Kart TT-top 3 cheating?

[SoTD]

Best time is 30,xxx now. Watched the replay..it's like there flying around the track.

 

[CyKosis1973]

I think some of you should try adding 5-10kg to the front of your karts and seeing what happens. I've gone from barely making the Gold time (I'm not a fast driver my any means), 0:38.4 to a 0:35.527.

I've done no more than 10 laps with ballast, but miraculously I've managed to find 3 seconds from somewhere.

I'd like to see the guy who is currently in 3rd run with an extra bit of weight up front. I'm sure he'd find an extra second. Somebody in this thread claimed to know them. If you do, why not get in touch and ask..??

{Cy}

 

[Nismo34]

I think some of you should try adding 5-10kg to the front of your karts and seeing what happens. I've gone from barely making the Gold time (I'm not a fast driver my any means), 0:38.4 to a 0:35.527.

I've done no more than 10 laps with ballast, but miraculously I've managed to find 3 seconds from somewhere.

I'd like to see the guy who is currently in 3rd run with an extra bit of weight up front. I'm sure he'd find an extra second. Somebody in this thread claimed to know them. If you do, why not get in touch and ask..??

{Cy}

I'll ask him in the morning; I'll see if he'd tell me his gear ratio and ballast setup as in how much and where.

I too tested the ballast except I had it at the back for faster cornering. I was able to hold the long curve flat chat and hold my line where as before I was having to back off... Although unable to get a clean lap in (was just a 5 minute little test so wasnt there for all that long) I could defiantly tell there was an improvement to the way it handled...

 

[CyKosis1973]

Nice one Nismo, I'd be interest to know. I put the ballast at the front to kill the oversteer and keep the weight over the front wheels. I can't see any other way the top two could have done it, other than gearing...

{Cy}

 

[Katiegan]

If you watch the replay and look at the laps, it says lap 4 for the top ranker. I'd say if he managed to pull a time like that on lap 4 then it's not down to warm tyres. I've watched the replay a few times, used camera mode to zoom in on the kart and I'd say he's altered the suspension for the track. The front two wheels defintiely have negative camber on. To me it just seems like he's a good tuner who knows what he's doing, and he's tuned the kart to pull 30s on that track.

 

[Nismo34]

If you watch the replay and look at the laps, it says lap 4 for the top ranker. I'd say if he managed to pull a time like that on lap 4 then it's not down to warm tyres. I've watched the replay a few times, used camera mode to zoom in on the kart and I'd say he's altered the suspension for the track. The front two wheels defintiely have negative camber on. To me it just seems like he's a good tuner who knows what he's doing, and he's tuned the kart to pull 30s on that track.

Logical... If you could actually tune the Kart...

 

[Schwartz]

I don't think you can call cheat without there being something glaringly obvious. Watching the top three, the biggest difference that I can see is that the top 2 hardly use any braking, whereas the 3rd place guy does. Secondly, you can hear that the gearing is different. I suspect they've set their gearbox up so as to improve turn in when lifting off.

I'm no master gearbox fiddler, but I know that you can affect how a vehicle handles by adjusting your ratios and final drive...

{Cy}

Racing Karts have one gear, sir.

 

[Katiegan]

Logical... If you could actually tune the Kart...

....>.>
<.<

I think that goes to show how much I know about tuning in GT5.

#epicfailiure.

So... that means he's cheated or I have funny eyes and the kart doesn't have camber.

 

[Rollerhead]

I see that the discussion here is all about cheating or not. There is only one post here that is on top of the idea to discuss something no one here has tried (except me). I have also seen the replay, and I have noticed that his cart behaves differently than mine, so I have tested something that is accessible to all and after only a few minutes I can now state that my cart behaves like this too. But despite this, he has done a very good job of learning this new way of driving.

In other words, I mean that no one are cheating here!

 

[StevenDunn99]

I'll ask him in the morning; I'll see if he'd tell me his gear ratio and ballast setup as in how much and where.

I too tested the ballast except I had it at the back for faster cornering. I was able to hold the long curve flat chat and hold my line where as before I was having to back off... Although unable to get a clean lap in (was just a 5 minute little test so wasnt there for all that long) I could defiantly tell there was an improvement to the way it handled...

I concur, I added 5kg ballast to the rear and that made a positive difference and gained me a second over my previous best with the same setup. I am now playing with the transmission; ie changing the 1st gear ratio and the final drive. At the moment I am getting with mixed results, but then that might be my lack of consistency.

My aims though are somewhat more modest, I am currently in the 33s, using a DS3 and a 22hp kart. I do not usually enjoy TTs but this is fun.

 

[PR1VATEJ0KER]

Its possible to go quite fast with ballast, but I'm quite sure any ballast will slow you down even if it makes it easier to handle.
I got a 33.9 with 80kg of ballast.
I tried moving it around, I tried less all the way down to 2 kg. Couldnt go faster

 

[Energizerrr]

Add ballast to -50 position.
I added only 2kg and I didn't have to brake at all.

But I have to agree, top 2 🤬 are glitching.
No way, no possible way can anyone go 2 seconds faster then the next best guy on a 700m track, that just doesn't happen.

 

[Tidgney]

Add ballast to -50 position.
I added only 2kg and I didn't have to brake at all.

But I have to agree, top 2 🤬 are glitching.
No way, no possible way can anyone go 2 seconds faster then the next best guy on a 700m track, that just doesn't happen.

Pretty sure its SRF glitched on

 

[Doodle]

Someone should try to take the 125kart and go around the Kart Space I, and just see if they could get an 30.*** lap time.

I tried driving a 125 Kart the other day and the best i could do was a 32.0xx

 

[Sluffer]

I concur, I added 5kg ballast to the rear and that made a positive difference and gained me a second over my previous best with the same setup. I am now playing with the transmission; ie changing the 1st gear ratio and the final drive. At the moment I am getting with mixed results, but then that might be my lack of consistency.

My aims though are somewhat more modest, I am currently in the 33s, using a DS3 and a 22hp kart. I do not usually enjoy TTs but this is fun.

I added 5kg of ballast to mine, but didn't put it right to the rear, and found .900 of a second, I'm no where near in the same league as you guy's with my driving ability though, as my fastest is in the 35's lol.

 

[CyKosis1973]

Racing Karts have one gear, sir.

I'm perfectly aware of that. There are three elements to that single gear, all of which will have an impact on the vehicles performance, however marginal...

{Cy}

 

[Monosukoi]

I see that the discussion here is all about cheating or not. There is only one post here that is on top of the idea to discuss something no one here has tried (except me). I have also seen the replay, and I have noticed that his cart behaves differently than mine, so I have tested something that is accessible to all and after only a few minutes I can now state that my cart behaves like this too. But despite this, he has done a very good job of learning this new way of driving.

In other words, I mean that no one are cheating here!

Oh yes that's right absolutely nobody on GT Planet thought of using ballast, nobody!

They're cheating. I've asked people who are quicker than me (I have a 32.747 at the moment, about 50th overall) if they're using ballast, all of them have said they are not using ballast.

Edit : I'm sorry if I sound like I'm being an ass there, I'm not trying to be, but suggesting that other people haven't tried a variety of different things is naive.

 

[Nismo34]

They're cheating. I've asked people who are quicker than me (I have a 32.747 at the moment, about 50th overall) if they're using ballast, all of them have said they are not using ballast.

So because everyone ahead of you isnt using ballast, they are cheating? Have you asked if they are cheating? Do you have proof they are cheating or are you just not happy sitting at 50, you wanna be top dog, so you're making excuses to make yourself feel good?

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I find it interesting that most everyone thinks these guys are cheating but none of you geniuses have figured out how. Surely someone should be able to figure it out by now. You can't tell me that they are the only ones that play this game that have figured something out. Alot of assumptions that they're cheating, but no solid proof. I could care less really as I don't run carts, just curious what becomes of this, if someone comes up with concrete evidence that they are in fact cheating and how. Remember, innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Monosukoi]

So because everyone ahead of you isnt using ballast, they are cheating?

No I just find it incredibly unlikely that absolutely everyone else in close proximity to the top two (or 3?) guys hasn't found a way to achieve that time if the times are legitimate. Don't you find that odd? That, here are 2/3 guys sitting at the top, and everyone below hasn't found a legitimate way to match those times?

If the top 2/3 are indeed using ballast, or a particular gear ratio, or some other legitimate way to get that kind of time, do you really think they are the only 2/3 people in the world to have done the TT and found those settings?

Have you asked if they are cheating?

Asked who, sorry? I don't understand who you mean by 'they', please clarify?

Do you have proof they are cheating or are you just not happy sitting at 50, you wanna be top dog, so you're making excuses to make yourself feel good?

Please let's not turn this into some petty argument, okay? So please don't try lame insults again.

Of course I'm competitive and I would love to improve my time. I'm not making excuses. If I was 4th in the world, you might have a point. But I'm not even that quick. For me I'm pretty happy with where I am now but of course I would like to be quicker. I just don't like knowing that there are some really damned fast people who - in my opinion, and only my opinion - are being dumped down the boards because of what looks like to me a case of cheating.

I find it interesting that most everyone thinks these guys are cheating but none of you geniuses have figured out how. Surely someone should be able to figure it out by now. You can't tell me that they are the only ones that play this game that have figured something out. Alot of assumptions that they're cheating, but no solid proof. I could care less really as I don't run carts, just curious what becomes of this, if someone comes up with concrete evidence that they are in fact cheating and how. Remember, innocent until proven guilty.

That's a fair point but like I just mentioned earlier in this post, on the same token, if they're not cheating, don't you think somebody would've found a way to copy the lap?

Everyone who doubts they are cheating is right. I have no proof - just that once again, put into context, they are 6% faster than anyone else, which is the same as being 7s faster at the other TT on the Nurburgring GP/D with the Schulze.

 

[Nismo34]

No I just find it incredibly unlikely that absolutely everyone else in close proximity to the top two (or 3?) guys hasn't found a way to achieve that time if the times are legitimate. Don't you find that odd? That, here are 2/3 guys sitting at the top, and everyone below hasn't found a legitimate way to match those times?

If the top 2/3 are indeed using ballast, or a particular gear ratio, or some other legitimate way to get that kind of time, do you really think they are the only 2/3 people in the world to have done the TT and found those settings?.

Do you think they are the only 2 people to know how to cheat to get such a lap time?

Asked who, sorry? I don't understand who you mean by 'they', please clarify?.

All the people you asked about using ballast. You said you asked everyone above you if they were using ballast, they all said no so you claimed they must be cheating. "They" were who I was referring to.

Please let's not turn this into some petty argument, okay? So please don't try lame insults again.
Of course I'm competitive and I would love to improve my time. I'm not making excuses. If I was 4th in the world, you might have a point. But I'm not even that quick. For me I'm pretty happy with where I am now but of course I would like to be quicker. I just don't like knowing that there are some really damned fast people who - in my opinion, and only my opinion - are being dumped down the boards because of what looks like to me a case of cheating.

Well you managed to accuse ~50 people of cheating as seen in the excerpt below... Seems like an excuse to me...

They're cheating. I've asked people who are quicker than me (I have a 32.747 at the moment, about 50th overall) if they're using ballast, all of them have said they are not using ballast.

 

[Monosukoi]

No no, you've misunderstood. I didn't mean that I asked 50 people, they said they weren't using ballast, so I accused them of cheating. No that's not what I meant. I'm not accusing 57 people ahead of me of cheating, good God no

What I meant was I asked a couple of people on my friends list who are quicker than me if they were using ballast. They said no, so I'm currently under the impression that ballast does not improve your time substantially. That impression could be wrong, of course, but I just thought it was worth saying, that's all. 👍

I'm just trying to find an explanation to whether the time is legitimate or otherwise.

 

[Obsidian-2]

I find it interesting that most everyone thinks these guys are cheating but none of you geniuses have figured out how. Surely someone should be able to figure it out by now. You can't tell me that they are the only ones that play this game that have figured something out. Alot of assumptions that they're cheating, but no solid proof. I could care less really as I don't run carts, just curious what becomes of this, if someone comes up with concrete evidence that they are in fact cheating and how. Remember, innocent until proven guilty.

+1. Seven million copies sold, only 2 people know of the so called cheat.

 

[Monosukoi]

+1. Seven million copies sold, only 2 people know of the so called cheat.

Seven million copies sold, only 2 people know how to drive 2s a lap faster than the other 6,999,998.

We could go on like this in circles forever

It's just my opinion, don't please, anybody, get worked up about it. It's just my opinion. If the TT ends and the times are valid by PD, then fine!

 

[Nismo34]

Ok, well next time try and clarify what you post as it really did seem like you accused 57 people of cheating...

3rd place person has been messaged... Now just to await the reply...

Number 1 time is now at 29.XXX....

 

[BanditKarter22]

i am now 5th overall just 0.019 behind the japanese guy in 4th, i have tried using different amounts of ballast in different positions on the kart and none of it worked, i spent 170+ laps trying to improve my time and got a 32.276. if 3rd place is legal then i would love to see what settings he has as he is 0.45 ahead of us which is again a fairly large gap

 

[PR1VATEJ0KER]

+1. Seven million copies sold, only 2 people know of the so called cheat.

So thats a 1 in 3.5 million chance of knowing ? assuming you purchased the game.

Seven million copies sold, only 2 people know how to drive 2s a lap faster than the other 6,999,998.

We could go on like this in circles forever

LOL, loving this thread

i am now 5th overall just 0.019 behind the japanese guy in 4th, i have tried using different amounts of ballast in different positions on the kart and none of it worked, i spent 170+ laps trying to improve my time and got a 32.276. if 3rd place is legal then i would love to see what settings he has as he is 0.45 ahead of us which is again a fairly large gap

Hey Bandit, superb lap!! I'm also highly suspect of 3rd place
But they may not be cheating, it could be an innocent glitch
Either way they have a clear advantage.

 

[BanditKarter22]

3rd place isn't as obvious though, the main part of the lap where he gains time is when he goes an extra mph faster round the long left and then carries an extra 4mph into the penultimate corner compared to me

 

[KosmicKart42]

ya ballast doesn't help guys...i was running 33.3 with about 5kg. I took it off and ran a 32.9, then i got a 32.7, but of course coming out of the last turn i touched the curb a little and my time went red. The gear is were speed is being found

 

[Nismo34]

ya ballast doesn't help guys...i was running 33.3 with about 5kg. I took it off and ran a 32.9, then i got a 32.7, but of course coming out of the last turn i touched the curb a little and my time went red. The gear is were speed is being found

Depends on the way you drive. Ballast doesnt work for you, it may work for somone else, not everyone has the same preference..