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Does anyone have a stock KPGC10 GT-R that they're willing to part with? I'm also looking for a stock 240Z. I'm willing to trade for them, just tell me what you want.

I've got an urge to bring out some vintage JDM machinery next season.
 
I really don't understand how you can't improve with the DFGT. Did you put it on "simulation" mode yet? Also, try adding bungie cords around the pedals. I've got the same wheel and the feedback is perfect for driving just about any car at the limit.

Don't have the GT-R. I have a 240z but its on my list of cars to try. Since the transmission has a lower top speed compared to the 280z I ran this season, I might have luck installing some expensive mods to get it to 385pp. That's actually my next task...find cars that are far enough below 385 that I can slap on a turbo or stage 2 engine tuning. My MR2 from Tuesdays started and will end with a mid-rpm turbo. I figured if I placed low enough, I could still upgrade it at the end of the season...but I never made enough cash to install a high-rpm turbo.
 
I really don't understand how you can't improve with the DFGT. Did you put it on "simulation" mode yet? Also, try adding bungie cords around the pedals. I've got the same wheel and the feedback is perfect for driving just about any car at the limit.

I don't know that I haven't gotten faster. I just didn't really compare any times. I may have gotten faster. I can only say that I know I've gotten cleaner through corners. Especially long sweeping ones. I used to hate the oval circuits cause you had to hold the wheels to one side through the turn.

Something I did do with the controller was test with and without TCS. I used one of the Mine's GT-Rs, which are so freakin' easy to drive, on Trial Mountain or Deep Forest. I was faster without the TCS.

I should try that again with the wheel and pedals.

Don't have the GT-R. I have a 240z but its on my list of cars to try. Since the transmission has a lower top speed compared to the 280z I ran this season, I might have luck installing some expensive mods to get it to 385pp. That's actually my next task...find cars that are far enough below 385 that I can slap on a turbo or stage 2 engine tuning. My MR2 from Tuesdays started and will end with a mid-rpm turbo. I figured if I placed low enough, I could still upgrade it at the end of the season...but I never made enough cash to install a high-rpm turbo.

I did have enough money for the High RPM turbo. It did make me faster down the straight, even without upgrading the tranny. But the lag was so pronounced that my lap time didn't improve.

So instead of the High RPM turbo, I've done more weight reduction and noticed a big difference.

Hopefully that will help with tire wear, too.
 
And even though I would bet that between Huyler, Bowtie, and Diabolic, we will see at least two small MRs, I think everyone else has a chance of keeping up with them in the standings if we can just not wreck.

You are probably right. I'm going to give the little 206 a good go tonight....a final Hoo-rah for the FF class for me. With the added power, should be able to hop over at least 1 person in the standings, though I'm hopinng for two. Either way, the Tiburon, the Talon, both MGs and some random FRs are in the running for me.
 
I would rather pick an FR than an MR, but you never know.
 
Looks like race is in my lobby tonight. Send a friend req to me if you cant get in.
 
You are probably right. I'm going to give the little 206 a good go tonight....a final Hoo-rah for the FF class for me. With the added power, should be able to hop over at least 1 person in the standings, though I'm hopinng for two. Either way, the Tiburon, the Talon, both MGs and some random FRs are in the running for me.

Diabolic, you deserve that win tonight....I can't believe I ran out of gas.. that's horrible, but hilarious at the same time. 3/4 of a lap early, too...made it around and in with 0.5 seconds left on the timer :P

Woulda been a great way to finish up the season, tho! Happy I/we were running sub 4'30s near the end! 4'29.244 was my fastest I think...

Great fun in the 385 cars too. Huyler, I checked the replay, and my turn @ the top of the straight was a bit cheeky. I definitely stuffed you, and pushed you out.. that little civic was fun :)

I've shared my G20, for what it's worth... is it odd that I added 200kg of ballast over the rear wheels for tonight's race?
 
I ran 4:29.088 fastest time. Every lap outside the first/last and pit laps were sub 4:32
 
Just did an hour testing session with some 385 or less cars. I used GVE-R as my testing ground because it showcases straight line speed as well as cornering speeds. I can run consistent laps and follow my ghost to know how a car is performing. Some I pushed hard for the times, others not so much but I generally put in about 5 laps and they were within 3 10ths of each other once I got a rhythm going.

1:20.684 Toyota MR2 Spyder '99 -- Just plain fast, but transmission tops out at 143...meaning you'll have to sandbag for the tranny at some point in the season.
1:21.150 Mazda Roadster 1.8 RS '98 -- not as quick as the MR but corners cleaner.
1:21.398 Nissan 240zg '71 -- nice car, but no turbo option.
1:21.480 MG TF160 '03 -- Felt slow compared to the MR2 but is still a decent ride
1:21.643 Hyundai Tiberon Turbulence '99 -- It's an FF but not too shabby
1:21.656 Toyota MR2 '86 -- With a mid rpm turbo to start, this car is still a contender. I'll have to test the SC version later.
1:21.939 Nissan SILVIA Q's AERO (S14) '93 -- Very tall gears, and no turbo option. No thanks.
1:21.950 Eagle Talon Esi '97 -- Add 10 more pp and it could be a good starting point...but might run out of steam at the end of the season.
1:22.134 206 S16 '99 -- Still a decent ride
1:22.286 Honda CR-X del Sol SiR '92 -- Fast out of the final turn, but no torque or corner grip. Might be acceptable given the tracks we plan to run.
1:22.574 G20 '90
1:22.891 280z '78 -- If I couldn't win with it this season, I won't next season either.
1:22.921 Mazda Protege '02 -- Felt unbelievably slow, tall gears and no power.
1:23.645 Mitsubishi Lancer EX 1800GSR '83 -- woof, woof, its a dog.
1:26.077 Alpha Giulia Sprint GTA 1600 '65 -- Fun to drive, but very slow.

** Italic cars were from previous testing session at 375pp...meaning they might still be contenders. I still need to test the 86 MR2 SC, some Miatas, and a few more FFs.

I must have done engine refreshes on a dozen other cars to find out they were over 385pp so that's all I actually got to test.

Why test the '02 and '03 if only up to '01 is allowed? Am I missing something here?
 
Boredom?
 
Great fun in the 385 cars too. Huyler, I checked the replay, and my turn @ the top of the straight was a bit cheeky. I definitely stuffed you, and pushed you out.. that little civic was fun :)
Yeah I know...you got a boost from Diabolic. I should have stayed inside to get the boost from you but I was planning on taking the turn full speed. It's all good though. That was a fun race. I can't believe how much bumping and rubbing we did without getting any damage. I wish everyone could race like that...although the CS tires does serve as an equalizer.

Why test the '02 and '03 if only up to '01 is allowed? Am I missing something here?

Ehh, umm, no idea, at one point I was just going down my list and grabbing cars and running laps. I won't be using either car anyway.

After last night's impromptu race, it appears the MR2 Spyder is extremely quick, but also extremely difficult to handle. In fact, the Miata I was in was no cake walk either. Both cars will benefit from sticky tires later in the season though. I gotta check the transmission on the Miata to see if it will last the whole season.
 
I'm certainly leaning to a hot hatch... Gotta see how it'll shake out in the long run tho. I loved the flickability of it.. Had my bb at 2/10, and it was sweet.. :)
 
I'll have a new thread up soon for next season. I just wanted to take a minute to thank everyone for participating. I had lots of fun every race even though at times I was severely under powered.

I started the season off well and avoided any position-changing accidents. I made the most of the draft and tire strategy and it paid off. Bowtie wasn't far behind though, and had he made it to Tsukuba, he likely would have ended up on top with his far superior car. With only spending 1,000cr more than me, his car was insanely faster on the final race. In fact, he placed above me almost every race. The only exceptions were GVE and Trial Mountain.

A quick review of my season:

Grand Valley: I knew Bowtie's MG was going to be quicker but my goal was either a first or 2nd place finish. I think I had enough power for a final lap pass so my goal was to simply stay within drafting distance. Bowtie fell behind with some minor damage and I finished most of the race with a safe lead.

Tsukuba: The MR2 was at home in SH tires and I was pulling massive speed through the hairpins...but with no money to spend my car was obviously slow in a straight line. Late in the race I came upon Sl3ight and Cujo and got around them while they were battling tire wear (Cujo with his rears, and Sl3ight with his fronts). I pulled off a 5th place finish in a car that started 9th or 10th.

Monza: Again, I was down on power but I drafted a few cars here and there and had decent control through the chicanes to pull away from some of the cars that were only slightly faster than me. 6th place was about where my car belonged and I got it without any issues.

Trial Mountain: My car qualified mid-pack and I watched people around me fall victim to accidents and tire wear. My car was chewing through rear tires but I held on for a surprise victory.

Suzuka: For the first part of the race I had plenty of cars to draft. After that it was all about keeping my corner speeds up to maintain momentum. I lost my position a few times to the faster FF cars but gained it back when their tires wore down.

Monaco: This was the most intense race of the season for me. I raced Sl3ight for position every lap of the race until lap 45 when his tires were toast and he tried an out braking maneuver that didn't end very well. It was a hard earned 3rd place

le Sarthe: The first part of the race I was able to draft dabney until his corner speeds slowed down and he wasn't able to keep up through the esses. I thought he had more straight line acceleration but I had a faster top speed (if I could get there with someone's draft). It was almost like neither of us could pass on the straight. On lap 8 bowtie spun out in front of me. I slowed to attempt to avoid him but he took up the entire track on the 2nd chicane and I had no way around him. I got front suspension damage and went to the pits early. I had thought about doing a no-pit strategy but I don't think it would have made a difference since Bowtie had to win the race to beat me in points.

Conclusion: The MR2 had a distinct advantage when it came to corner speeds. Even when I was down on power, I was still able to draft other cars that couldn't run the same corner speeds. It helped me maintain a pace up to 2 seconds faster than my car would run alone. It also benefited from even tire wear on sticky tires reducing the delta between early run laps and late run laps. On several events I made late run passes, mostly on FF cars. My strategy at the beginning wasn't really about corner speeds though. It was about 2 things:
1) Pick a car that will not need a transmission
2) Pick a car that will be fast with no mods, or fast with a single expensive mod.

I had a top speed of 155 with the MR2 which I barely reached at le Sarthe. The gearing was a little tall at the beginning of the season but that's where my second rule came in. I found a car that would accept a mid-rpm turbo and still be under 375. I knew if I had some early top-5 finishes I wouldn't get to the turbo until late in the season anyway, and the mid-rpm turbo was a perfect match for the tall gears providing me with a wide power band.
 
I gotta check the transmission on the Miata to see if it will last the whole season.

I think this is a major problem in the series. The Fully Customizable Transmission is really cost prohibitive given the amount of prize credits we receive. You can place low/sandbag and spend the credits on it, but then your car won't be fast enough to even make use of it (or make up the lost points) because you're missing out on 20k worth of power mods.

Given the schedule for next season, the top speed of the transmission is my number one criteria while looking for cars.

I think if we made it a mandatory part from the start of the season we would get a better variety of cars and much closer racing. It'd be a great equalizer.
 
I was thinking about making the tranny a free-bee. It drastically narrows the selections when you limit yourself to cars that have 150+ mph tranny. However, cars like the MR2/MRS would be speed demons with a custom tranny. I'd have to go back and test a bunch of cars with just the tranny to see if it levels the field or makes it worse.

Anyone else think the tranny should be a free-bee?
 
I enjoyed the race last night. A little recap from me:

I qualified third fastest. After the race, I'm guessing that Diabolic didn't put down a qualifying lap. The start messed up, and the restart messed up. I started on the pole. Geezer was quickly behind me, and at one point passed me. I knew Pyxen was faster, but he was still caught in traffic.

I think on lap four, Geezer hit me kind of hard entering the first straight. My tires were going, so I was braking a little early anyway. I took light damage on both back corners. But, it was even, and it wasn't slowing me down. My car wasn't pulling, so I rode it out.

I made it to my scheduled pit on lap seven. I was in first at that point, and expected to lose positions. I figured I'd make them back or not depending on how pits went. I was still very happy with how the race was going.

Pyxen pitted with me, I think. I come out and he quickly catches me. On lap nine I think, Pyxen is trying to pass me in one of the chicanes. He gets into my right rear and I take moderate damage.

My car is now pulling a little to the right.

Pyxen gets away from me down the straights, but I catch back up to him entering the esses. I hate passing entering the esses cause I know I'm going to be slow. I know whomever I pass will just pass me back. I'm off the throttle a little, behind Pyxen, and my car pulls a little and I don't correct it enough.

I touch the grass and then hit the wall.

I'm very upset at this point. I feel like this wreck is Pyxen's fault ultimately, and that this wreck is really going to cost me. I was hoping to beat Dikarika, but he gets by me now and gets away.

But, I can't be upset with Pyxen. Now that it is night, I wreck myself. Even if Pyxen hadn't wrecked me, this wreck was enough to let Dika get away.

Now, I'm out of the pits for the third time, on lap 12. I don't want to pit again. So now I have to stretch my tires for eight laps. It is going to be exciting.

I chase down Bowtie, a couple of times. He gets away from me in the bends, but I chase him down in the straights. And each of my laps is getting slower than the previous lap, by about two seconds.

This is the fun drama part. The last lap. Pyxen has run out of fuel! I can't be upset with him now. The battle for fourth place between Bowtie and myself now becomes a battle for third.

I catch up to Bowtie on the fourth straight. He is on the right side, and I come up on his left. Bowtie moves to the left to block me. That is legal.

I move to his right. Bowtie moves to the right. That is in violation of F1 rules, and I think of the GTPlanet OLR.

But Bowtie starts getting very physical. We are just a big rolling wreck all the way to the finish line. Fortunately, I finish third. But, I think as soon as Bowtie hit me, I had third. I don't think he would've argued the position at that point. He was just fooling around.

Kids, don't drive like that for real.

It was a blast. I had fun. I wrecked myself though. Maybe next race.
 
Anyone else think the tranny should be a free-bee?

Yes, the transmission may limit top speed, but... Huyler won the series, even with a poor finish in the last race. It may affect a race, but it doesn't appear to have affected the season?

I don't know. Would it be better to just pick some different tracks so the transmission is not that big a concern?

Just for reference, I did not change the transmission on the Talon.
 
I made a poll for the transmission.

Should the Fully Customizable Transmission be a free upgrade from the start of the season?

Vote here.

Should work, I've never used that site before.
 
Yes, the transmission may limit top speed, but... Huyler won the series, even with a poor finish in the last race. It may affect a race, but it doesn't appear to have affected the season?

I don't know. Would it be better to just pick some different tracks so the transmission is not that big a concern?

Just for reference, I did not change the transmission on the Talon.

As the rules are now, installing the transmission will essentially kill your chances at being competitive because it results in not being able to afford other mods. It also narrows the car selection down because you know you are stuck with the stock transmission for the entire series.

The point is that cars that have good gearing to start will continue to have good gearing, and cars that had bad gearing will gain back that disadvantage. You can have two cars with exactly the same specs, but one will be slower because it has bad gearing. In order to become equal you would need to spend 20k on a transmission, but then the other car that had good gearing to start will spend that 20k elsewhere. The result is that both cars may be geared to do 170mph, but only the car that was geared that way stock will have the power to do it.

Regarding tracks, I think next season is the best selection of tracks we've had so far. The jumping between fast circuits and tight circuits last season resulted in a lot of compromise in car setup. I think we'll have more people really going for it with the new schedule.
 
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You're going to call me out on OLR?? Really? It was the last lap of the last race. I only had one shot at getting 3rd place and I took it. Yes we crashed, but you leg out the part where you ave me engine damage after not breaking after I crashed you. It was completely fair payback, and was not OLR compliant. So. I ran fair all season, and decided to have a blast on the last lap of the season. Any issues?
 
BTK
You're going to call me out on OLR?? Really? It was the last lap of the last race. I only had one shot at getting 3rd place and I took it. Yes we crashed, but you leg out the part where you ave me engine damage after not breaking after I crashed you. It was completely fair payback, and was not OLR compliant. So. I ran fair all season, and decided to have a blast on the last lap of the season. Any issues?

Well, to be honest it was pretty dirty from where I was watching. I'd agree that it's against OLR and you don't really have an argument against that. Whether we agree with the OLR or not is another story, I tend to take more liberties than it technically allows.

I think everything that happened was a heat of the moment thing.

But the fact is that the last lap of the last race shouldn't be treated like it doesn't have rules. Just look at the last lap of ALMS at Laguna Seca in 2009. It ended with a dirty (albeit spectacular) move, and that's unfortunate.

There's a fine line between dirty and clean, but there's also a line between safe and dangerous. I'd put what you two were doing into the dangerous category, and in my opinion that doesn't fly. Yeah, it's just a game (you're not gonna die or anything) but you should race like it's real life.
 
Gave you damage after not breaking? Not sure what you mean.

From my point of view, it was in fun. And at the point that you started the blocking, I understood that you were conseeding the spot. I assumed that if you had finished third in the race that you would agree that we switch and give you points for fourth.

I'm not sore. It was fun. But yes, not to be done for real.
 
Yes, the transmission may limit top speed, but... Huyler won the series, even with a poor finish in the last race. It may affect a race, but it doesn't appear to have affected the season? Just for reference, I did not change the transmission on the Talon.
I won the series because I judged my mods vs transmission top speed appropriately. If I made an extra 10-15k to install some more weight reduction or power mods I would have topped out my transmission. It was slow at the start of the season but I compensated for it by installing the mid-rpm turbo at the beginning. Had I been given the opportunity to install a transmission I would have picked the high-rpm turbo at the start and geared appropriately for it. The fact is though, I passed on a bunch of car options because they didn't have a top speed fast enough for half of the tracks.

As the rules are now, installing the transmission will essentially kill your chances at being competitive because it results in not being able to afford other mods. It also narrows the car selection down because you know you are stuck with the stock transmission for the entire series.

The point is that cars that have good gearing to start will continue to have good gearing, and cars that had bad gearing will gain back that disadvantage. You can have two cars with exactly the same specs, but one will be slower because it has bad gearing. In order to become equal you would need to spend 20k on a transmission, but then the other car that had good gearing to start will spend that 20k elsewhere. The result is that both cars may be geared to do 170mph, but only the car that was geared that way stock will have the power to do it.

Regarding tracks, I think next season is the best selection of tracks we've had so far. The jumping between fast circuits and tight circuits last season resulted in a lot of compromise in car setup. I think we'll have more people really going for it with the new schedule.

Allowing the transmission will certainly open up the selection, but it wall also remove the lemon aspect of battling your car. Maybe we could reduce the cost of the transmission to like 2,500 or 5,000 credits to lessen the burden on the drivers that choose it.
 
We need to do a better job next season of choosing people to race who will show up al the time. I really wanted to get into the wed too but it was full and this was nealry full at the start but ended with just 10-11 normally.

As for the tranny, I'm completely AGAINST IT. My skyline had a stock top speed gearing of 137 and no turbo available. Should we say all cars must be turbo charged..... Or those without at a disadvantage get free early power upgrades..... Where does it end. The format works. At 385pp there are ton of great cars especially in the right hands.
In the end...race well place well, race poorly and you're in the back with me.


Must say I've got a couple screamers for next season!
 
Allowing the transmission will certainly open up the selection, but it wall also remove the lemon aspect of battling your car. Maybe we could reduce the cost of the transmission to like 2,500 or 5,000 credits to lessen the burden on the drivers that choose it.

I agree that in some ways it goes against the lemons theme but I think the main focus should be on close racing and variety. We'll see how the poll turns out. Making it a lower price could be a possibility, but I think having it free for the entire season will encourage people to pick different cars.

Cujo, as it stands the FC Transmission is cost prohibitive and that'll really hurt this season because of the track selection. A car lacking top end won't have a chance this coming season.
 
I'm not saying what I did was fair, and yes it was a blast. But I dont think I should be moved to an 8th place finish for fun, and yes I know no one said anything like this.

As for transmissions. The price of the transmission is extremely high but it adds to the difficulty of the series. If you can find a fast car with good gears you win
 
As for Garris and Bowtie. I don't want to jump to any conclusions without seeing the replay...but in general, one move per straight. I know you want to have fun bowtie...but garris fought back for a good part of the race to close in on you. Blocking and causing him damage ruins the race for him, denying him any gratification from the clean laps he put down prior to catching you.

The straights at le Sarthe simply aren't the type you can block on. When a car comes up behind you going way faster, its best to just let them go by and duck behind them to let them pull you along.

Miata_1 approached me on lap 18 or 19. I had maintained a pretty decent gap after he crashed in the esses...but when he came up on the mulsanne, I didn't even bother to mess with his race. I ducked behind and got a little draft and then he was gone.
 
We need to do a better job next season of choosing people to race who will show up al the time. I really wanted to get into the wed too but it was full and this was nealry full at the start but ended with just 10-11 normally.
Honestly, 11 people is pretty good for an 8 week series. I set up the scoring system for 10 drivers so that if we had people drop out it wouldn't drastically change the scoring. However, when you get 16 for the first 2 races then only 10, the drivers that didn't place well the first few races kind of get screwed on points unless we go back and re-score things (which we could do if someone feels slighted).

I can't control who drops out, but I will stress the fact that people need to find the time and if they know they are going to miss a race they should conceed the spot to someone who is prepared to show up each week.
 
BTK
I'm not saying what I did was fair, and yes it was a blast. But I dont think I should be moved to an 8th place finish for fun, and yes I know no one said anything like this.

As for transmissions. The price of the transmission is extremely high but it adds to the difficulty of the series. If you can find a fast car with good gears you win

You finished 4th.

I like the idea of changing the price of the tranny moreso making it free.
 
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