I had one wish - the complainers about the complains would be just complaining about something that needed complaining about

Well we almost have the same idea. Actually I think it would make more sense if the same person complained like crazy in this forum but then gave equal and constructive input in the feedback. I don't really see this happening. (shrugs)

To simply complain just for the sake of doing so is trolling.

 

[the Interceptor]

To simply complain just for the sake of doing so is trolling.

No, it's venting. Not the same thing and a sometimes-necessary psychological process.

 

[IncredibleMind]

No, it's venting. Not the same thing and a sometimes-necessary psychological process.

Of course. However theres a line where it becomes trolling if you don't actually want the game to improve.

I would think certain people that are angry about the game in the forum would be "venting" just as much in feedback.

 

[the Interceptor]

Of course. However theres a line where it becomes trolling if you don't actually want the game to improve.

I would think certain people that are angry about the game in the forum would be "venting" just as much in feedback.

I think that everyone who complains about something specific in GT5 would like to see it improved if he or she had the choice.

I have the feeling however that the feedback page is not really commonly known among the GTP users yet. Also, its meaning is somewhat in doubt. Asking for improvements there will not necessarily lead to actual changes in the game. I of course think it's a good idea, but I also think that pretty much everything anyone has ever complained about has already been covered there, so what kind of content should one add on top of that?

Putting your ideas onto the feedback page doesn't mean that the game doesn't grind your gears anymore. This is the place to talk about exactly that, so people do that.

 

[Destinkeys]

We have a lot of threads complaining about things and not much fixing taking place i don't consider seasonal events a "fix" its more of "reach around" if you know what I mean.. lol

Amen, brother Evo! 👍

A FIX is another 400 permanent A-Spec events, with reward cars for each but the standard cr. and EXP.

Now, excuse me while I go get a Kleenex!

BTW, there IS an FM3/GT5 comparison thread (front page, usually), so how about taking it outside guys, before this thread gets closed for going OT?

 

[IncredibleMind]

I think that everyone who complains about something specific in GT5 would like to see it improved if he or she had the choice.

I have the feeling however that the feedback page is not really commonly known among the GTP users yet. Also, its meaning is somewhat in doubt. Asking for improvements there will not necessarily lead to actual changes in the game. I of course think it's a good idea, but I also think that pretty much everything anyone has ever complained about has already been covered there, so what kind of content should one add on top of that?

Putting your ideas onto the feedback page doesn't mean that the game doesn't grind your gears anymore. This is the place to talk about exactly that, so people do that.

Something I did was put my complaints in the comments of feedback. If you simply vent and it goes no where it won't help at all. I got very specific on HOW and WHAT I felt would be needed to improve things.

Of course there's no guarantees but if I were PD, I'd pay a lot more attention to something like that.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Amen, brother Evo! 👍

A FIX is another 400 permanent A-Spec events, with reward cars for each but the standard cr. and EXP.

Now, excuse me while I go get a Kleenex!

BTW, there IS an FM3/GT5 comparison thread (front page, usually), so how about taking it outside guys, before this thread gets closed for going OT?

You better grab a respirator too, if your holding your breath for those 400 events.

Maybe for GT6, but its not gonna happen for this game.

 

[the Interceptor]

Something I did was put my complaints in the comments of feedback. If you simply vent and it goes no where it won't help at all. I got very specific on HOW and WHAT I felt would be needed to improve things.

Venting does help, it helps the person that vents. Talking about something that gets on your nerves with people who share the sentiment helps with calming down and keeping a clear view on things. That's what I meant with the psychological process. It doesn't help PD improve the game, but that's a completely different matter. I like being constructive, but I still need to vent.

Of course there's no guarantees but if I were PD, I'd pay a lot more attention to something like that.

Absolutely! If there's one place for PD to look at if they want to know what people would like to see improved, it's that. I have my doubts though. I am sure they will improve certain things in future updates, but given my experience with GT and PD, I'd say GT5 largely will remain to be what it is now.

 

[Devedander]

If I had one wish, the attitude of the entire forum would change from half empty to half full. That or use the feedback function to give input on how to improve things.

I wish it would change to recognizing they took too long building a container that is far to big for the content they had to put into it.

 

[reaperman]

I just went into GT5 for some online racing--first time I turned the game on in weeks. I had to wade through so many undesirable lobbies that I just gave up. Not one race.

Why can't I just search for title keywords?
if there were a filter box where I could put in something like 'HP -drag -nascar' and hit search it would give me every room title with a title-listed hp limit without the words drag or nascar.

Goddamn, the world doesn't have to be hard.

 

[IncredibleMind]

I wish it would change to recognizing they took too long building a container that is far to big for the content they had to put into it.

OK, so since it didn't happen this way, what's the solution? You can always put on the feedback page that you think they spread themselves too thin or need more employees.

 

[R34EVO9]

Yes its far from perfect but at least after 105 we can actually get some of the cars we want and for free... I rather have more a-spec events to do and a good AI to do them against but....

Thats true if your going to add more events fix the ai or give us what we had in GT5P where we can adjust the difficulty

 

[R34EVO9]

Amen, brother Evo! 👍

A FIX is another 400 permanent A-Spec events, with reward cars for each but the standard cr. and EXP.

Now, excuse me while I go get a Kleenex!

BTW, there IS an FM3/GT5 comparison thread (front page, usually), so how about taking it outside guys, before this thread gets closed for going OT?

👍

 

[CarreraGT]

OK, so since it didn't happen this way, what's the solution? You can always put on the feedback page that you think they spread themselves too thin or need more employees.

You're still here? Why do you assume that people haven't contributed to the feedback page? Obviously if they complain about something, they want it fixed.

If you want to read comments of praise and about the glass being half full, you came to the wrong thread. There are plenty of positive threads out there, but this one, as the title suggests, is for discussing why people are disappointed with GT5.

If you're not disappointed, why on earth would you join this thread? I don't understand

 

[Destinkeys]

You better grab a respirator too, if your holding your breath for those 400 events.

Maybe for GT6, but its not gonna happen for this game.

I'm not holding my breath waiting for those... I'm holding my breath waiting for Shift 2!

It's getting painfully obvious that the emasculation of A-Spec was a completely deliberate choice. Not a logical one, not a popular one, but obviously deliberate.

But it's the ONLY solution to the main problem in the game offline, and sadly, also the easiest to implement. Don't need cut scenes, don't need new tracks or cars. Every car and almost every track in GT5 is woefully underutilized. This fixes that. Nothing else does. It also fixes the main gripes of grinding and ease of filling your car collection.

PD seem too invested in their original intent to change horses mid-stream, no matter HOW easy it would be for them Pride cometh before a fall....

Sure, GT5 sales have done well (though I read that, I think in the UK, GT5 was reported as the most returned game ever) but GT6 sales may be a shadow of those if they stick stubbornly to their vision. Particularly with Shift 2 and FM4 saying how much of the things we have asked for WILL be part of their new releases, and improved physics being high on their priority list, things may be VERY different by the time that GT6 comes out (2015 or so?!).

But anticipation of a PD fix? Sadly, no. I am transferring my anticipation to Shift 2.

 

[IncredibleMind]

You're still here? Why do you assume that people haven't contributed to the feedback page? Obviously if they complain about something, they want it fixed.

If you want to read comments of praise and about the glass being half full, you came to the wrong thread. There are plenty of positive threads out there, but this one, as the title suggests, is for discussing why people are disappointed with GT5.

If you're not disappointed, why on earth would you join this thread? I don't understand

Simple, I read the comments. If you have a specific complaint it's helpful to put it in the feedback comments. Also, I don't believe I said I wasn't disappointed. I just wouldn't take it nearly to the extremes you have.

 

[Destinkeys]

BTW, why the NEED for a 'Feedback' section. THIS is the feedback section!

If PD are too lazy, too arrogant or too dumb not to have tasked at least one employee with reading and precis-ing this entire forum (the largest English speaking GT5 forum on the planet, is it not?) every day, putting the info somewhere else is not going to make a blind bit of difference.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

If PD are too lazy, too arrogant or too dumb not to have tasked at least one employee with reading and precis-ing this entire forum (the largest English speaking GT5 forum on the planet, is it not?) every day, putting the info somewhere else is not going to make a blind bit of difference.

It is known that Polyphony have (and probably still do) visited this forum on occasion. However, no member of the development team has ever made themselves known. Not to the forum staff, and not to the wider community. If and when they visit, they do so as an anonymous guest. Even if we did know who they were, we would not be at liberty to disclose their identities.

 

[CarreraGT]

Yeah, I hope they have taken at least some notice of this forum. It makes you wonder though, considering how many issues were discussed before release that didn't make it in GT5, or were done poorly.

We can only hope they stumble across the feedback forum, although even that is getting a bit off track. AI is still down near the bottom, what good is that?

 

[IncredibleMind]

BTW, why the NEED for a 'Feedback' section. THIS is the feedback section!

If PD are too lazy, too arrogant or too dumb not to have tasked at least one employee with reading and precis-ing this entire forum (the largest English speaking GT5 forum on the planet, is it not?) every day, putting the info somewhere else is not going to make a blind bit of difference.

Even though this thread serves its own purpose, the feedback page is much more organized and the vote count allows them to at least know what they 'should' prioritize.

 

[Luminis]

Even though this thread serves its own purpose, the feedback page is much more organized and the vote count allows them to at least know what they 'should' prioritize.

Agreed. But, as far as I can tell, the whole idea behind the Feedback page seems to be that it's easier to browse than the normal thread on this forum. It gives an idea as to which features are sought after the most, but it's not a good way to actually vent and discuss a given issue.

 

[Destinkeys]

Even though this thread serves its own purpose, the feedback page is much more organized and the vote count allows them to at least know what they 'should' prioritize.

It's not just this thread, it's the entire forum. And any place that allows you to vote multiple times for the same thing, well, I can't begin to describe how that devalues the worth of it (small as it is) in the first place.

And interludes, we don't NEED any acknowledgment that PD employees are here. What they patch and what they DON'T patch is the only acknowledgment that matters!

I can get a handle of what has been posted here in a half an hour if I don't reply. And, as you so often point out, MOST of it (or much of it, anyway!) is basic repetition of the same thing. If PD had had someone trolling here from the start, by now it is utterly OBVIOUS what the main player gripes are, and which practical fixes are the better solution.

But, as of yet, we haven't seen any of them. Repeating the info, and making a mockery of the 'vote' system is not going to change a thing.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

And interludes, we don't NEED any acknowledgment that PD employees are here. What they patch and what they DON'T patch is the only acknowledgment that matters!

Do you honestly think we are their sole resource for feedback? Do you seriously think that any patches made to the game will be the direct result of the forum complaining loudly enough about it?

 

[p-coletray]

Yes, very. But I can't walk away. Too many desireable cars to race around the nurb! Its the closest I will get besides the richard petty ridealong at lowe's oval! (And tearing up the trails on my KTM!

 

[IncredibleMind]

Agreed. But, as far as I can tell, the whole idea behind the Feedback page seems to be that it's easier to browse than the normal thread on this forum. It gives an idea as to which features are sought after the most, but it's not a good way to actually vent and discuss a given issue.

I understand where you're coming from but I've seen a lot of specific ideas in the middle of some of the vents. Those could easily go under a category in the feedback instead of being lost and forgotten. Just as others have said, the feedback may only be used for GT6 but now they at least know not to repeat those mistakes.

I think threat of competition is going to force them to take a real close look at what the fans are saying. I'm already extremely curious about Shift 2

 

[tribolik]

I'm not holding my breath waiting for those... I'm holding my breath waiting for Shift 2!

But anticipation of a PD fix? Sadly, no. I am transferring my anticipation to Shift 2.

Now its me who says Amen to that... I just hope we wont be opening another thread like this one on the Shift forums in two months time.

Do you honestly think we are their sole resource for feedback? Do you seriously think that any patches made to the game will be the direct result of the forum complaining loudly enough about it?

No of course not but we already bought the game so theres nothing to be done were it really hurts - now we can only contribute with our feedback...

 

[Destinkeys]

Do you honestly think we are their sole resource for feedback? Do you seriously think that any patches made to the game will be the direct result of the forum complaining loudly enough about it?

Of course not. Where did I say that..? I merely mentioned we were probably the biggest English speaking one.

And yes, if PD even PRETEND to be responsive to their customers' needs, patches should be the direct consequence of the forum world as a whole complaining about features. I see very little different in emphasis of complaints between here and any other GT5 forum. The shortness of the A-Spec career path, the AI, the lack of Premiums and RM's seems to be a universal theme.

We saw PD nerf the Seasonals after the wall of complaints (whining, bitching, however you want to negatively label straightforward feedback), so why SHOULDN'T we believe that PD are actually listening?

What is worrying is the emphasis of what they choose to fix and what they don't.

And, I must say, it is somewhat surprising to see a moderator here, of all people, try to downplay or even negate completely the relevance to the game maker of this forum. I would have thought you would have a higher opinion of the forum. Also, if there is NO point to complaining about things here if the desire is to provide feedback to PD, why a 'Feedback' section in the first place..?

Sometimes, taking an always contrary stance to mine (as fun as that might be!) tends to lead to lapses of logic. Even a stopped clock is right TWICE a day!

 

[Luminis]

I understand where you're coming from but I've seen a lot of specific ideas in the middle of some of the vents. Those could easily go under a category in the feedback instead of being lost and forgotten. Just as others have said, the feedback may only be used for GT6 but now they at least know not to repeat those mistakes.

I think threat of competition is going to force them to take a real close look at what the fans are saying. I'm already extremely curious about Shift 2

I'm not really sure about that... I mean, the feedback section hasn't been available for that long, and if you look at some of the ideas, there's already 50+ comments. I mean, a month from now, it'll be just as hard to find something specific between those comments as it would be in one of the threats around here.
As long as one can easily see which issues have been voted on the most, it seems pretty valuable, though.

And I'd like to agree on the competition thing. However, I though that FM1, 2 and 3 would force PD to kick into gear a little more than they actually did.

And Shift 2 Unleashed does look really sick. If EA can get someone to actually equip it with some decent physics, it could turn out to be a good game. Personally, I wouldn't even suprised if it started to go more into a sim direction.
They've got Hot Pursuit for the arcade crowd, so stealing some thunder from the other racing sims out there wouldn't be a bad decision...

If they actually used the experience Team Need For Speed gathers during actual racing, it could work out. I wouldn't even mind buying an upgraded version of a good game every year and a half

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Sometimes, taking an always contrary stance to mine (as fun as that might be!) tends to lead to lapses of logic. Even a stopped clock is right TWICE a day!

Easy! I've let your attitude slide for the time being, but for the past few days, you've come across as quite aggressive, particularly on controversial subjects. But my patience does have limits, and if you insist on testing them, I can tell you now that it will not end well for you.

Tone it down, thanks.

 

[Destinkeys]

No comment about the actual BODY of the post, though?

If you can read aggression into as mildly worded a post as that, I am sorry. Truly, truly sorry.

Does the AUP mandate that I have to agree with the moderators at all times?