Is anyone else disappointed with GT5?

[jjaisli]

Maybe in time trial with low grip setting tire behavior is more realistic. I haven't tried.

You should. Especially before you tear it apart.

I'm different than most people in that A-spec to me was just a necessary evil to level up and earn credits. I had a bit more fun doing license tests and special events. A bit. But for me, it's all about on-line play.

People went bananas in this forum trying understand the difference in handling between practice and online. To me it's clear. It's a matter of tire temperature, tire wear and fuel load. Online, if you choose 'real' grip and turn off all assists, including ABS, the dynamic weather is fantastic. The track doesn't just turn from dry to wet when it rains. You slowly start to lose grip over a period of a few minutes as the surface gets wet. And once it's wet, it stays wet. After a while, you can clearly see in some places a dry line will start to form. But in other places, especially in shadow you'll hit pockets of water with reduced grip. It's not perfect but I think it's VERY well done and better than any other console game I've played.

I guess it's not hard to argue that PD should have implemented this across online and offline play. I suspect they're still working on it and we'll see it in a future patch.

 

[vrooom]

...the difference in handling between practice and online.

I have never tried online in GT5. Are you telling that online physics are better than offline physics?

 

[Kevalin Pillay]

I absolutely agree with all of the issues noted, I bought my console just because of GT5, and i am saddened to the heart because i have to admit that Forza 3 does live up to expectations to a greater point than GT5.

Buy no means am I saying that the game is bad, but some of the ideas shown, are just simply NOT what PD has previously lived up to. I mean, less than 20% of the cars are premium, and yet you cant even change the wheels on them. and then theres way too much focus on B-Spec, and for god's sake, the Bugatti Veyron IS A STANDARD CAR!! whose brilliant thinking was that. if GT4 had slightly better graphics and a little more newer cars, i would gladly get out my PS2 console and start playing GT4 again instead of GT5.

 

[jjaisli]

I have never tried online in GT5. Are you telling that online physics are better than offline physics?

As it stands currently, yes. Or let's just say, they're more 'realistic' because they take certain factors into account which A-spec mode does not.

 

[redhed17]

Look if your dissapointed with the game stop playing it and buy an XBOX. Why waste your time winging about how you wish they had done this or why didnt they do that. Lifes to short!

Ah the classic riposte.

And here goes another person who fails to understand that one can be disappointed by a product but still deem it worth to spend one's time with.

Totally agree.

I personally love the game, the physics are near perfect, with a couple of exceptions, the graphics, both P and S are great.

I'm very happy for you.

It always gets me that in a thread asking if people are disappointed, there are people putting others down or trivialising peoples disappointments when the voice them. (This is not aimed at you Clio16v)

If nobody points out the flaws or bad design, and why they think they are flaws or bad design, then nothing will improve.

The benefit of modern consoles is the ability to offer software/data updates, we all wanted the game to be released quickly, so the less important bits were left out for future updates.

Which is fine if you have an internet connection and are happy buying a game with bugs in it. And before you say that no game is completely finished, there are various levels of 'bugginess' were you let the game be sold. Obviously, as in the PC game model, the amount and severity of problems that the game can be released rises when the option of an internet update exists.

Ok the amount of races are slim but PD have taken note of this and added the seasonal events which are actually really fun, especially if you keep the car standard.

Hold on, that sounds like it could be a disappointment there.

Again, what about the people with no access to the internet, they have no access to updates or any of these seasonal events. GT is a game you buy on a disk, to play by yourself (for the most part) and online content should be the cherry on top of the perfect cake imho.

It's both blessing and curse, in my opinion... While it's a nice way to rectify stuff that's wrong with a game, it's also a nice excuse to release games that are barely a beta.

I couldn't agree more.

Most people have tried to be contructive when voicing their disappointments, because though many of us are disappointed, we wanted it to be better, and will put forth ideas on how it could/should be better.

 

[p-coletray]

I absolutely agree with all of the issues noted, I bought my console just because of GT5, and i am saddened to the heart because i have to admit that Forza 3 does live up to expectations to a greater point than GT5.

Buy no means am I saying that the game is bad, but some of the ideas shown, are just simply NOT what PD has previously lived up to. I mean, less than 20% of the cars are premium, and yet you cant even change the wheels on them. and then theres way too much focus on B-Spec, and for god's sake, the Bugatti Veyron IS A STANDARD CAR!! whose brilliant thinking was that. if GT4 had slightly better graphics and a little more newer cars, i would gladly get out my PS2 console and start playing GT4 again instead of GT5.

One thing I will say is that the gates are open, the king is on vacation, and the guards are drunk. Other developers are reading this stuff and are hitting the books. But it's gotta be on the PS3 because not everyone wants to use a kinect or buy new hardware. I for one would be hugely upset if I had to pay xbox live fees.

 

[deftonesmx17]

Maybe that's it. They like to see cars as a collector's items and they hate racing.

I'd say "Photo Travel" confirms as much.

Then again, I just think Kaz or PD as a whole are out of their mind. Come on, two trophies dedicated to photo travel.......that don't even have anything to do with taking pictures of cars.

How difficult is it to give me an event creator?

Funny you mention it. I loaded GT2 on my PSP using POPStation last night and forgot until then, that it had one, sort of. If a PSX game could do it, there is no excuse why I can't get one on a PS3 game.

After playing GT2 last night, it became very obvious that many of their design choices have not changed since then. What was acceptable back then is not acceptable now and they need to learn that.

Menus with things you often access hidden 5 clicks deep.
Menus that only have an OK option that you must click on.
Buying and installing tuning parts is almost identical.

"Buy sports exhaust" - Yes/No
"Install sports exhaust" - Yes/No
"Sports exhaust successfully installed" - OK

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Most people have tried to be contructive when voicing their disappointments, because though many of us are disappointed, we wanted it to be better, and will put forth ideas on how it could/should be better.

While this is, as you say, our only "constructive" option at this point, it sure doesn't mean its going to make it happen.
For the most part, this will probably end up as nothing more than a hopefull influence for GT6.

Recently, I can't help but keep asking myself, why would we have to tell PD how to improve their game, when much of whats required they got right in previous games?
Honestly this is a pretty pathetic situation.
My biggest concern at this point, is that we're not just flogging a dead horse.
I hope Sony hasn't killed such a great thorough bred.

 

[gerb_b]

Nascar is not a good addition

Rallying sections are very poor for having so many rally cars in the game

B spec as an individual section is pointless, could have spent time on more events overall

Some cars are too expensive

The AI is screwed up and totally unrealistic

 

[Luminis]

While this is, as you say, our only "constructive" option at this point, it sure doesn't mean its going to make it happen.
For the most part, this will probably end up as nothing more than a hopefull influence for GT6.

Well, that's better than nothing, isn't it?

Recently, I can't help but keep asking myself, why would we have to tell PD how to improve their game, when much of whats required they got right in previous games?
Honestly this is a pretty pathetic situation.

Just my opinion, but I feel like they didn't know (or didn't care?) about what worked well and just, you know, did what they felt like.

My biggest concern at this point, is that we're not just flogging a dead horse.
I hope Sony hasn't killed such a great thorough bred.

I do hope so as well. With Forza 4 and Shift 2 on the horizon, PD shouldn't just do what they feel like... They may have the edge in the physics department, but somebody's bound to catch up somewhen...

 

[CarreraGT]

I have to say, I've been reading up a bit on other racing games coming out this year and I can't help but think that GT are slowly being left behind. They still have the best physics model going around, but the rest is still just being carried over from previous GT iterations with no real innovation in terms of gameplay.

Forza is moving heavily into the car customisation scene with custom liveries and loads of tuning options and their graphics/physics engine are not far behind GT's, Shift 2 looks to become more sim oriented and they have official licenses to the FIA GT1 and GT3 (not to mention Bathurst), while the new NASCAR looks amazing and no doubt F1 2011 will be too.

All the while PD are plugging away with what is still the most realistic console sim (I won't take that away from them), but in a game loaded with dull content which is beginning to feel dated and sterile. After watching trailers of these new generation games, GT5 appears to be stuck in the past in terms of purvaying the drama and excitement of racing

 

[redhed17]

While this is, as you say, our only "constructive" option at this point, it sure doesn't mean its going to make it happen.
For the most part, this will probably end up as nothing more than a hopefull influence for GT6.

I have no expectations that PD will see anything anybody says here, nor that if they did it would influence them in any way, but if people have disappointments they need to be written down just in case.

As mentioned previously in this thread though, it may be wise for PD to check various GT/gaming forums to get a feeling of what customers like and disliked. Just as it would be wise for any games developer to monitor how their game has/is being received. Whether they do or not is another thing.

Sales figures are one thing, but franchise games will sell on the back of their previous games if they have been successful, it will only be after a bad game (not being GT5 specific there fanboys) that subsequent game sales will drop significantly.

Should GT6 (should it ever materialise) be as disappointing or even more disappointing than GT5, I wouldn't want anyone to say well nobody said this or that feature was wrong with GT5, why didn't you say something then?

It also helps people to share their frustrations and disappointments, especially with something like this which has been so important (as much as a video game can be) in peoples lives for possibly many years.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

I have no expectations that PD will see anything anybody says here, nor that if they did it would influence them in any way, but if people have disappointments they need to be written down just in case.

As mentioned previously in this thread though, it may be wise for PD to check various GT/gaming forums to get a feeling of what customers like and disliked. Just as it would be wise for any games developer to monitor how their game has/is being received. Whether they do or not is another thing.

Sales figures are one thing, but franchise games will sell on the back of their previous games if they have been successful, it will only be after a bad game (not being GT5 specific there fanboys) that subsequent game sales will drop significantly.

Should GT6 (should it ever materialise) be as disappointing or even more disappointing than GT5, I wouldn't want anyone to say well nobody said this or that feature was wrong with GT5, why didn't you say something then?

It also helps people to share their frustrations and disappointments, especially with something like this which has been so important (as much as a video game can be) in peoples lives for possibly many years.

Unfortunately, I think I can truthfully say at this point, that GT6 will not be an automatic buy, as for me previous releases have been.

At twice the price of GT4, and at best half the game, GT5 has not been a confidence builder by any means.

 

[CarreraGT]

Same here, its sad because I am a long time fan of Gran Turismo. If Forza 4 turns out to be really good, I will sell the PS3 to buy an Xbox 360, then I can enjoy it and all the other racing games coming out (F1 2011, WRC 2011, NASCAR etc.)

Then GT6 will have to be pretty special to make me go back (if only I could afford both...)

 

[Killinator]

The way I see it Kaz (and given his high status, hes hugely culpable) has broken a cardinal rule in game development,

Hes not considering what the customer wants, hes making a game/experience HE would enjoy, with it seems little to no observation of his nearest competitors or complaints about HIS game.

I don't pay any attention to statements or tweets by him claiming to be humble, or saddened by a lack of a feature because after so long it just gets tired and repetitive and an excuse for poor game design elements that should have been laid to rest a decade ago,

With that said I do find myself enjoying the game a lot, its just theres too many incidences where I'm left wondering WHY?

 

[CarreraGT]

I agree with that. It appears that PD payed little attention not only to what the fans wanted, but also what competitors are doing.

I used to buy the whole humble perfectionist thing but since playing GT5, I'm not sure what to think. I obviously enjoy GT5, but its disappointing to think what could have been.

I think a lot of these new games will give PD a shakeup, if the feedback and reviews haven't already

 

[Slipstream2]

One thing i found diapointing is the License test, i mean its not needed now with the xp system, unless sony adds license only races with harder ai and weather conditions like in the special events.

 

[Killinator]

I think a lot of these new games will give PD a shakeup, if the feedback and reviews haven't already

I would like to believe that but at times I think Kaz has forgotten that most of us cant hop into our GTR and take it for a few laps on any number of tracks,
I sight the GPS tracker thingy as an example to back the above up!

And if he didn't pay attention before, then why would he now

 

[SuperCobraJet]

The way I see it Kaz (and given his high status, hes hugely culpable) has broken a cardinal rule in game development,

Hes not considering what the customer wants, hes making a game/experience HE would enjoy, with it seems little to no observation of his nearest competitors or complaints about HIS game.

I don't pay any attention to statements or tweets by him claiming to be humble, or saddened by a lack of a feature because after so long it just gets tired and repetitive and an excuse for poor game design elements that should have been laid to rest a decade ago,

I think all thats certainly a possibility, but I sense the direction and influence upon the game is more likely a Sony led enforcement on Kaz.

It could be just as you describe, but unless Kaz is just burnt out and used up, I'm very suspect he designed and directed this very subpar GT offering.

 

[xNEVER-ONEx]

I think all thats certainly a possibility, but I sense the direction and influence upon the game is more likely a Sony led enforcement on Kaz.

It could be just as you describe, but unless Kaz is just burnt out and used up, I'm very suspect he designed and directed this very subpar GT offering.

I disagree, I think Sony probably kept the project "realistic" because if it was totally up to Kaz, we wouldn't even see the game given his attention to detail.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

I disagree, I think Sony probably kept the project "realistic" because if it was totally up to Kaz, we wouldn't even see the game given his attention to detail.

Well he got out GT1-4, on his own.

Sony is the only new heavy influence at PD during GT5.

 

[redhed17]

I think all thats certainly a possibility, but I sense the direction and influence upon the game is more likely a Sony led enforcement on Kaz.

Surely Sony would be saying 'make it look nice by all means, but make it a better racing game (rather than driving simulation) than the opposition'. I think Sony may have finally lost patience and forced them to get it out before Xmas, and before it was ready to be realeased. They have to get them to get it out at some point and Xmas is the big market, otherwise you risk losing many thousands of sales.

If we assume that all the positive aspects of the game are down to PD, why should we not assume that all the negative aspects are down to PD? Imho many, if not all the design elements are down to PD. It is 'imho of course.

 

[iHealy]

Dont like the game? sell it then and stop moaning 👎 its only a game ... if you think you can do better then go do it yourself, we dont want to know really ... bye!

 

[xNEVER-ONEx]

Well he got out GT1-4, on his own.

Sony is the only new heavy influence at PD during GT5.

Hasn't Sony owned them from the beginning?

 

[snipersnake]

the only thing I am not happy with GT5 is the lesser tracks.I miss Grand Canyon..

 

[CarreraGT]

I would like to believe that but at times I think Kaz has forgotten that most of us cant hop into our GTR and take it for a few laps on any number of tracks,
I sight the GPS tracker thingy as an example to back the above up!

And if he didn't pay attention before, then why would he now

Good point. Oh well, might be time to move on to Forza.

To be honest I don't mind what game it is. Always been a GT fan but I'm in it for the cars and nothing else so if I can drive them elsewhere, that's where I'll be

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Hasn't Sony owned them from the beginning?

PD developed for Sony exclusively but Sony didn't own them.

 

[xNEVER-ONEx]

PD developed for Sony exclusively but Sony didn't own them.

Do they own them now?

 

[Zer0]

PD developed for Sony exclusively but Sony didn't own them.

Polyphony Digital Inc. is a subsidiary of Sony Computer Entertainment Inc., and is a software developer entity. Originally a development group within Sony Computer Entertainment, the creators of “Gran Turismo ” established Polyphony Digital Inc. in 1998.

http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/

 

[xNEVER-ONEx]

Polyphony Digital Inc. is a subsidiary of Sony Computer Entertainment Inc., and is a software developer entity. Originally a development group within Sony Computer Entertainment, the creators of “Gran Turismo ” established Polyphony Digital Inc. in 1998.

http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/

So they have been owned my Sony even before their pre PD history?