Kart TT-top 3 cheating?

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eNJS
It's just my opinion, don't
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it's slander and an accusation without a shred of proof. until you have such proof i suggest you keep trying to improve your times. by your accounts there are at least another 47 "legit" times to beat
 
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When I see the likes of DHolland / Eclipsee being 2 secs behind I'll believe the possibility of a cheat. Not saying there isnt or that there is but it really is hard to believe, being a total outsider to this, that they would have srf on or something similarly rediculous being going on.

Sorry, don't mean any disrespect to anyone. Just as said, sounds unbelievable. Still possible I do understand.
 
ballast doesn't work on a track like this, it just reduces the karts performance and acceleration, i have tried going into all of the corners in a different way using the ballast but it was not succesful so i don't think this is how they found such a large advantage
 
Obsidian-2
+1. Seven million copies sold, only 2 people know of the so called cheat.
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My point exactly. Thats what I'm trying to say to these guys that insist cheating is going on. Don't they think that if there was a cheat going on, some of these other geniuses would have figured it out also. I mean, there is people who can figure out how to drive under the track, they can figure out different ways to dupe and glitch, but they can't figure out if these guys are cheating and how, give me a break. If no one can prove anything, then get over yourselves and come to grips with the realization that maybe they just came up with a legit way to run that fast. Like I said before to you guys, prove it or shut about it and just accept the fact that somone may just be that good.
 
KB18FAN
My point exactly. Thats what I'm trying to say to these guys that insist cheating is going on. Don't they think that if there was a cheat going on, some of these other geniuses would have figured it out also. I mean, there is people who can figure out how to drive under the track, they can figure out different ways to dupe and glitch, but they can't figure out if these guys are cheating and how, give me a break. If no one can prove anything, then get over yourselves and come to grips with the realization that maybe they just came up with a legit way to run that fast. Like I said before to you guys, prove it or shut about it and just accept the fact that somone may just be that good.
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Rollerhead
I see that the discussion here is all about cheating or not. There is only one post here that is on top of the idea to discuss something no one here has tried (except me). I have also seen the replay, and I have noticed that his cart behaves differently than mine, so I have tested something that is accessible to all and after only a few minutes I can now state that my cart behaves like this too. But despite this, he has done a very good job of learning this new way of driving.

In other words, no one are cheating here!
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Care to share exactly what it is that you have done to get your cart to behave like theirs? Your post is nothing more than a "trust me guys, I know what I am talking about" with absolutely nothing to back it up!
 
Ok, just so I wouldn't be out of the loop here, I went and watched his and the other top 9 replays. I see no evidence of any cheating. I studied replays and even freeze framed it at certain points to see if I can see anything odd and absolutely nothing. I do find one thing odd tho as it pertains to him but several others also that are nowhere near his time. I know carts have 1 gear, the event I believe is locked to manual but how are others, including the first guy, running in auto. Thats the only question I have. Like I said, I've seen a few others in auto also, just wondering how thats done when the event is locked in manual. Pretty sure thats what I saw anyway, I could be wrong.
 
Seems like people are just having a go at each other over this,
The top 2 guys have a huge advantage over the rest of us, and it isn't skill alone.

I have tried asking them, but they dont answer.
(I might try in spanish 2moro, if i can remember any :lol:)
 
PR1VATEJ0KER
Seems like people are just having a go at each other over this,
The top 2 guys have a huge advantage over the rest of us, and it isn't skill alone.

I have tried asking them, but they dont answer.
(I might try in spanish 2moro, if i can remember any :lol:)
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All I'm say is no one has proved that they are cheating. I believe in the innocent until proven guilty thing and nobody has proven anything at all. Like I said, are you going to tell me that out of all these geniuses that play this game, only two people have figured this so called cheat out. The only thing I would even consider remotely possible is hybriding with a jailbroken PS3 BUT, I have very smart friends that used to do that with the other GT games and are working on it with other people and they say it is IMPOSSIBLE to do that online so that theory can go right out the window if anyone thinks that may be the case. So, prove to me a cheat is involved, otherwise, accept the fact that these two are faster than you or anyone else. Don't mean to sound harsh, but this is getting ridiculous.
 
Not sure if this helps with the cheating but... I was in a Dodge Viper and went to the cart TT. It sent me to the garage to get a correct car and of the 2 I had 1 was showing it had 33hp and the other 21hp, I went in to investigate and the stats showed 21 and when I went back out to the car selection it was showing 21hp. Maybe... just maybe if I hadn't of checked it out and just changed into it it would have loaded with 33hp? Just a thought and I might try it again later, anyone else encounter this?
 
juger0
Not sure if this helps with the cheating but... I was in a Dodge Viper and went to the cart TT. It sent me to the garage to get a correct car and of the 2 I had 1 was showing it had 33hp and the other 21hp, I went in to investigate and the stats showed 21 and when I went back out to the car selection it was showing 21hp. Maybe... just maybe if I hadn't of checked it out and just changed into it it would have loaded with 33hp? Just a thought and I might try it again later, anyone else encounter this?
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Ok, I think we may be on to something here. After reading this, I went back and tried this, except I was in a motosport elise. It happened EXACTLY like you said, to a T. Not sure what this means, if anything. The cart that had 33hp had like 150 miles on it btw. I don't know anything about these carts as far as max hp or anythin else. Going to investigate more cause now I'm intrigued.
 
Well I have handed my kart over to Bob to put some miles on it this morning. Sorry if this is obvious but I have started using the handbrake instead of the brake and am getting some promising results especially in T1, in case that helps other mortals.

I have noticed that what is showing as your setup in your online record can be different to your actual setup. eg my fastest time shows MT, ABS 3 and ASM medium (as per the last race I did in a car) but when in the kart TT, and using the inrace button menu, I found ABS and ASM were 0 and I could not change them or any other settings.

Gotta say I usually hate TTs, but this is fun.
 
some deluded folk here. they are clearly glitching/cheating, they are 2 secs in front of everyone else even the good drivers. its not rocket science so stop having a go at people who think so. its clearly a bug/glitch nothing else
 
sgllocal
some deluded folk here. they are clearly glitching/cheating, they are 2 secs in front of everyone else even the good drivers. its not rocket science so stop having a go at people who think so. its clearly a bug/glitch nothing else
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Prove it.
 
I've tried handbrake too, helps a lot in turn 2 to get the kart turned in quickly. On the replay I can't see them using handbrake though.

Like I have said before, top 2 guys are 6% faster than 4th. 6% faster on the current Nurburgring TT is about 7s faster than the best lap. If someone on that Nurburgring TT was 1st, and 7s faster than 2nd place, wouldn't you be suspicious?
 
eNJS
I've tried handbrake too, helps a lot in turn 2 to get the kart turned in quickly. On the replay I can't see them using handbrake though.

Like I have said before, top 2 guys are 6% faster than 4th. 6% faster on the current Nurburgring TT is about 7s faster than the best lap. If someone on that Nurburgring TT was 1st, and 7s faster than 2nd place, wouldn't you be suspicious?
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suspicious, yes. Accusing of cheating... Well without proof, we cant exactly accuse them of cheating, can we?
 
Nismo34
Prove it.
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I think I can. I don't know jack about these carts, but here is what I think. They are running older carts from before all the updates when there was only 1 type of cart. Here is why I say that. I had a cart from last December when the game came out. It had 33hp and 210 miles on it until I clicked on the stats and it set it back to 22hp. I then took a restore ticked and restored it back to original, no miles and now has 23hp. Here is the difference.
Old cart. 23hp 473pp Power/Weight Ratio 3.53kg/hp Max Torque 12ft.lb/9500

New cart 21hp 465pp Power/Weight Ratio 3.70kg/hp Max Torque 11ft.lb/9500

See the differences. Same cart, one is just an original before all the updates. Not sure if there is engine break in on these but I know for a fact that my original had 33hp until I clicked on the stats. Had I not clicked on the stats, it would have let me enter with a 33hp cart since there is no hp limit, just cart type. That is probably what they are doing. Thats my best guess. Anyone that knows these carts better than I do, what do you think. Do I have something here.
 
Fine, they aren't cheating, it's just highly suspicious. Happy now? Also, to that other guy, no need for personal insults.
 
StevenDunn99
BTW, to those using 24hp Karts - what difference is there in lap times verses a new kart ?
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I myself have no idea. I don't run these things. I just laid out the facts and figures for you guys that know about these carts and gave my opinion of whats going on.
 
KB18FAN
Old cart. 23hp 473pp Power/Weight Ratio 3.53kg/hp Max Torque 12ft.lb/9500

New cart 21hp 465pp Power/Weight Ratio 3.70kg/hp Max Torque 11ft.lb/9500
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I'm calling "Plausible". Well done for taking the time to investigate, rather than simply crying foul. I've still yet to be convinced that the top two guys are anything other than smarter than the rest of us...

{Cy}
 
KB18FAN
I myself have no idea. I don't run these things. I just laid out the facts and figures for you guys that know about these carts and gave my opinion of whats going on.
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I just want to know for my own purposes, to see if there is any hope of myself going under 33s.
 
KB18FAN
I think I can. I don't know jack about these carts, but here is what I think. They are running older carts from before all the updates when there was only 1 type of cart. Here is why I say that. I had a cart from last December when the game came out. It had 33hp and 210 miles on it until I clicked on the stats and it set it back to 22hp. I then took a restore ticked and restored it back to original, no miles and now has 23hp. Here is the difference.
Old cart. 23hp 473pp Power/Weight Ratio 3.53kg/hp Max Torque 12ft.lb/9500

New cart 21hp 465pp Power/Weight Ratio 3.70kg/hp Max Torque 11ft.lb/9500

See the differences. Same cart, one is just an original before all the updates. Not sure if there is engine break in on these but I know for a fact that my original had 33hp until I clicked on the stats. Had I not clicked on the stats, it would have let me enter with a 33hp cart since there is no hp limit, just cart type. That is probably what they are doing. Thats my best guess. Anyone that knows these carts better than I do, what do you think. Do I have something here.
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Maybe the stats in the garage screen show 33 bhp but if you "get in" the cart , it changes to 21/24 bhp.

The only thing I can think of , are the tyres.On the older version you could buy racing tyres for the carts IIRC.

Also , if you loading a older save (pre 1.05) , where you are in the cart , this could work with the 33 bhp too.


raVer
 
CyKosis1973
I'm calling "Plausible". Well done for taking the time to investigate, rather than simply crying foul. I've still yet to be convinced that the top two guys are anything other than smarter than the rest of us...

{Cy}
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Thank you. I just got tired of everyone saying they were cheating but not bothering to come up with any idea as to how so I just decided to investigate myself.
 
-raVer-
Maybe the stats in the garage screen show 33 bhp but if you "get in" the cart , it changes to 21/24 bhp.

The only thing I can think of , are the tyres.On the older version you could buy racing tyres for the carts IIRC.

Also , if you loading a older save (pre 1.05) , where you are in the cart , this could work with the 33 bhp too.


raVer
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The thing I think is odd tho is the pp and power/weight ratio difference. You also have good points. Between yours and my theory, I'm pretty conviced we got this figured out or at least real close to it.
 
-raVer-
Maybe the stats in the garage screen show 33 bhp but if you "get in" the cart , it changes to 21/24 bhp.

The only thing I can think of , are the tyres.On the older version you could buy racing tyres for the carts IIRC.

Also , if you loading a older save (pre 1.05) , where you are in the cart , this could work with the 33 bhp too.

raVer
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Plausible too.

KB18FAN
Thank you. I just got tired of everyone saying they were cheating but not bothering to come up with any idea as to how so I just decided to investigate myself.
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Not a problem, Sir. I watched the top three (as of yesterday) and I couldn't find anything untoward. Whilst I'm not saying they aren't exploiting something within the game, to call foul without first examining is wrong. If it's not preternatural ability, they're likely to be taking advantage of new/old karts and/or game version.

I'll be disappointed if it transpires they're running on racing slicks. I'm hoping they've just boxed cleverer than the rest...

{Cy}
 
Just an additional thought to my theory of SRF....

If manual is sticking on, on some laps due to various ways of entering the event from previous ways (Maybe practice mode), then maybe SRF is staying on (Even though it says off), from a previous event.

Maybe somebody should try going to practice mode, setting the car up with SRF do a few laps leave, do a Setting sheet B as well same options. Then go to the seasonal, load it try it out if it doesn't work try load setting sheet B do the same. Just a way perhaps to find out.
 
What happens if you share a 33 bhp cart ?

Does it keep the 33 bhp for the borrower or does the power go down ?


raVer
 
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