Is anyone else disappointed with GT5?
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That's a matter of opinion. It's always been a driving game first racing game second. Some of us like it that way. I love driving, I have a decent ride (IMO 91 GTi with 98 VR6 swap) however I'd like to experience (as close as can be & within consideration) driving some other rides, mostly the unobtainable. GT does it for me, and it's doing well enough wether you like it or not. It's not a game for most, some of us appreciate the series for what it is and commend Kaz for staying true to that for all these years. I think Kaz is more appreciative of us then any other & works to giving us what has become the "Gran Turismo" experience, more then just a game. If your looking for more of a game or racing game, maybe you should look someplace else.
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That's cool and all, however, from what I can tell, one of the reasons for disappointment I think I've read the most around here is the lack of a racing feel, a competitive spirit, so to speak. So yeah, it's cool that you enjoy the game as a driving sim, but I think it's a pretty valid opinion and point to make.
This is just a guess, but... I think Kaz just cares about the money. Sorry, I don't see him (or any other company) actually 'caring' about their customers. It's just a way to make money, if you make them feel that way.
I am, but it certainly wouldn't hurt GT if it actually offered some actualy racing, too. If you could participate in free runs (which is basically what you're doing now) and races (what I think is lacking in GT5), it would be a win/win situation, wouldn't it?
"If you don't like XXXX, go away!" isn't actually going to increase sales forever, you know.
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If your worried about engine sounds in the game, your not in it for the racing or the competition. You can buy a cd/mp3 filled with all your favorite car sounds if you want improved sounds.QUOTE]
Hey buddy, I actually PAID to get those sounds. And I'm in it for the experience. If Ferrari engines sounded like vacuum cleaners they would not sell for 200K$, if you know what I mean. A sim is about the feeling of immersion it gives you.
I completely understand what you say about features but to me this is just unacceptable. When you play a sim, the seat of the pant feeling you get from driving a real car is not there so you need to get everything else right if you want to be as close as possible to the real thing.
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- dominic_mccoy
I think the big problem that people have with the game (myself included) is that it hasn't grown or changed enough over the years. It feels old now compared to other games. It still does well what its always done well, but I think its right for people to expect more and for the series to be more innovative. I guess its because people love the series so much that they want to see it grow and evolve.
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Not all of us work just for the money mate, some of us have jobs we love and strive for... and I reckon Kaz is that type of person. Gran Turismo is not a paycheck for him; I would wager that it is a way of life.
Admittedly he's probably late quite often, forgets things or gets his priorities mixed up but then show me a genius that doesn't break some eggs while making an omelette.
When I was 7, playing Kickstart on my Commodore 16, I could only dream that games would get as good as GT5. As far as I am concerned PD did better than I thought possible with the hardware they were working with.
I think it is growing however people think things are just too easy. When GT3 was released it had a very small ( in comparison) car list. It's because they were transitioning to a new system that required they redo all the cars. Gt4 was an upgrade to GT3 however it still used the coding/detailing of GT3 only improved. GT5 is the same as in it's the first for the PS3, a system much more difficult to code for & with a much higher level of detail. GT5P was them releasing a title giving a taste of what was to come at that stage of development. I think people were expecting GT5 to be more of a GT6 to GT5P as GT3 was to GT4. I feel confident that GT6 will have that level of refinement GT4 had, if they don't just do all major refinements to GT5 through updates (something they were unable to do on the PS2 system.) I've already read that Kaz intends on upgrading cars from Standard to Premium, patience is a virtue.
It's not changing Because it's staying true to what it is, there are many other games more suited to the racing experience.
It's not changing Because it's staying true to what it is, there are many other games more suited to the racing experience.
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But there are problems with not changing and growing. The games industry is a giant now, with technology and expectations moving and growing faster and faster. To say that the GT series should stay to true to itself by ignoring features other games have implemented years ago will end up in the audience shrinking more and more.
Theres another thread on this forum called "Does GT5 have an identity crisis?" and I have to say the title sums up pretty exactly what i think the problem with the GT series is.
Its now, due to its lack of realistic damage or properly penalizing collisions not really a simulator. At the same time its not really an arcade racer because it has a lot of dept compared to arcade racers. Thats fine for some, and ideal for the console market but the problem is other console racers have moved on a lot in the last 5-6 years, so its natural for people to expect the best features of other games to be incorporated to the GT series.
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I just don't feel much ingenuity coming from GT5, might be the reason why I kinda stopped in believing Kaz was that kind of person. That and the fact that I can't see the touch of a perfectionist like he's always made out to be in the game, either.
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It's not a racing game but a "Driving" game. It would seam that fact is hard for some to understand.
How could anybody care about somebody wanting GT to change when what's made it so great for all these years is the fact it's stayed true to itself and changed as little as possible.
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This is really what it's all about - Gran Turismo is so sterile. Play a game like GTR, iRacing etc and the sound will scare you. The acceleration of the cars is profound. There is an almost perfect sense of speed - when your'e doing 300km/h, you'll know about it.
But in the end, I guess Gran Turismo just isn't for me. The above stated reasons and many others make it almost unbearable for me to play. In saying that, there is no reason why someone couldn't love this game, I just don't see why they would come to this thread. You realize by defending GT5, and making a big issue out of our disappointment, your'e given us the attention we (subconsciously) craved by posting in this thread.
A small addendum, aggressiveness and a defensive stance are common symptoms of guilt.
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- The Pool Of Life.
I'm sorry, it's a driving simulation, but a racing game. If it wasn't a racing game, you wouldn't be racing. If it was a driving game, then you would have free movement around a city (a la Grand Theft Auto) obeying traffic signals and keeping to the speed limit. That is what driving is to 99.9% of people in the world.
As for the car sounds, I've seen vids and pics of them recording cars since GT1 which just showed 'how dedicated they were to getting it right'.
I don't know what they were recording onto though, cassette? Would explain the lack bass. 
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While I think GT may have started out that way for Kaz, I am thinking more and more that the GT franchise is becoming the paycheck and ticket to support his way of life.
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I'm sorry, it's a driving simulation, but a racing game. If it wasn't a racing game, you wouldn't be racing. If it was a driving game, then you would have free movement around a city (a la Grand Theft Auto) obeying traffic signals and keeping to the speed limit. That is what driving is to 99.9% of people in the world.
As for the car sounds, I've seen vids and pics of them recording cars since GT1 which just showed 'how dedicated they were to getting it right'.
Beat me to it mate!
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Well I guys I can now say that my interest in the game has completely fallen off. The group I race with is COMPLETELY turned off with the game. Guys who race in real life (not any Indy guys or anything lol but guys with alot more knowledge and real life track time than I could ever dream about and some guys who work with certain companies in one capacity or another) just feel the game is "wrong". I tried hard to keep the game alive with the group but it's gotten to the point where some have outright hatred for it. This coupled with the fact that I'm just not getting the "umph" feeling from the game has led this to be a dust collector.
We have one NASCAR race left with the game Monday and this game will, in all intent and purposes, be dead. I, and probably a few others, will most likely be checking on the progress of updates but I think it's over now. Furthermore, I just don't have the drive to play it myself. My last hope for it died this Saturday when I participated in a race that was organized here and it was a huge disappointment. I wasn't the only one who felt that I might add. I'm very disappointed now, I was looking for this game to be the one to put the others on the shelf, now it seems to be the first one to the shelf.
In keeping with the saying "What's old is new again" we're actually looking at RacePro to give us our something "new and different" fix since we're all FM3'ed out, we've played the FM3 so much we damned near burned the label off, lol. We are aware the RacePro is bug ridden but the few of us that actually have it say once the racing starts it's a blast. I didn't check it out, but for 17 bucks now I said what the hell and ordered it. Should be here tomorrow or Monday.
Well I hope during the months to come GT5 gets patched to where it's supposed to be and we can come back to great racing, but until then I guess it's adios. I'll still come through to check some threads, especially the multiscreen thread. But I don't think it's necessary for me to debate the title with anyone anymore since I'll probably not actively playing it. If I do play then I'll debate ,but if I sell or cease then what's the point.
Good luck to all.
We have one NASCAR race left with the game Monday and this game will, in all intent and purposes, be dead. I, and probably a few others, will most likely be checking on the progress of updates but I think it's over now. Furthermore, I just don't have the drive to play it myself. My last hope for it died this Saturday when I participated in a race that was organized here and it was a huge disappointment. I wasn't the only one who felt that I might add. I'm very disappointed now, I was looking for this game to be the one to put the others on the shelf, now it seems to be the first one to the shelf.
In keeping with the saying "What's old is new again" we're actually looking at RacePro to give us our something "new and different" fix since we're all FM3'ed out, we've played the FM3 so much we damned near burned the label off, lol. We are aware the RacePro is bug ridden but the few of us that actually have it say once the racing starts it's a blast. I didn't check it out, but for 17 bucks now I said what the hell and ordered it. Should be here tomorrow or Monday.
Well I hope during the months to come GT5 gets patched to where it's supposed to be and we can come back to great racing, but until then I guess it's adios. I'll still come through to check some threads, especially the multiscreen thread. But I don't think it's necessary for me to debate the title with anyone anymore since I'll probably not actively playing it. If I do play then I'll debate ,but if I sell or cease then what's the point.
Good luck to all.
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As for driving or racing game, I think it's a matter of how you define both terms.
If you say that driving around a track trying to cross the finish line first is racing (which it is), GT5 is a racing game, yes. However, there are a couple of crucial things either wrong or missing for it to be a racing game, which is what I suppose people are referring to:
So if one defines racing as qualifying for position beforehand and having to fight hard to become #1, which technically is correct, calling GT5 a racing game is not quite on the spot.
If you say that driving around a track trying to cross the finish line first is racing (which it is), GT5 is a racing game, yes. However, there are a couple of crucial things either wrong or missing for it to be a racing game, which is what I suppose people are referring to:
- there is no qualifying
- the AI is slow, dodgy and drives inconsistently
- you always start in the middle of the field
- a lot of events are designed questionably
- a lot of possible events are missing
So if one defines racing as qualifying for position beforehand and having to fight hard to become #1, which technically is correct, calling GT5 a racing game is not quite on the spot.
I'm disappointed in GT5 the way a parent is disappointed in their genius child making a mess of his life. So much potential and is this all she can do?
However, you still love them. Critical when they mess up, offer suggestions when needed, praise when deserved. But they still do what they want to do. Shows occasional flash of brilliance, but keep messing up the simplest things
However, you still love them. Critical when they mess up, offer suggestions when needed, praise when deserved. But they still do what they want to do. Shows occasional flash of brilliance, but keep messing up the simplest things
Don't forget that the tyre physics and reality are chronically wrong, tyre strategy in Endurance races are completely irrelevant, just slap on racing softs and go for it. Hell if it rains just leave the slicks on, they'll work better than the wet tyres!!
I'm disappointed in GT5 the way a parent is disappointed in their genius child making a mess of his life. So much potential and is this all she can do?
However, you still love them. Critical when they mess up, offer suggestions when needed, praise when deserved. But they still do what they want to do. Shows occasional flash of brilliance, but keep messing up the simplest things
Do you know what...that is absolutely SPOT on!! I still play GT5, even though it irritates the hell out of me at times. I wonder why and it's because occasionally I get a glimpse of what it could and SHOULD have been.
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Qualifying is neither here nor there for me, and does not disqualify (pardon the pun) GT5 from being a racing game. Plenty of racing games don't have qualification.
If it actually made a difference where you qualified, qualifying being missing would be a big thing. As it is, you could start at the back at it wouldn't make much difference. It's that AI again.
If it actually made a difference where you qualified, qualifying being missing would be a big thing. As it is, you could start at the back at it wouldn't make much difference. It's that AI again.
Qualifying is neither here nor there for me, and does not disqualify (pardon the pun) GT5 from being a racing game. Plenty of racing games don't have qualification.
If it actually made a difference where you qualified, qualifying being missing would be a big thing. As it is, you could start at the back at it wouldn't make much difference. It's that AI again.
Don't you think it would be easier to gauge a cars competitiveness if you could firstly practise then qualify? As long as it's an OPTION, then it hurts no-one. People who want to do what happens now could just start the race and start 7th as normal. But those who would want to qualify could too, and as you say people could qualify last for more of a challenge. Everyones happy with that scenario.
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I have no problem with that as long as it wasn't mandatory. It would take just as long to start a race to see whether it was uncompetitive or not. But I think there are more important aspects of the game that need addressing, and seeing as PD have finite resource of programmers, to got with their finite number of graphic artists, I would put it on the list, but not near the top.
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