Kart TT-top 3 cheating?

[Tidgney]

even in practice SRF is forced off...

You miss the point, Even though Automatic is said to be on... Manual is still showing for some.... This 'glitch' could also be something similar with SRF.

 

[weirdkerr]

is there a way to look at either their setups or telemetry?

 

[BanditKarter22]

I just want to know for my own purposes, to see if there is any hope of myself going under 33s.

the difference between a 'run in' kart and a brand new kart is only about 4-5 tenths on this track, for the gearing i set the max speed to 68 then change the first gear up to 1.285

 

[BanditKarter22]

also another point about the racing slick tyres, i tried running with them in practice on my racing kart 125 SPL but this didn't significantly improve my time? only about 2 tenths

 

[Doodle]

my old kart had 36hp before the 2.0 update

 

[parabulla]

is there a way to look at either their setups or telemetry?

The only tool we have at our disposal besides watching the replay is the Data Logger feature.

There's only one thing I noticed that stands out to me through all of this. Their ability to accelerate and maintain directional control with the front tires completely in the red. Haven't seen it or experienced it at all in regular gameplay myself.

I think they've found a loophole, glitch, or other exploit. I don't see the kart's performance as being representative of tuning accessible to the rest of us.

 

[GTP_Monkey]

Some sore loosers on here.

 

[Rit]

I would suggest a urine sample is in order for the medal contenders!...💡

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Some sore loosers on here.

Not a sore loser here so watch what you say. Like I said before, I could give a f less about this cart seasonal as I am not entered in it nor will I enter it. Carts are just not my thing. I investigated and came up with what I think is going on because so many people were saying these guys were cheating but coming up with nothing as to how they were supposedly cheating. So, I just went and did what they should have done in the first place. Furthermore, if you were entered into a competition and one or two people seemed to have a clear advantage, I'm sure you would want to know whats going on too, and, if you say you wouldn't, well your a liar then. It's human nature. So, before you go making off the wall comments like that, think before you speak.

 

[StevenDunn99]

the difference between a 'run in' kart and a brand new kart is only about 4-5 tenths on this track, for the gearing i set the max speed to 68 then change the first gear up to 1.285

Thanks. Bob got the Kart to 24hp and I saved about .35s before calling it a day, I am now in the low 33s. Similar setup to yourself ie 68max and changing first gear plus adding 2kg to the rear (which helps me). Also tried changing the final gear with a max of 62 but the differences now seem minimal whatever I try.

I cannot see myself getting under 33s but will try again after the xmas holidays if I get time. Kudos to your efforts.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Some sore loosers on here.

If you are going to make statements like that, then at least spell loser right .


Anyway I have yet to run this event but obviously the current top two have found some sweet spot in the physics engine. Will see if I can try and find out what they are doing when I run this time trial. Could be something simple.

 

[redreevos]

Some sore loosers on here.

👎

Great contribution to the thread.

I haven't had much time on this, and seem to be just as fast with the DS3 as the wheel. Which is really unusual for me.

This is a strange TT to begin with considering there is a 15% disparity in power between the karts people are running. There also seems to be some glitchiness in what people are shown to be running.

I do respect many of the people in here that have run this many times, and think something is a little bit fishy. And, I really don't understand the trolls just jumping in on the conversation, with no knowledge of what they are talking about. I do appreciate both sides of the conversation, from people that have actually ran this combo a lot, and have reviewed the leaders replays.

Unfortunately, I have a feeling we will never know the cause of the disparity in times.

ps - I tried an old psn GT5 account with a 33 hp kart. As others have said, when entering the event (or any event for that matter), the kart reverts to 21hp. I did not find a way to gain any advantage with the old kart.

 

[-raVer-]

@ redreevos

Are you in the cart in the old save or did you jump in the cart after save copy ?



raVer

 

[redreevos]

@ redreevos

Are you in the cart in the old save or did you jump in the cart after save copy ?



raVer

Tried both. Loaded up the old account. Saw the kart was at 33hp. Entered the event with it. 21hp immediately once arriving to the event.

Re-loaded the old save, to see if I could find any other methods with the 33hp kart. Tried going directly into settings.. loading into a different event.. etc. I didn't see any trick. Not saying it isn't there. I just couldn't seem to find one.

 

[-raVer-]

How did you see it had 21 bhp after entering the event without going in the settings menu ?

If you go in the settings menu it will revert the bhp.



raVer

 

[redreevos]

How did you see it had 21 bhp after entering the event without going in the settings menu ?

If you go in the settings menu it will revert the bhp.



raVer

So you think, when I arrived at the event, I had the 33hp kart? But when I went to settings to check it, I forced it to 21. Hmm, interesting. I won't be able to get on for a while to check this. Maybe someone else can try?

Edit- Of course.. the more I think about it... People on this forum seemed to notice that the top times seemed to have better cornering speed. Almost implying that possibly the leaders "unlocked" the extra hp and then altered the ballast to optimal conditions. If one can't access the settings menu with the bonus hp, then how do they have the better cornering speeds. Maybe they are a bit "alien," or are we missing something still.

 

[-raVer-]

So you think, when I arrived at the event, I had the 33hp kart? But when I went to settings to check it, I forced it to 21. Hmm, interesting. I won't be able to get on for a while to check this. Maybe someone else can try?

Yep , without going to the settings menu it could work with the 33 bhp.

The only problem is , you need to apply the settings you want with the old version of the game.
I guess with the stock 33bhp setting you could reach the 30 seconds too.


raVer

 

[redreevos]

Yep , without going to the settings menu it could work with the 33 bhp.

The only problem is , you need to apply the settings you want with the old version of the game.
I guess with the stock 33bhp setting you could reach the 30 seconds too.


raVer

Ah, I see, as in these guys could have added the ballast during the "old" version of GT5. Loaded the kart into the current event, had the extra hp, and still had the ballast from before. Crazy line of events.. But considering there are only a couple of these guys that seem to have the "advantage," its possible.

 

[playnthru]

I'm not buying this settings menu 33hp nonsense.. If the Kart is switched into the Hp drops..It has nothing to do with the "settings" menu.. I still have a few 33hp Kart 100 in my garage..Once I hit "change car' the Hp drops to 21.. Then once fully broken in and rebuilt 24hp..

Thanks,playnthru

 

[-raVer-]

Ah, I see, as in these guys could have added the ballast during the "old" version of GT5. Loaded the kart into the current event, had the extra hp, and still had the ballast from before. Crazy line of events.. But considering there are only a couple of these guys that seem to have the "advantage," its possible.

You can revert to the old version too.
Delete the installed game like the spongers do (borrow glitch) , start a new game , get LV 1 and buy a cart and get in.
Apply the settings you want and update the game.

Enter the TT , done.

Edit:

Backup the save before updating , the update may update the save too.


raVer

 

[redreevos]

I'm not buying this settings menu 33hp nonsense.. If the Kart is switched into the Hp drops..It has nothing to do with the "settings" menu.. I still have a few 33hp Kart 100 in my garage..Once I hit "change car' the Hp drops to 21.. Then once fully broken in and rebuilt 24hp..

Thanks,playnthru

I know we are reaching here.. but just trying to figure out if something is there. "Nonsense".. a bit strong.

Another "what if"... If you had the old version of the kart, and it was already the last vehicle you were in, I wonder if it would automatically revert you to 21hp when the game loads.

As you are probably stating above, Raver. You would have to set this up on an non-updated copy of GT5. Is this possible, by deleting the current game from the ps3, and starting the game without updating?(no way I am going to do this, though)

 

[-raVer-]

This would be cheating , if this works with the older version.

That´s why the save games are normally copy protected.



raVer

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Has anyone actually compared lap times, old cart versus new cart. Even tho the settings say they revert back, maybe the actual physics of the old cart don't revert back. Just a thought. I can't drive these damn things otherwise I would test it out. Also noticed some of the replays say automatic while others say manual. I thought that was locked and couldn't be changed. I don't care what anyone says, I am convinced that the old carts have something to do with the top times. I don't see anyone else coming up with anything except calling what I came up with rubbish, you know who you are. Instead of crying about the fact that you think they are cheating, get off your ass and figure out how then. I did the best I could and I'm not even in this event. I just believe in fairness and clearly, its not happening in this event.

 

[Dave_Panic]

I believe you're wasting your time investigating the 33hp thing. I think the game used to calculate the hp of the cars slightly differently than it does now. The old hp data is displayed but as soon as you try to change the settings or get in the car the hp is recalculated and comes out less.

I have had this happen to many cars that I've not used until recently.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I believe you're wasting your time investigating the 33hp thing. I think the game used to calculate the hp of the cars slightly differently than it does now. The old hp data is displayed but as soon as you try to change the settings or get in the car the hp is recalculated and comes out less.

I have had this happen to many cars that I've not used until recently.

Did you not understand a damn thing I said. I know it reverts back. I said that maybe THE PHYSICS of the 33hp are still there. Weirder things than that have happened with this game. But your right, I'm not gonna worry about it anymore. I'll just let the crybabies continue to cry about how the top 2 are cheating but fail to try to prove anything. I spent 7 hours last night trying to figure this out for the people crying cheat since they are too lazy to try to prove anything. I don't give a rats ass one way or the other, I was just trying to help. Well, I'm not wasting anymore of my time on this, I'm done. See ya.

 

[parabulla]

@ the bush brother rant.

 

[-raVer-]

I believe you're wasting your time investigating the 33hp thing. I think the game used to calculate the hp of the cars slightly differently than it does now. The old hp data is displayed but as soon as you try to change the settings or get in the car the hp is recalculated and comes out less.

I have had this happen to many cars that I've not used until recently.

We already know , if you are going to the settings menu , the power reverts back and that´s the reason why you shouldn´t go in the settings menu.



raVer

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

@ the bush brother rant.

Who's ranting bro? I was trying to help people here to try and figure out if these guys are cheating or not, which is alot more than your doing making stupid and useless posts like this. Furthermore, not a Bush brother, just a fan.

 

[redreevos]

Did you not understand a damn thing I said. I know it reverts back. I said that maybe THE PHYSICS of the 33hp are still there. Weirder things than that have happened with this game. But your right, I'm not gonna worry about it anymore. I'll just let the crybabies continue to cry about how the top 2 are cheating but fail to try to prove anything. I spent 7 hours last night trying to figure this out for the people crying cheat since they are too lazy to try to prove anything. I don't give a rats ass one way or the other, I was just trying to help. Well, I'm not wasting anymore of my time on this, I'm done. See ya.

Hmmm.. a bit less than friendly. Called a good portion in here crybabies, and told one person that they didn't "understand a damn thing you said." Quite an agressive rant.

Nothing solved or learned form this. Why you spent 7 hours trying to figure this out for the "people crying," when you "don't care," is a bit dumbfounding.

We are all a little disappointed that we can't figure this out, but I don't think it is worth name calling, etc.

Merry Christmas

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Hmmm.. a bit less than friendly. Called a good portion in here crybabies, and told one person that they didn't "understand a damn thing you said." Quite an agressive rant.

Nothing solved or learned form this. Why you spent 7 hours trying to figure this out for the "people crying," when you "don't care," is a bit dumbfounding.

We are all a little disappointed that we can't figure this out, but I don't think it is worth name calling, etc.

Merry Christmas

Are you serious, I did it to try to help, thats why. Then I get these unappreciated people telling me my idea is crap and so on so yea, I'm going to be miffed. I don't see anyone else tring to figure it out. Instead they just want to cry about it and make aquisations. Haven't you heard of someone just wanting to be helpful. Thats all I was doing. And yes, if people are gonna cry and complain about the alledged cheating, then they CAN be labeled as cry babies. Anyways, far be it for me to try to be helpful anymore if I have to deal with ungrateful people.

EDIT: And speaking of name calling, you don't have much room to talk. Calling people trolls and saying they don't know what they are talking about.