Is the CSR Elite better than the T500 rs?

[Spagetti69]

Has he ever made that apparent before now?

Ages ago.

@Paskowitz. Using GT5 for accurate simulation purposes isn't a good call mate.

Only today one member thought he had a faulty wheel when in fact it's the old GT wibble wobble down the straights syndrome. In real life I'd have my tracking sorted out.

 

[paskowitz]

Ages ago.

@Paskowitz. Using GT5 for accurate simulation purposes isn't a good call mate.

Well its the only game with a vast array of production cars and accurately modeled tracks. Also, as far as physics go, about the only game that does production cars (non race cars) better is LFS but that does not have any "real" cars. Maybe, Netkar Pro, but that is all I can think of. I know it does not hold a candle to iRacing, but about the only cars that any normal person may have are a Miata cup car or maybe someone went to a skip barber school. Other than that, what do we have? Nothing.

 

[PzR Slim]

Come on guys not ANOTHER witchhunt. I mean really can anyone have an opinion around here that doesnt have to be fanatec positive. Anytime someone questions this wheel they are attacked. They are called a liar or that they are working for another company. The way some of you act Id almost swear your on the fanatec payroll. But im sure its more like brown nosing hoping for that test wheel.

Oh come off it. The guy calls someone a liar for having an opinion on which has better ffb after having tried both wheels even though he has never tried an elite himself and this is a witch hunt? I don't know which has better ffb because I've never tried a T500, but I definitely wouldn't be calling someone a liar if they claimed one wheel had better after having tried both.

 

[Spagetti69]

Well its the only game with a vast array of production cars and accurately modeled tracks. Also, as far as physics go, about the only game that does production cars (non race cars) better is LFS but that does not have any "real" cars. Maybe, Netkar Pro, but that is all I can think of. I know it does not hold a candle to iRacing, but about the only cars that any normal person may have are a Miata cup car or maybe someone went to a skip barber school. Other than that, what do we have? Nothing.

Er, your 6ft 3" yeah. I'm not going to argue.

Have you got an Xbox. *runs*lol.

 

[FCTaff]

You beat me to that too .... I was thinking Errm Forza but was mindful this is a gt forum lol

 

[PzR Slim]

You don't think his post smacks of arrogance?

Anyways, this thread has gone off-topic.

No I don't, I think it smacks of someone who has been burned before and is suspicious of people's motives. And when such things can effect your livelihood I can understand that.

 

[Spagetti69]

You beat me to that too .... I was thinking Errm Forza but was mindful this is a gt forum lol

Yeah you get my drift lol.
Funny old place this.

You have GT Taff?

 

[left888]

Hm...95% of WildRun's posts are in T500RS related threads, and majority of his posts contain some tips and knowledge of T500RS

Well according to your philosophy there is a new member by the name of "FCTaff" and 100% of his post are about the Elite wheel, so what does that mean?

To me a good wheel is a good wheel. I already know the T500 is outstanding and in a few days I will comment on the Elite wheel.

A big problem on this forum is people commenting on the T500 that have never held it in their hands. After reading Sandbox's Elite review I was sold on the Elite wheel, but the "Fanaticals" that run amok on this forum I have no use for their reviews.

One Elite reviewer that I believe has never even seen a T500 wheel has spelled the T500 as the "t500" and the Fanatec wheel as the "Elite" wheel. Notice the "Elite" was capitalized while the "t500" was not. He spoke as one of his friend with a "beloved t500". How can this review even be taken serious.

Sandbox, mr Latte and a couple other reviews I took notice too because they were sincere. But the die hard "Fanaticals" only turn off the Sim community at large. I am buying what I believe is a great wheel and if I believe it isn't then I should not be attacked by a mob for saying so.

 

[Spagetti69]

I've read(stalked) many of you and Papa's posts on ISR.

I never felt the need to register over there until yesterday. A chap called Tinker stated that all beta testers were hand picked by Thomas.

Well as for GTplanet, FM net as can testify that a load of crap.

I know where your coming from Lefty and there's some out there I wouldn't give the time of day to.

Tinker was wrong when he said that. The community voted for them so all is fair as far as that was concerned.

Oh, didn't register after. Didn't feel the need to be a first post straight into an argument type. Too busy doing that here lol.

 

[Energizerrr]

Well according to your philosophy there is a new member by the name of "FCTaff" and 100% of his post are about the Elite wheel, so what does that mean?

Well, he's not talking about T500RS in a bad way.

To me a good wheel is a good wheel. I already know the T500 is outstanding and in a few days I will comment on the Elite wheel.

Looking forward to that, and in the end - it's the buyer's choice.

A big problem on this forum is people commenting on the T500 that have never held it in their hands. After reading Sandbox's Elite review I was sold on the Elite wheel, but the "Fanaticals" that run amok on this forum I have no use for their reviews.

That is always the case, I mean I got told that G27 has realistic pedals before I even got wheel, I'm so happy that I bought Fanatec.
The point here is not to believe everyone, sorry but that's how it is.

One Elite reviewer that I believe has never even seen a T500 wheel has spelled the T500 as the "t500" and the Fanatec wheel as the "Elite" wheel. Notice the "Elite" was capitalized while the "t500" was not. He spoke as one of his friend with a "beloved t500". How can this review even be taken serious.

Possibly a typo, although a conspiracy theory is always possible.

Sandbox, mr Latte and a couple other reviews I took notice too because they were sincere. But the die hard "Fanaticals" only turn off the Sim community at large. I am buying what I believe is a great wheel and if I believe it isn't then I should not be attacked by a mob for saying so.

I'm going to say that I haven't seen any "Fanaticals" here, maybe due to the fact that I'm one myself (not a fanboy, just a supporter of the company).
I like Fanatec, great company and I have all the reasons to claim this (but note that I'm not posting anything regarding T500RS/CSRE since I haven't used neither of them).

 

[advan031]

I hope to give the CSRE (or CSW) a try down the road when it comes out with a better wheel...until then T500 RS for me.

 

[Mr Latte]

Hold up, Ive been accused of plenty recently and well the people know full well their comments were based on their own misguided opinion not facts or proof. Yet did they care. So while some want to mention "Fanaticals" we have people that will name call and ridicule just for the sake of it to anyone showing support for any particular brand.

Most of us here are just into hardware, we appreciate good hardware too but Fanatec are the Pioneers for the masses regards "steering wheels". Sure they have their own issues but nobody can take away from Thomas what he has done for console as well as sim racers in the past few years.

I can't see many people picking a T500RS over a CSR Elite, sure some might prefer it but the whole incompatibility issue is just a real sore point for PS3 users. Elite goes one better by not only having compatibility with all PS3 games but offers X360 also. Then you have to remember Fanatec's tuning options on the wheel. All that before you start looking at performances and how each wheel feels.
So as a whole the T500RS is beaten.

Would I be surprised to find a new CSR Elite model this time next year with a different rim, hardly as I can see possibly even a market place for a non Xbox version of the Elite coming in at the T500RS price point. Well thats just me thinking outside the box but Fanatec are always innovating each year with something new.

Logitech do not seem to be interested in this side of the market, yet they may one day release a G27 successor. That wheel alone was a very minor update over the G25 in real performance terms. Thrustmaster again showed they can produce a good wheel for the semi serious player but their just isnt a brand in Fanatecs position and you have to go much higher to specialist wheel brands to get higher quality but loose out on loads of features.

 

[left888]

I've read one iRacer say he prefers the T500, all iRacing tracks are laser scanned and you feel all the bumps. He said he lost those intimate anomalies each track has with the Elite wheel.

 

[Mr Latte]

Ive played GT5 quite a bit with both wheels and would say you feel certain things more in some tracks with one wheel than you do on another.

Well thats how I was doing my testing right down to track/corner analaysis.
Thanks to the new firmware its all out the window and needs redone.

You can do this soon enough yourself.

 

[GTR4T]

I will finally have a chance to test out the CSr Elite wheel at a friend's house this weekend and very much looking forward to it

 

[paskowitz]

Er, your 6ft 3" yeah. I'm not going to argue.

Have you got an Xbox. *runs*lol.

Lol... 6ft 3" and a little heavier now at 196lbs (winter coat).

I had a 360 until it RROD'ed. I have nothing against FM4... except that its track models are horrendously bad. I have only tried it with the MS wheel, but that is not worth anything. So truth be told I cannot judge its physics. However, I have always felt, in general, Forza is a bit "gamey" (in other words, I am rarely fooled into thinking what I am doing is real).

If I am not mistaken the world order of realism goes like this (console sims GT/FM) < (pc sims rFactor/LFS/Netkar) < (iRacing). That middle area is always a pissing contest, but they are all about the same.

While I am not a huge fan of the T500RS. I got mine for $381. Thats is pretty good when compared to a CSRE. At $500 or $600 the T500RS, value wise at least, is worse than the CSRE.

 

[Spagetti69]

Lol... 6ft 3" and a little heavier now at 196lbs (winter coat).

I had a 360 until it RROD'ed. I have nothing against FM4... except that its track models are horrendously bad. I have only tried it with the MS wheel, but that is not worth anything. So truth be told I cannot judge its physics. However, I have always felt, in general, Forza is a bit "gamey" (in other words, I am rarely fooled into thinking what I am doing is real).

If I am not mistaken the world order of realism goes like this (console sims GT/FM) < (pc sims rFactor/LFS/Netkar) < (iRacing). That middle area is always a pissing contest, but they are all about the same.

While I am not a huge fan of the T500RS. I got mine for $381. Thats is pretty good when compared to a CSRE. At $500 or $600 the T500RS, value wise at least, is worse than the CSRE.

I won't get into a GT/F4 debate because it's not really worth it. Suffice to say that F4 is pretty good.

Sonac posted up an interesting test that applies to all consoles regarding FF.

Basically where applicable run the Fanatec Onboard FF at 100 and dial down the in game setting FF ( if it has that option )

I never used to run any FF at 100 because of an injury but when I did try Sonacs theory I found a balance where the FF was the same as before but a lot more detail was in the FF.

I know a lot of PC simmers will probably scoff but I have very little experience on PC.
The Xbox however did surprise me with very decent FF.

As a T500 owner, could you confirm the absence of wheel wobble on GT5 using that rig?. I've heard others say its not present.

 

[HoiHman]

Ive played GT5 quite a bit with both wheels and would say you feel certain things more in some tracks with one wheel than you do on another.

Well thats how I was doing my testing right down to track/corner analaysis.
Thanks to the new firmware its all out the window and needs redone.

You can do this soon enough yourself.

Do you already have the new firmware Mr Latte? I heard it's gonna be available soon.

Does it solve the issue with kicks in corners in Forza 4(not ffb game related)

Since you're are serious tester you must have noticed this on 715 ?

 

[left888]

So while some want to mention "Fanaticals" we have people that will name call and ridicule just for the sake of it to anyone showing support for any particular brand.

Well that also works the other way as well, in fact that is why I coined the term "Fanaticals" Since I own multiple brands I do not fall into this category. It's the ones who put down other brands without owning or trying other brands.

Most of us here are just into hardware, we appreciate good hardware too but Fanatec are the Pioneers for the masses regards "steering wheels". Sure they have their own issues but nobody can take away from Thomas what he has done for console as well as sim racers in the past few years.

It is well known in the Sim community what Thomas has done for it, his contributions. But there is also the PC side that is a better organized community. Not that consoles is lacking in support, it's just a PC offers so much more then consoles.

I can't see many people picking a T500RS over a CSR Elite, sure some might prefer it but the whole incompatibility issue is just a real sore point for PS3 users. Elite goes one better by not only having compatibility with all PS3 games but offers X360 also. Then you have to remember Fanatec's tuning options on the wheel. All that before you start looking at performances and how each wheel feels.
So as a whole the T500RS is beaten.

This is debatable, there is a PC community out there that cares little for the Xbox. The serious iRacing community mainly stick to the PC end of it. Until the Elite comes up with a better rim the T500 is holding it's own on the PC side of things.

Would I be surprised to find a new CSR Elite model this time next year with a different rim, hardly as I can see possibly even a market place for a non Xbox version of the Elite coming in at the T500RS price point. Well thats just me thinking outside the box but Fanatec are always innovating each year with something new.

That might be a possibility, right now for the PC/PS3 user the T500 is a better deal IMO. You get a very good wheel and decent pedals for half the price as an Elite wheel.

Thrustmaster again showed they can produce a good wheel for the semi serious player but their just isnt a brand in Fanatecs position and you have to go much higher to specialist wheel brands to get higher quality but loose out on loads of features.

That statement is laughable, go check out a few pros at iRacing that are using a T500 and call them a "semi serious player"

 

[paskowitz]

I won't get into a GT/F4 debate because it's not really worth it. Suffice to say that F4 is pretty good.

Sonac posted up an interesting test that applies to all consoles regarding FF.

Basically where applicable run the Fanatec Onboard FF at 100 and dial down the in game setting FF ( if it has that option )

I never used to run any FF at 100 because of an injury but when I did try Sonacs theory I found a balance where the FF was the same as before but a lot more detail was in the FF.

I know a lot of PC simmers will probably scoff but I have very little experience on PC.
The Xbox however did surprise me with very decent FF.

As a T500 owner, could you confirm the absence of wheel wobble on GT5 using that rig?. I've heard others say its not present.

I can absolutely confirm it is gone. In fact, I will make a video of this when I put together my review. The wobble is likely due to the large deadzone present in logitech wheels. What this equates to is, an ability to confidently point your car into a corner. Coming from a G25, using the T500RS I have noticed that I need to be much more gentle with my turn in since the wheel is so responsive. For example, iRacing, T1 at Laguna Seca is not a corner you want to over turn. As a result I initially found myself off the racing line. Once I realize how little input I needed, I finally put in some good laps.

What is interesting is that the T500RS has sort of a slight (and I mean really slight) FFB deadzone (more of a weak spot). Since it is so small, I do not think it hinders performance.

While I may need to fine tune the FFB settings on the TM control panel and in each game, I have found in general that the T500RS does not replicate the sensation of the steering wheel going light during the process of oversteer. Again, this could be too much damper or various other things, but I am reasonably confident.

 

[mykem]

That statement is laughable, go check out a few pros at iRacing that are using a T500 and call them a "semi serious player"

And some of the best iRacers even use DFGT. Again, it's just a tool and the secret always lie in how well one's able to adapt. Or better still understand why you'd want a wheel and then use that to decide how far (monetarily) you'd willing to go.

For example, I don't normally race (not against human nor AI) and I play GT5 primarily (and the only one since I've upgraded to Windowl-less Mac). I was thinking of CSW but after weeks of deciding and agonizing, today I've received my shipment of T500RS (and the TH8RS). It's everything I'd want and nothing more.

 

[Mr Latte]

Well that also works the other way as well, in fact that is why I coined the term "Fanaticals" Since I own multiple brands I do not fall into this category. It's the ones who put down other brands without owning or trying other brands.


It is well known in the Sim community what Thomas has done for it, his contributions. But there is also the PC side that is a better organized community. Not that consoles is lacking in support, it's just a PC offers so much more then consoles.


This is debatable, there is a PC community out there that cares little for the Xbox. The serious iRacing community mainly stick to the PC end of it. Until the Elite comes up with a better rim the T500 is holding it's own on the PC side of things.


That might be a possibility, right now for the PC/PS3 user the T500 is a better deal IMO. You get a very good wheel and decent pedals for half the price as an Elite wheel.




That statement is laughable, go check out a few pros at iRacing that are using a T500 and call them a "semi serious player"

If your so into iracing then perhaps spend more time on their forums. Lots of people that are after an Elite want it because of the Xbox support. That is already evident on these forums. The product is aimed more for the console player. As for semi serious term sorry if you don't like that, lol. I would expect the majority of T500RS owners to be what I call "semi serious" in that they wont spend $1000 - $2000 on a steering wheel like the specialist brands offer for pros or the pure sim nuts.

When you get your CSRE then your perhaps going to be in a better position to reflect more on each wheel. However I am willing to wager now you end up selling one of your T500RS. Personally I will keep both but only until I will be waving goodbye to the T500RS replacing it with a CSW.

As for Fanatec and me stating their isn't a similar brand to them. Well then you are welcome to show a brand that has so many products for the community and been so widely accepted. The sales record to what they have achieved is quite impressive and with Japan / Pacific regions coming online only will increase. Without Fanatec we would have much fewer product choices between mainstream and specialist products and at quite specialist price points. The CSW clearly looks to set a new benchmark for such a "semi serious" price point yet likely appeal to and perhaps challenge some very serious wheels on the market. So I have plenty of reasons as a "product person" to appreciate and respect what they have done and the very man responsible.

It is the CSW which will showcase what they have planned for the PC sim enthusiast. That product fully will reflect "Fanatec's" position and your welcome with your iracing buddies to compare it to the T500RS all you want.

 

[Spagetti69]

@Paskowitz. Cheers fella. Didn't know you was planning on a review. I'll look out for it.

 

[WildRun]

Wildrun claims to be a beta tester. Send him a wheel.

Not possible as I signed an NDA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreement (with some specific clauses ) like all TM beta testers.

Title of this post is "Is the CSR Elite better than the T500 rs?".

So it's normal to speak also about the "strength".
I've received recently some data sheets and some comparative videos of these 2 wheels. Of course I can't disclose them. They just show that Torque and RPM Speed is stronger on T500 RS.

But these videos use same freeware (Fedit.exe) with same effects I put on my previous post:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6418660#post6418660

So if you have these 2 wheels, you can do the same test (and same videos) on your side.
And that all!

 

[Saidur_Ali]

If your so into iracing then perhaps spend more time on their forums. Lots of people that are after an Elite want it because of the Xbox support. That is already evident on these forums. The product is aimed more for the console player. As for semi serious term sorry if you don't like that, lol. I would expect the majority of T500RS owners to be what I call "semi serious" in that they wont spend $1000 - $2000 on a steering wheel like the specialist brands offer for pros or the pure sim nuts.

When you get your CSRE then your perhaps going to be in a better position to reflect more on each wheel. However I am willing to wager now you end up selling one of your T500RS. Personally I will keep both but only until I will be waving goodbye to the T500RS replacing it with a CSW.

As for Fanatec and me stating their isn't a similar brand to them. Well then you are welcome to show a brand that has so many products for the community and been so widely accepted. The sales record to what they have achieved is quite impressive and with Japan / Pacific regions coming online only will increase. Without Fanatec we would have much fewer product choices between mainstream and specialist products and at quite specialist price points. The CSW clearly looks to set a new benchmark for such a "semi serious" price point yet likely appeal to and perhaps challenge some very serious wheels on the market. So I have plenty of reasons as a "product person" to appreciate and respect what they have done and the very man responsible.

It is the CSW which will showcase what they have planned for the PC sim enthusiast. That product fully will reflect "Fanatec's" position and your welcome with your iracing buddies to compare it to the T500RS all you want.

You could get a T500RS, CSRE or an ECCI wheel and still not be a semi serious player. People can be very serious whether with a pad or entry level wheel or high-end one.

Fanatec still make the only 900 degree force feedback wheel for the 360 as far as I know so credit to them giving the option. Without them, Forza might only have 270 degree support. The budget CSR package comparable to the G27 makes it nearly twice the price and that is the entry level Xbox 360 900 degree FFB wheel. The T500RS is quite a bit cheaper in the UK than the CSRE and looks like will be considerably cheaper than the CSW. Fanatec products are generally a step up in price compared to the competitor so options like the T500RS remain relevant still. The buttons on the T500RS look better to me. If the CSRE or the CSR had a better wheel rim, it would maybe make me get a Fanatec over the G27 but the ergonomics don't seem that good. I hope they make a CSR and CSRE option with a wheel rim that is as good as the DFGT in terms of buttons and layout and then I will be sold.

 

[FCTaff]

All this rim talk makes me laugh.

My BMW 5 series buttons on the wheel are shock horror.... Not as close to the rim as the elite buttons are !
I have to move my thumb to turn the cd up and have to move my whole hand and change my grip to push the button to end a call.


I really do not know what BMW were thinking ! I off to some forums to flame BMW.

 

[VWMasteR]

To me a good wheel is a good wheel. I already know the T500 is outstanding and in a few days I will comment on the Elite wheel.

One Elite reviewer that I believe has never even seen a T500 wheel has spelled the T500 as the "t500" and the Fanatec wheel as the "Elite" wheel. Notice the "Elite" was capitalized while the "t500" was not. He spoke as one of his friend with a "beloved t500". How can this review even be taken serious.

I sometimes do and don't put RS at the end. I think context here is more important than the way they are spelling it. TBH both are great, but one is better overall if you average everything out (IMO).

I think people kind of lose sight of a few things when looking at hardware. What hardware you own doesn't define you. The circumstances and available products change monthly, so at best the only thing it does define is what you ended up with.

Most of us here are just into hardware, we appreciate good hardware too but Fanatec are the Pioneers for the masses regards "steering wheels". Sure they have their own issues but nobody can take away from Thomas what he has done for console as well as sim racers in the past few years.

They really have pushed the market. I don't really understand why Logitech hasn't done too much in the last few years.

So as a whole the T500RS is beaten.

I believe this to be a fair statement.

Logitech do not seem to be interested in this side of the market, yet they may one day release a G27 successor. That wheel alone was a very minor update over the G25 in real performance terms. Thrustmaster again showed they can produce a good wheel for the semi serious player but their just isnt a brand in Fanatecs position and you have to go much higher to specialist wheel brands to get higher quality but loose out on loads of features.

I agree except for the minor upgrades, as I believe Logitech threw in a downgrade.

I really do not know what BMW were thinking ! I off to some forums to flame BMW.

LOL

While I type all this WildRun has already come on verifying that he is a tester.

 

[paskowitz]

All this rim talk makes me laugh.

My BMW 5 series buttons on the wheel are shock horror.... Not as close to the rim as the elite buttons are !
I have to move my thumb to turn the cd up and have to move my whole hand and change my grip to push the button to end a call.


I really do not know what BMW were thinking ! I off to some forums to flame BMW.

Don't you just hate that!

 

[FCTaff]

I post from an iPad and after you have typed things a few times it learns. So after posting on ISR ( it's just put ISR in caps auto ) with the word Elite with a cap E it now does a cap e every time I type Elite. As I never really type T500 unless I remember to put cap t the pad does not.

What were apple thinking ! I'm off to some forums to flame apple.

Here is a link to my friends beloved T ! 500.... The one some doubt exists or I have never seen lol you will see the reason for it's sale. Even eBay links to it. If you look where he is from you will see he is also welsh. If you go through his post you will see we are friends IRL. Funny thing is left888 knows this to be the case because he is on ISR ( see what the pad did there ?) so quite why he said that I do not know. If you need more proof PM smudge, he will confirm were are m8s and have been for about 20 years.



" How can this review even be taken serious." I think you will find that should be seriously


http://insidesimracing.tv/forums/viewtopic.php?f=148&t=5911

 

[VWMasteR]

What is the most current unavailable firmware up to now on the CSRe