Juan pablo Montoya

[f1king]

He will win the championship, you heard it here first. 😈

 

[-Fred-]

the guy's got some balls... one of the 2 drivers that don't "fear" MS... i'll let you guess the other one... *hint, 97 champion*

If not champ this year, Montoya will be next year...

 

[GilesGuthrie]

Originally posted by f1king
He will win the championship, you heard it here first. 😈

Are you saying he will win it in 2002?

 

[GilesGuthrie]

Originally posted by PunkRock
the guy's got some balls... one of the 2 drivers that don't "fear" MS... i'll let you guess the other one... *hint, 97 champion*

If not champ this year, Montoya will be next year...

Hmm, and Mr Single Digit isn't frightened to bang wheels with Mickey when the occasion calls for it.

 

[Dudley]

Yes, you're definetly the first place to hear it from. No-one said anything when he tested for them in 1998

Or dominated in f3000

They all thought he was an idiot.

How lucky we are to have you...

--

Anyway, Who said anyone was afraid of MS?

GG - As will Ralf and indeed MH, and no doubt KR and in fact anyone that's anywhere near him and doesn't have a Ferrari engine in the back

 

[GilesGuthrie]

Ooh, we are in a sarcasatic mood today!

 

[Pupik]

Sarcastic? Nah, he's still trying to convince me that Jordan won every race in 1991.

Montoya may finish 2nd in the championship at best, unless Schumi the Elder brakes too late for Copse corner again.

 

[KevinPSX]

Sorry, but even with an improved Williams JPM won't touch MS. It might be closer than last year, but Ferrari are too good.

 

[GilesGuthrie]

Originally posted by pupik
Sarcastic? Nah, he's still trying to convince me that Jordan won every race in 1991.

Montoya may finish 2nd in the championship at best, unless Schumi the Elder brakes too late for Copse corner again.

Pedant's Corner (no pun intended!):

It was Stowe, down at the end of the Hangar Straight.

 

[GilesGuthrie]

Originally posted by KevinPSX
Sorry, but even with an improved Williams JPM won't touch MS. It might be closer than last year, but Ferrari are too good.

Well yes, and Williams lost Geoff Willis to BAR, which will have hurt them in the aerodynamics department.

You do, however, have to remember that Michelin now have a year's worth of data, so there's no telling what they'll get up to...

 

[Dudley]

Yeah, definetly stowe.

And I'm always in a sarcastic mood when it's deserved

 

[Pupik]

Crap, the BRDC mangled Silverstone so many times I can't remember the corner names anymore.

It was Stowe.

Copse is the first right-hander after the pit straight...then Maggots...Becketts corner...Hangar straight...Stowe...Club...Abbey...Woodcote chicane...ah, just like 1990 again.

Don't ask me to put Vail and Priory in the right places.

 

[GilesGuthrie]

Close Pupik...

Starting at the start, which is the straight at the upper right going top left to bottom right:
Copse
Maggotts
Beckets
Hangar Straight
Stowe
Vale
Club
Abbey
Bridge
Brooklands
Priory
Luffield 1
Luffield 2 (these are pretty much one corner now)
Woodcote.

 

[KevinPSX]

Yeah, Silverstone's been horribly butchered.

 

[f1king]

Im not trying to start a war here with all you MS fans, but the only reason MS is where he is today is because when the god of F1 died (SENNA) there wasnt anyone to fight for the title except little sissy DH, and when SM got a taste of Villenuve he couldnt handle it JV came in and took him out, I guess he felt sorry for MS or he was just drunk when he signed with BAR, next hakkinen took MS to school, any how im trying to say that MS isnt that great he is a good driver a hard worker but if things where alittle dif.. he wouldnt stand a chance thats my opinion, go ahead give it to me. I know im gonna get a backlash for this one but like i said he is lucky more than good, look how he was worked in Brazil. :sonar:

 

[GilesGuthrie]

Well your argument doesn't really hold water, since at the time Ayrton Senna's career ended, he was 30 points to 0 down...

If you think JV must have been drunk to sign for BAR when he had a Williams seat (and I kind of agree with you), what must MS have been to sign for Ferrari in 1995?

Oh, and I think JV would have seen Williams' 1998 season coming, so if he didn't want to sit with them for three years while they rebuilt, he might as well have gone to BAR where he would have got more money for less work and with less pressure.

But back to the point: in 1994, Michael Schumacher would have won the title whatever. The simple fact is that for the last 8 years, the world championship has been a straight fight between Adrian Newey and Michael Schumacher, which is interesting in itself.

But don't kid yourself f1king, Senna was beaten and he knew it. Why else would he spin off due to simple overthrottling at his home race in that year?

 

[GilesGuthrie]

I agree with you about DH being a sissy though! Have you seen his hair recently? GROW OLD GRACEFULLY!!!!!

 

[Dudley]

Don't think of the "but MS still only won by a point" bit. The FIA very clearly tried to rig 1994 to keep it close but imposing joke penalties on the Benetton team.

And that 30-0 down isn't even mechanically related. (depending of course on your personal theory of Imola)

Senna on taking himself out in Brazil

"It was a good race. Fast and very, very quick. I had no major problems with the car just a few litle things which are basically normal, and we couldn't get our car to handle as well as we wanted for this circuit. Michael was a little bit quicker than us and only at the end was I able to push a little bit more and go with him. I was driving right on my limit, and then I was caught out at the exit of a third gear corner into the main straight. The rear went around, I spun and then I tried to re-start I stalled the engine. There was nothing wrong with the car it was my own mistake as I was pushing a bit too hard. "

And on his exit from Aida
"It was a normal start, but I didn't get a brilliant one. I had too much wheelspin so Michael took the lead. On the first corner we were close together and it was possible to try an overtaking manoeuvre, but that would be very risky, so I decided to stay second and be safe. Then when I was into the corner Mika came from behind, hit me and I was out. As a consequence other cars spun and then Larini came and hit me. I was out of the race. "

 

[Pupik]

Originally posted by Dudley
Don't think of the "but MS still only won by a point" bit. The FIA very clearly tried to rig 1994 to keep it close buy imposing joke penalties on the Benetton team. And that 30-0 down isn't even mechanically related. (depending of course on your personal theory of Imola)

Um, I still have the feeling the French-based FIA had no love for a German-born driver to win their championship for the first time. Old war wounds still smart sometimes?

[can of worms]
As to the Senna accident, there is no way Senna hit the wall at Tamburello by driver error. Not anymore than Berger did in 1989.
[/can of worms]

 

[f1king]

2002 Champ JPM!!!!!!!!

 

[-Fred-]

Originally posted by GilesGuthrie

But back to the point: in 1994, Michael Schumacher would have won the title whatever. The simple fact is that for the last 8 years, the world championship has been a straight fight between Adrian Newey and Michael Schumacher, which is interesting in itself.

But don't kid yourself f1king, Senna was beaten and he knew it. Why else would he spin off due to simple overthrottling at his home race in that year?

yes, but the Williams was a far superior car... I'm sure Senna would have fought back... but hiring Coulthard was the worst mistake Williams could have done... They had 2 sucky drivers... Hill managed to end up second, but i'm sure the result would have been different if Senna lived. Why? Moral. the whole Williams team was down after the accident, and it took them a few races to get everything back up again... Maybe Senna woulnd't have won the title, but at least he would still be part of the team.

and Schumacher's higly overrated, as are all the drivers in the field these days.

 

[Dudley]

But both his retirements in the first 2 races were certinally a sign of "rattled-ness"

 

[f1king]

I must agree with you on MS WAY OVERrated, and if senna lived it would have been the greatest comeback in f1 history, because he would have been down 30pts and he would have come back, and beat the little shoe, his brother Ralf has more balls. And as far as Senna fans go we dont have to defened him, his record speaks for its self, and his beaten some of the best at there prime. :sonar:

 

[KevinPSX]

Yeah, a guy wins four championships, so he can't be too good.

Granted, I don't think you could say that JV and Mika compare to Mansell and Prost, but Michael Schumacher is one of the best. You can't win 4 championships (and maybe more) without being very good.

 

[-Fred-]

Originally posted by KevinPSX
Yeah, a guy wins four championships, so he can't be too good.

Granted, I don't think you could say that JV and Mika compare to Mansell and Prost, but Michael Schumacher is one of the best. You can't win 4 championships (and maybe more) without being very good.

Sorry, but a guy like Prost earns my respect more than Schumacher... the drivers today are helped much more by electronics than they were 10 or 15 years ago... They have electronic everything, automatic gearboxes, power steering, etc... The guys have a lot less to do than before... sure, they are good, but Schumacher doesn't compare to Prost, Mansell, Pironi, Fangio, Hill and the others... These guys were driving, they had to shift the H gate around Monaco, without power steering, ABS, or traction control... Schumacher is the best "modern" racer, there's no denying, but, IMO, he's in a different class from the legends that are Clark, Hulme, Prost, Villeneuve (Gilles, of course!) and the likes...

there's also no denying the Ferrari's the current best car, but put all the 22 drivers in cars that are equal, and i think we could have some surprises... just a thought though.

 

[KevinPSX]

So it's Schumi's fault that he wasn't born sooner?

That's very unfair.

I maintain that any truly great driver would be great in any era.

 

[-Fred-]

Originally posted by KevinPSX
So it's Schumi's fault that he wasn't born sooner?

That's very unfair.

I maintain that any truly great driver would be great in any era.

in any era? i'd like to see him in a 60's F!, or a Turbo Era one... he's the greatest of this era, but he falls short of the others, IMO...

 

[KevinPSX]

How can we know that? He'd have been brought up driving those cars. He'd have honed his skills in that style of racing car.

 

[f1king]

His a good driver thats it, no raw talent, he is not great, and speaking of JV put him in car equal to MS and MS wouldnt have a chance!!! Same goes with MH. Schue Overrated I love that phrase. resent:

He's first two championships where because there was absoulutly no one with equal or better machinery, DH was just a little girl, and DC i wont even go into that he's a waist of time.

And you can win 4 championships and still be a lucky SOB. Look at prost. Alesi should have been a great driver and look at his luck. I'd have him on my team anyday over schue.

 

[-Fred-]

Originally posted by KevinPSX
How can we know that? He'd have been brought up driving those cars. He'd have honed his skills in that style of racing car.

okay... sorry for being harsh, but i don't like Schuey... i can't stand him... i'd rather cheer for Minardi than for Ferrari...i never liked the guy... and i never will. I don't know why, might be because of the tactics he used in the past (Adelaide 94, he slammed back in front of Hill to end up the race for both, knowing he would be champ, and in 97 at Jerez, when he slammed into Villeneuve, only to get caught at his own game...) these are 2 of those moves he's done, and i really dont like his attitude... he always seem to think he's the best, and he seems to think he's more important... a lot of people think that way too, Jean Todt for starters, and he demonstrated that in Austria, when he had to lift off and let Michael "God" Schumacher in front for some stupid points he didn't even need, because Coulthard jinxed his championship himself...

fact is, i reckon he's great, but i still can't stand him, and i probably never will... and Ralf seems to be going that way too... Hopefully Frank (Williams) will have his word...