January DLC announced - Out now!

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this thread is about the jan DLC it's not a thread about Gt vs Fm so why has he tried to make it such?? that IS trolling in its classic form. Trying to basically bait peole for his own kicks... not to mention how does he know that forza won't do to cockpit justice?? I'll say it even if it gets me banned, he's a troll. he can't stand that people are enjoying Forza.

You like Forza lol fine by me...all I said if you see my comment was Forza would not be able to model the interior properly like most of their Pagani's it doe snot do it justice. Some guy, t.o is the one who brought up PD. :dunce:
 
What Turn-10 did with its car models is still really good, and looks great. I feel that they struck a really good middle ground with their interior views. T10 obviously had to make some sacrifices in order to get out 500+ cars, all with interior views. What sacrifices they did make, are really minor, and i've only ever seen people gripping at straws or really pushing what they will complain over, in order to make a case against Forza 4. The issues are incredibly minor.
 
You like Forza lol fine by me...all I said if you see my comment was Forza would not be able to model the interior properly like most of their Pagani's it doe snot do it justice. Some guy, t.o is the one who brought up PD. :dunce:

And if your just going to nitpick pointless details, go somewhere else, your being unproductive and pedantic.
 
I have a similar motto, dubstep ruins everything that's worth anything.

For S&Gs, I'm going to try and have as much fun as possible with the pinto.

I think you missunderstood me my good friend. read: Everything IS ALWAYS immediately and dramatically improved by the addition of dubstep. ;)
 
I think you missunderstood me my good friend. read: Everything IS ALWAYS immediately and dramatically improved by the addition of dubstep. ;)
I would assume that eSZee did read your post correctly and still lives by his motto. And, frankly, I happen to agree with it :lol:
 
Topic - back on it please (and its not dubstep to give you all a clue).


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I'd just like to leave this here.
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The Jan DLC is great but what's with leaving out Mercs? We've had plenty of new Beemers and Audis but no new Mercs for F4 so far......Hopefully we'll see some soon. Would love an '04 CLK DTM AMG :cheers:
 
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4875461


From HOT ROD MAGAZINE:

So you thought Carroll Shelby was out of it, reduced to the second-fiddle role of keeping all the performance car promises Lee Iaccoca was making about Chrysler products. Perhaps you even figured the Ol' Master was talking out of the side of his mouth when he spoke (HRM June '85) of low-cost, four-cylinder front-wheel-drive mini cars that can go out and beat up on the big stuff. Well, don't feel bad, so did we. Till Now.

Carroll Shelby is back, and he's just fired the first bullet in his battle with the performance car world--the Shelby GLHS. Seems Shelby is setting up shop again. It's back in the trenches for the man who's been busy consulting with Chrysler Corporation for the past three years. Though his plans haven't changed on that score, he'll still be developing hardware for the "Dodge Boys," and now he intends to build cars the bean counters won't let Iacocca make.

If there's one question Shelby dislikes hearing about his new activity, it's: "Will it be like the good old days?" Without our ever asking, Shelby made it perfectly clear that the new Shelby Automobiles, Inc. won't be building any 427 Cobras, GT350's, or GT500 Mustangs. "We'll be building today's cars...you boys had better learn to deal with that fact." And just to prove it, we let Shelby lead us like sheep to slaughter at a track test setup to preview the new Shelby-version Omni Turbo GLHS.

Using Willow springs International Raceway as their introduction location the Shelby group put the automotive press in a standard 1986 Omni GLH Tubo for a comparison baseline. Content to be impressed with the car's lap times (the current model is not weak-wristed), we took the bait --hook, line, and sinker.

The mile-wide grins dominating the faces of the Shelby PR people should have told us something as they strapped us in the shiny black GLHS. By the end of the pit straight, the gig was up. By the entrance to Turn One, so was our heart rate. Quicker? Quicker doesn't even come close. By Turn Two (a sweeping, slightly uphill right hander), a corner we had been entering flat-out in the standard GLH, we now arrived going so much quicker we had to lift and tap the brakes. Yes folks, this puppy is definitely quicker. Lots quicker.

And it's quicker everywhere! On the straights, in the turns, everywhere. It took us three laps just to catch up to the thing, but by three more we were comfortable and having at it. The car pulls down the straight like a strong V8, and it works in a corner like some of the best set-up, conventional rear-drive performance platforms. If it showed us any weakness, it was the brakes. The darn thing can just plain be driven harder than its brakes can stop it. One of our return trips to the pits was made all the more spectacular by a front-disc brake fire. A point was made in the GLHS's favor, given that the stock pads were brand-new and not properly burnished for this kind of use. But who could resist driving the little monster this hard? Not us.

After the initial shock wore off we started to better appreciate just what a watershed car this is. For starters, it was all the things Shelby had been telling us it could be--a low cost(about $11,000), front-wheel-drive (because that's what Chrysler is manufacturing today), four-cylinder (mileage and economy still call the shots), turbocharged (because some folks still want to enjoy driving a car) little car (because today it's required to make better use of space and materials). In short, it has all the earmarks of a "today" car, not those of the mid-Sixties.

To further prove the point, we pitted the Shelby of "today" against the Shelby of "the good old days." We brought to the test a 1965 Shelby GT350 Mustang. A watershed car in its own time, it would now stand toe-to-toe with the future and slug it out; a no-holds-barred contest for technical supremacy. A fair fight? Not really. By our perspective the GT350 was playing with a stacked deck, but what better way to make Shelby prove his point?

The car we used belongs to Shelby American Automobile Club member Phil Schmit. Schmit's not a rookie to Shelby products. He not only restored his own GT350, but his 427 Cobra as well, both of which he drives in SAAC track events Considered by his fellow club members to be a quick Shelby driver, Schmit was chosen to champion "the good ol' days."

The two cars took to the track looking as mis-matched as David and Goliath. It was a growling V8 against a muffled, straight four--a fat rubbered, rear-drive, 3000-pound musclecar versus a gumballed, front-drive, 2300-pound shoebox. Surely Shelby was starting to sweat. The contest came to speed in a hurry, as the GLHS took off in an effort to stretch an advantage, with the GT350 in hot pursuit. The gap opened to about 10 car lengths, where it remained for three rapid laps. Much to our amazement, the GT350 showed no significant advantage anywhere on the course. It reeled in a few car lengths at the exit of the low-speed corners, but was held at bay down the remaining straights. The GLHS had slightly higher corner entrance speeds and was able to pull out a few lengths in the really tight stuff.

The cornering performance of the GLHS surprised us, and why not? The GT350 Shelby Mustang had won on race courses over the country in the mid-Sixties (we might add, against Corvettes, Cobras, and Jags), yet the way the GLHS held the Mustang off down the long straights really blew our minds. Both cars recorded 125 mph at the exit of the back straight.

Feeling a wealth of confidence, we backed off the throttle in the GLHS, letting it charge about 10 car lengths ahead. With both cars back up to speed, another three-lap ding-dong developed: this time the GLHS closed up. By mid-point of the second lap the GLHS was on the trunk of the GT350. To pass it would serve no point. The cars returned to the pits together. Shelby beamed.

On paper this whipping should not have happened. The GT350--with Schmit's admittedly "smiled on" motor putting out about 350 horsepower, its high-powered cornering ability, its large disk brakes and Detroit locker rear-end--should have put it to the shoebox with shark's teeth.

Bewildered, Schmit, along with the rest of us, put the obvious question to Shelby. How? He calmly explained that it was a matter of "...efficiency. For three years now my guys have been playing with engines. You konw, heads, pistons, turbos, superchargers, the whole range, just looking for ways to make that 2.2-liter engine think it's a 5-liter V8. Turbos, which I've been telling you guys for years, are the only way to go in a small-displacement vehicle." Shelby goes on: "Scott Harvey heads our engineering team, and he's had Neil Hannemann developing the chassis, while the engine team--Jerry Mallicoat and Jim Broske--worked with our electronics engineer, Alex Koral to really make the power we needed. Engine detail changes for the GLHS include an air-to-air intercooler that cools the compressed air by as much as 100 degrees F, allowing more of it to be forced into the combustion chamber. As a result, the turbocharger's boost can be bumped up to 12psi, as compared to the standard GLH's maximum of 9psi. A tuned multi-point fuel-injection manifold, with longer intake runners, help improve the distribution of the fuel/air mixture. All this adds up to a 30-horsepower increase and a broader powerband to 175 ft.-lbs. at 4600 rpm. The durability homework was done by the Powerplant Engineering group and the Special Vehicles team back in Highland Park, Michigan."

Shelby brags that the car was designed as a package. "Steve Hope, who, like Harvey, has been a racer for years, put it all together. Chassis, engine, electronics, everything. To make this little monster effective, as a real world car that a young couple could afford to buy, but would enjoy gettin' out in. Turned out it could blow the doors off cars that cost four or five times as much."

Its quarter-mile times do nothing to discount Shelby's statement. Passes at 14.7 @ 94 mph make the GLHS one of the 10 fastest production turbo cars in the world. Its 0 to 50 time of 4.57 seconds makes it a real stoplight racer and puts nearly every other car in danger of a short-race whipping. On the skidpad, where the car's lateral acceleration is measured, it pulled an amazing .88g. It's a fighter of the pocket-rocket variety, no doubt about it.

As for progress, Shelby's benchmark of 20 years ago ran 15.7 @ 91 mph in the quarter, with 0 to 60 times of 7 seconds (see Motor Trend and Sports Car Graphic, May '65)--in its day a very hot machine. But Shelby is quick to add, "I would have been sorely disappointed if I hadn't been able to build a faster, more efficient car today. It's a sign of the times." Shelby goes on to say, "It's a lot of little car for the money. We're givin' it Koni adjustable gas shocks, our new 15x6 Centurion cast wheels with Goodyear 205/50/15VR Eagle Gatorbacks, a 175-hp turbocharged, intercooled engine, a special gauge group with some real information on it, and rollbar and oil cooler option for the guys who might want to go race the damn thing."

Current production plans call for only 500 of the black demons to be built. Assigned a Shelby serial number, they shouldn't be in the dealer's showroom for long. First production versions are due to roll of the new Shelby Automobile, Inc. assembly lines in mid-March. When pressed about expanding the production numbers, Shelby replied that "If the demand is that great, we'd take a look at it."

Shelby Automobiles, Inc. is going to be a small production car group building specialty cars aimed at a narrow market segment. Shelby's goal is to build cars that will focus on the current tehcnology and take advantage of the engineering breakthroughs that continue to take place. "We'll be able to respond quickly to the latest thinking," says Shelby. "Our group is already developing hardware for the Lancer and Daytona. We've go some slick stuff coming down the pike for you."

Seems the Ol' Master wasn't talking out the side of his mouth these last few years. Shelby has made his point, and he plans to keep on making it. It might not be like the good old days, but it's sure to be as interesting.
 
So, the GLHS was able to be faster than a 20 year old Mustang. Does that mean it "surpassed" it? :confused:

That's like saying that a Tesla Roadster surpasses a Ford GT40 because it performs minimally better...

Oh well, never mind. I guess our definitions of "surpassing a legend" are just different- I'll just say this: Which car is still around today, and has been for almost 50 years?
 
So during those 50 years, mustang has been great each and every year?
The mustang is still around because ford wants it to be. Be it status icon or loyal following, it has little to do with the car being good, let alone great.
No great cars have ever met an untimely demise?
Mkaaaaaayyy.
 
Oh well, never mind. I guess our definitions of "surpassing a legend" are just different- I'll just say this: Which car is still around today, and has been for almost 50 years?

Does all that history make the GT350 faster than the Omni GLH-S?
 
I'm going to take this opportunity to point out that Shelby has made LOTS of cars that are WAY faster than the Mustang and the Omni GLHS...like the Viper...and Shelby Super Snake...so...yeah...This just seems to be a pointless argument. They're both Shelby's they're both awesome, end of story....well...The Omni GLHS has the Shelby name attached to it, at least. Whether Mr. Shelby was involved in making it or not is a completely different story. But...yeah.
 
I think some people read too much into marketing slogans.:lol:

:cheers:

Just what i was thinking..........

Pretty sure Shelby didnt put his name to that car for free either.... reminds me of some of the UK industries efforts in 'glaming' up their, hmm ugly, poor, cheaply made products.

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My favorite............. i mean with hind sight its great to mock..but even when they made the advert they must of known...:lol:

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Pretty sure Shelby didnt put his name to that car for free either

This wasn't like the current Mustangs, where Shelby is payed for the rights to his name. For the GLHS, he set up shop and had the cars modified himself.
 
This wasn't like the current Mustangs, where Shelby is payed for the rights to his name. For the GLHS, he set up shop and had the cars modified himself.

For free?

The car industry is amazing, i mean look at how they made the word 'turbo' sound.
You cant say it without thinking .... 'fast' or 'rocket ship'.... hell even it even makes 'diesel' sound sexy when its in front of it!!

TURBO DIESEL

I digress, back on topic it was a limited edition car aimed at shifting a few more numbers by roping in Shelby, the shape of the car in stock form is no head turner, but like the UK's Maestro it was there and available and why not shift a few of those left over shells by making a limited edition.

Its not a million miles off those cars where they just stick a 'tropical' or 'sunblaze' sticker on the rear give it A/C and call it a limited edition.......

its about selling cars..

i am looking foward to the shelby but i'll never say its a beautiful or head turning car. Its just it looks like a nice retro boxy car.....its no Mustang though..
 
Does all that history make the GT350 faster than the Omni GLH-S?
Of course not, but does beating a 20 year old car make the GLHS fast? Or does it mean it "surpassed" the legend? In my opinion, neither.

I mean, c'mon, it went up against a twenty year old car. Big deal. How many of today's cars would just curb stomp the GLHS, just because it's more than two decades old?
i am looking foward to the shelby but i'll never say its a beautiful or head turning car. Its just it looks like a nice retro boxy car.....its no Mustang though..
Pretty much...
 
No 2012 Boss 302 no care.

Seriously though, there are a few cars in there I want to get my hands on.
 
Of course not, but does beating a 20 year old car make the GLHS fast?

Well, yes. If the GT350 is considered a fast car (and that particular example had been breathed on to make it a better track day car), then yes, that means the Omni is fast.

Or does it mean it "surpassed" the legend? In my opinion, neither.

As you say, that's your opinion, and I respect it. I even share it. As much as I like the GLHS (I came very close to buying one new back in the '80s, but I was in the Air Force and got an assignment to Turkey, so held off on buying a new car), they will never be as beautiful or iconic as the original GT350s.

I mean, c'mon, it went up against a twenty year old car. Big deal. How many of today's cars would just curb stomp the GLHS, just because it's more than two decades old?

There are plenty of modern cars that will "curb stomp" a GLHS, and not just because it's 25 years old. Hopefully you're talking about comparing it to something in it's relative price and performance range like, say, a VW GTi. They're both FWD econoboxes powered by turbo 4s. The VW has 200 hp compared to the Omni's 175. But it also weighs 3034 lbs compared to the Omi's 2300 lbs. Can 25 hp be enough to offset 700 extra pounds? Maybe we should step up to the Golf R? It has 256 hp, but it weighs 3300 lbs. Fully a half ton heavier. It also costs $35K, more than $11K above the GTi's $23,700. Adjusting for inflation, the Omni's $11K sticker works out to $22,700 today. Sadly I don't have either car to put on the track and find out for sure, but I'm convinced a properly maintained and stock Omni GLH-S is just as fast, and perhaps even faster around a race track than a modern VW GTi.

Being older doesn't necessarily make a car inferior. Just older.
 
I'm interested in this pack not just for the Huayra, but the addition of the 2011 #5 Level 5 Motorsports Lola-Honda LMP racer. Quite interesting to see more and more LMP's added. However, I want to see more of the purpose-built sports car racers (GTE Pro/AM, GT1/2, GTS, GT) in there.

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...but I was in the Air Force and got an assignment to Turkey...
Off topic, you've aroused my curiosity. My Dad was assigned there in the 80's, too! I'd ask if you knew him, but that's a conversation reserved for PM's or IM's.
 
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