Is the CSR Elite better than the T500 rs?

[Mahnegold]

How much play in the Wheel are we talking here?

Hmmm, you have to ask the CSR-E owners who complaint about the play in the steering axis. Some of them have been offered to get a replacement wheel. Some of them not.

I refer to Thomas' reply (somewhere here at GTP), where he has not said that the axis can have a bit of play within the tolerance, but that the wheel must have some play to work properly. And that was hard to understand for myself. I own (only counting my FFB wheels) a T500, a RGT and a GT3 RS and none of them have any play at all. And as I mentioned I have some experience with other types of axis' without any play.

And I ask for a serious answer. Not for a (EDIT) ironic one...
(maybe the better word?)

 

[theofilosz]

Sorry but I did not get Fanatec's answer as sarcastic, maybe you red it the wrong way.

 

[thechosenwonton]

^^nor did I, theofliosz

My CSR-E has absolutely zero slop/play in the steering axis. STILL waiting on the pedals to ship - the agony

 

[paskowitz]

Again, this cannot be said enough. People on forums are more likely to voice their concerns/problems with a product. Not every person who buys a product is on a forum. Not that it is good, but even if say 10 people complained about steering play on GTPlanet, that is still a small number compared to the total product out on the market. Sometimes issues are isolated, sometimes they are not. The only way to tell for sure is if the company says something (recall). Not that anyone is at fault for this, it is just good to keep things in perspective.

 

[Caz]

About ten years ago when I was getting into a general managers position I read a book calleds Raving Fans. It hits on the exact subject of negative verse positive public spoken reviews. In most cases it takes an extraoradinary effort to get customers to praised your business without being provoked it asked about it. While negative comments will flow from the consumer with relative ease.
That book should be required reading for everyone who is going to spend money sometime in there life on products or services. End off topicedness from me.


Taught my wife's friend how to drive stick last night using my gt2/csp ( didn't want to put the unneeded wear on the wife's Jeep Sahara) She tried for real today and after a couple minutes she had it down pat. !!!


Edit : oops thought I was in the master fanatec thread

 

[Spagetti69]

Not every person who buys a product is on a forum.

Very true.

Where does Fanatec advertise there goods mostly? For free too.

I've not seen a magazine article, TV advertisement or Sky blimp with their products on.

How did you find out about it?

I would guess at least 90% of owners have been around a forum. Thomas isn't stupid, why waste advertising costs when it's free and direct to the main consumer via the webz.

 

[zedfonsie]

Save your money, get a g27. spend 200$ on club sport pedals and maybe 150$ on a the t500rs shifter.

 

[Mahnegold]

Sorry but I did not get Fanatec's answer as sarcastic, maybe you red it the wrong way.

Maybe I did. Definitely I read it in a different way.

 

[JogoAsobi]

Not every person who buys a product is on a forum.

How did you find out about it?

I would guess at least 90% of owners have been around a forum.

Web stats seem to indicate quite a few people find Fanatec through internet search:

See: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/fanatec.de

Save your money, get a g27. spend 200$ on club sport pedals and maybe 150$ on a the t500rs shifter.

You must be suggesting this combination for use on a PC, not GT5, last I checked a G27 will not work with CSP Pedals on a PS3.

Maybe I did. Definitely I read it in a different way.

Mahnegold appears to be German, and Thomas is German, if that is the case, there is a good possibility that a nuance was picked up by Mahnegold others are tone deaf to, even though the communication was in English.

 

[HoiHman]

Mahnegold is dutch and not german.

Yes Fanatec answer was sarcastic and yes he uses the forums as a free advertising method (which is very smart)

This thread should be about the CSR Elite vs the T500 rs.

At the moment it seems more like a topic about the CSR Elite belt system and Fanatec marketing strategy system.

 

[JogoAsobi]

Mahnegold is dutch and not german.

I will let him answer that, I am well aware the flag is dutch.

 

[Mahnegold]

JogoAsobi refers to my profile at ISR. I live in the Netherlands at the moment but I am a German. At GTP you can only add one location so I choosed the one where I live.

But I agree with HoiHman that we should return to topic now.

 

[novadave]

The cog belt system is much too risky and very vulnerable to manufacturing tolerances. As you seem to be an expert, you are certainly aware that tolerances can add up in the drive system and therefore are hard to control. And in case a cog belt slips, it is damaged. V-belts can slip a bit without beeing damaged and if there is no noise then you will not notice anything. I can live with the fact that it might hurt your visual senses as this has lower priority to us than the haptic feedback you get.

An automatic belt tensioner is just adding friction and this is the real enemy when it comes to force feedback performance. We probably have more experience than any other company with belt driven force feedback wheels and we leaned our lessons

Quote (The cog belt system is much too risky and very vulnerable to manufacturing tolerances )

if it is risky then why do you continue with this method in most of your other wheels including the CSR.
just curious

 

[novadave]

Mahnegold is dutch and not german.

Yes Fanatec answer was sarcastic and yes he uses the forums as a free advertising method (which is very smart)

This thread should be about the CSR Elite vs the T500 rs.

At the moment it seems more like a topic about the CSR Elite belt system and Fanatec marketing strategy system.

yes i agree that the answer thomas gave was probably sarcastic - but it is irrelevent .
yes he does own fanatec but he is not an engineer.
he is an economics major.
great for selling but not for building

 

[paskowitz]

yes i agree that the answer thomas gave was probably sarcastic - but it is irrelevent .
yes he does own fanatec but he is not an engineer.
he is an economics major.
great for selling but not for building

Yeah but he is German... so engineering probably comes naturally.

 

[Mahnegold]

Lol

 

[occasionalracer]

Double post...

 

[occasionalracer]

yes i agree that the answer thomas gave was probably sarcastic - but it is irrelevent .
yes he does own fanatec but he is not an engineer.
he is an economics major.
great for selling but not for building

Boy, do we have a brilliant mind here... just head on over to your little SAE "Get Connected" party and show the world how it's done. One thing is for sure, Europeans attending will get a good chuckle at how far behind North America is as far as technological/mechanical advancements...

Engineering in NA is a complete write-off, but even implementing existing new technologies in the energy and automotive sector is going mighty slow.

Sorry am I being rude?... NO, because you are making silly assumptions about Fanatec's inner workings and staff, and taking a little jab at Thomas for having majored in Economics, lol... you go ahead and open your own manufacturing shop and round up all the third-party manufacturers, go through endless tinkering and testing, then put your masterpiece product together.

Having said that I think it's REALLY important that Fanatec keep their product testing and possible revisions of certain parts, such as possibly as Mahnegold said utilizing a super solid ball bearing (I don't own the CSR E so I can't look at the mechanics and make my own opinion) and just absolutely make sure that these wheels last for years without flaws or performance decrease for at least 3-4 years.

Anyway... for now I'm enjoying my T500 but I'm eying the updates on the CSW for the future, good day!

 

[thechosenwonton]

^Obvious troll is obvious.

 

[JogoAsobi]

^
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Irrelevant

 

[novadave]

Boy, do we have a brilliant mind here... just head on over to your little SAE "Get Connected" party and show the world how it's done. One thing is for sure, Europeans attending will get a good chuckle at how far behind North America is as far as technological/mechanical advancements...

Engineering in NA is a complete write-off, but even implementing existing new technologies in the energy and automotive sector is going mighty slow.

Sorry am I being rude?... NO, because you are making silly assumptions about Fanatec's inner workings and staff, and taking a little jab at Thomas for having majored in Economics, lol... you go ahead and open your own manufacturing shop and round up all the third-party manufacturers, go through endless tinkering and testing, then put your masterpiece product together.

Having said that I think it's REALLY important that Fanatec keep their product testing and possible revisions of certain parts, such as possibly as Mahnegold said utilizing a super solid ball bearing (I don't own the CSR E so I can't look at the mechanics and make my own opinion) and just absolutely make sure that these wheels last for years without flaws or performance decrease for at least 3-4 years.

Anyway... for now I'm enjoying my T500 but I'm eying the updates on the CSW for the future, good day!

" irrelevant "

 

[Fanatec...]

yes i agree that the answer thomas gave was probably sarcastic - but it is irrelevent .
yes he does own fanatec but he is not an engineer.
he is an economics major.
great for selling but not for building

It was not meant to be sarcastic as I think that you do have knowledge about belts in general.
I am not the one in this discussion to question the qualification and know-how of the other party. It seems that you think that our engineers are completely dumb and I am just talking marketing blah blah. I will not try to convince you of the opposite as the many reviews about the quality of the force feedback of the CSR E speaks for itself.

Cog belts as used on the T500RS and our Porsche wheels are not optimal for force feedback wheels and in future designs we will most likely not use it although I have to ay that cog belts are still better than gear driven systems or others.

 

[Mahnegold]

Seems that my questions here end in the same spam-filter like my mails to your customer support...

(that was sarcastic)

 

[thechosenwonton]

Come on guys, can't we all just... get along?

/rodneyking

This thread is off the rails man... just sayin'

 

[lamck]

*received wheel on saturday*
Heres a mini review typed up in 5 minutes..mind the grammer/spelling mistakes

Hello Somebodysb2

How did you buy this wheel in HK? The official website only delivers it in US & Euro and it is also not available in Amazon.

How much was the cost in total?

Thanks