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Very true, would love to see Kimi at Mercedes or possibly taking Massa's seat at Ferrari in 2013?
No way he'll go to Ferrari and Mclaren.
Duh.
Duh to you.
Very true, would love to see Kimi at Mercedes or possibly taking Massa's seat at Ferrari in 2013?
No way he'll go to Ferrari and Mclaren.
Duh.
I've yet to see Lewis do these moves.
Hmm maybe possibilities of Renault 2012 if Williams does not agree?
He did. It usually ended up with someone out of the race.
I actually think I'd rather see Kamui go to that spot at Ferrari. If Ferrari is smart they'll do that. If he becomes the first Japanese driver to win a F1 race, Japan will forever be Ferrari fans. And they could potentially get some Japanese sponsors on board. And we all know who is the best passer in F1... nope, not Lewis like most commentators seem to believe. I've yet to see Lewis do these moves.
Can we all stop having a go at prisonermonkeys? Let's face it, Kimi previously stated he would never drive for that team. At least PM had the decency to not cave into rumours.
With the benefit of hindsight, we'd all regret saying something, but you had no facts to suggest Kimi was in with a chance of a drive with Lotus. Just mere fanboy speculation that has, for once, turned out to be right.
................Hmmm, with Kubica's return looking less and less likely for next year, I just wonder if Renault might be looking to attract another top driver to help improve their fortunes.
In regards to Kimi possibly getting this seat (Renault) or a ride at Williams, I'll believe it when I see it
Sorry, but the last I'd heard, Doctors were pleased with Kubica's progress since his final operation. What has changed since then?
Assumptions like these wherein the name of a driver is rated higher than a current driver just because of his past performances, and even though they may not have raced in a good while, annoy me to a certain degree. It's what's becoming a small disease to F1 nowadays, wherein drivers with potential are being shoved to the side for drivers who bring a name to the team, without the rookie having any chance to develop his skill and settle himself in the F1 circus.
I predict Renault will be looking for a replacement within six months. When Raikkonen realises the car isn't as good as he anticipated, he'll just phone it in until the team starts doing something. And do something they will: fire him.
Grosjean definitely needs the other seat though.
Um, why? He had his shot in a fairly competitive car, and failed to even score points, let alone finish in the top 10. Alonso managed to win in the same car if I'm not mistaken.
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Or Maybe it was 2008 when Alonso won at Singapore? I can't remember really
Grosjean never had any shot.
He was given one single season with a double world champion as his teammate. Briatore as teamboss + Alonso number 1 driver = all the crap for Grosjean. Grosjean never had any kind of a fair chance at proving his worth.
Grosjean never had any shot.
He was given one single season with a double world champion as his teammate. Briatore as teamboss + Alonso number 1 driver = all the crap for Grosjean. Grosjean never had any kind of a fair chance at proving his worth.
Um, why? He had his shot in a fairly competitive car, and failed to even score points, let alone finish in the top 10. Alonso managed to win in the same car if I'm not mistaken.
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Or Maybe it was 2008 when Alonso won at Singapore? I can't remember really
I predict Renault will be looking for a replacement within six months. When Raikkonen realises the car isn't as good as he anticipated, he'll just phone it in until the team starts doing something. And do something they will: fire him.
You only have to look at Grosjean's CV and actually watch the man race to know he is a special talent. Every car he has jumped in except that Renault he has been competing for wins, even in GT1...
Just because you are doing well in other series/types of cars doesn't always mean you will do well in Formula 1. Formula 1 is a different animal to any other racing series in the world. According to the SPEED commentators you either "get it" or you "don't." Kobayashi and Perez are able to jump into the sport and do well immediately. They obviously "got it." I think Di Resta is another that, "got it." Some notable GP2 champions that didn't, Maldonado and Glock.
Glock is a pretty damn good driver, I thought that was pretty commonly accepted? My god I hope I don't have to once again defend Toyota's drivers once again. Trulli and Glock get so much crap thrown at them its doing my head in.
No, I think Renault will fire Raikkonen because he will realise the car is not what he expected and so won't be bothered to try anymore. He'll just tread water and expect Renault to do something. Haven't you been following the WRC this season? Raikkonen has a bad hait of giving up the moment things don't go his way. He crashed into Henning Solberg in France, and retired on the spot. But his car was simply immobilised, and probably could have been restarted and Raikkonen would have made it to the next passage control with only a minor time penalty. Instead, he decided to go home - within an hour of the crash - because it was too hard to get a decent result, and left his team manager trying to explain things.Do you honestly think that Renault will fire someone of the level of Raikkonen for complaining about the car?
Of course, but seeing as "other series" are our only gauge to how good drivers are, it stands to reason to want to see them get a shot, no?
We already know where Petrov and Senna stand talent wise. Grosjean is still an unknown after that disastorous 2009 semi-season.
Glock is a pretty damn good driver, I thought that was pretty commonly accepted? My god I hope I don't have to once again defend Toyota's drivers once again. Trulli and Glock get so much crap thrown at them its doing my head in.
Um, why? He had his shot in a fairly competitive car, and failed to even score points, let alone finish in the top 10. Alonso managed to win in the same car if I'm not mistaken.
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Or Maybe it was 2008 when Alonso won at Singapore? I can't remember really
Why carry on the argument when it's clear you don't know what you're talking about?
Your talking like he didn't get a shot. He got a shot at racing in Formula 1 did he not? It's the same for every rookie. You have to make your name as a second driver that doesn't get everything handed to him like the first. That's just how it is and some drivers are able to cope and others aren't. If I remember correctly, Kobayashi finished ahead of Trulli, having never raced Formula 1 before when Trulli should have had much more experience, and finished ahead of him in his first 2 races.
Trulli is a fantastic driver, but again, Glock not able to outpace him when in theory he has better credentials than Trulli, and Kobayashi for that matter, having won a GP2 championship.
I corrected myself, did I not?
Your talking like he didn't get a shot. He got a shot at racing in Formula 1 did he not? It's the same for every rookie. You have to make your name as a second driver that doesn't get everything handed to him like the first. That's just how it is and some drivers are able to cope and others aren't.
He got half a season in a crap car against a teammate he would never match or beat. I wouldn't call that "a shot". He was moved too early out of GP2. Put it this way, Kobayashi, Perez, Di Resta..any recent rookie you care to mention wouldn't have done much better.
You can't expect all rookies to perform like Hamilton or Kobayashi and perform instantly, not to mention this is ignorant of the circumstances.
He got half a season in a crap car against a teammate he would never match or beat. I wouldn't call that "a shot". He was moved too early out of GP2. Put it this way, Kobayashi, Perez, Di Resta..any recent rookie you care to mention wouldn't have done much better.
You can't expect all rookies to perform like Hamilton or Kobayashi and perform instantly, not to mention this is ignorant of the circumstances. Kobayashi was under almost no pressure from the team though he did have his own personal pressure as his racing career was on the line (he had apparently run out of money at that point and was going finish motor-racing). Hamilton came in but wasn't expected to beat Alonso and had a good helping of support from Ron Dennis as well as plenty of testing.
And Kobayashi finished ahead of Trulli in Brazil because Trulli never finished. He finished ahead in Abu Dhabi because he was on a different fuel strategy if I remember right.
Glock did match Trulli in 2008 and 2009.
Have you watched Grosjean race other than in F1?
That reminds me alot of another driver in the same situation from an outside viewing perspective, what was his name...I know the year was 2007 but for the life of me I can't remember his name. Well the funny thing is he easily gave Alonso a run for his money and wont you know it he won the next year's WDC after Alonso left.
Sometimes you watch a driver and you just know that they have as you put it "got it". Anyone who has watched Sebastien Bourdais or Romain Grosjean race in other series will know that if they were given the right environment in F1, they would be successful. There are drivers who clearly have something everyone else does not.