Like itunes Store: Would you pay $0.99 for each premium car?

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Pay U$ 0.99 for each Premium Car?

  • Yes

    Votes: 99 45.0%
  • No

    Votes: 121 55.0%

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Indeed. Several of them look worse than they did in GT4 (and, yes, I knew exactly what your real point was).


The advertising for the game disagrees with you.


That advertisement does not say there are 1000 cars at the same premium level. It says there are 1000 cars. And it's sarcastic. Your claim is not honest.

GT5's advertising was very clear that there were some premiums and some standards. You were not deceived into thinking the cars in Gt% were all premiums.

Furthermore, if you say cars in GT5 look worse than the ones in GT4, please, show me some evidence to back that up. The truth is that many of the standard cars in GT5 look really damn good, and better than GT4, which didn't exactly look horrible.

You say several look worse than in GT4: I call you out. Back that up.
 
So then we basically have....GT4 HD Remastered?
Anyway I rather see DLC in packs, car packs, track packs etc.
They should patch in GT4 A-spec events into GT5's A-spec....they can call it A-Spec Season 2 or something.
 
You say several look worse than in GT4: I call you out. Back that up.

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Bottom is GT5, and it's even photoshopped. I'd have GT4 model anyday.
 
That advertisement does not say there are 1000 cars at the same premium level. It says there are 1000 cars.
Advertisement says 1000 cars. Shows nothing but Premiums. And you think that means that the casual everyman shouldn't think there are 1000 current generation cars in the game?

GT5's advertising was very clear that there were some premiums and some standards.
No it wasn't. :lol:

There was a single page buried deep in the GT5 website that mentioned Standard cars, and a single short trailer featuring them. That was it. All of the other advertising and information talked up Premium cars only. There were dozens and dozens and dozens of PR materials (press releases, videos, interviews, screenshots, demos) that featured nothing but Premium cars, and two (maybe three) things that talked about Standards. And PD never made any attempt to correct people's perceptions on the matter.

That was why there was, at one point, 3 different thousand+ post topics on the subject, because even the people on this forum who were following each announcement with abated breath didn't know what the Standard cars would be like until after the game came out.


You were not deceived into thinking the cars in Gt% were all premiums.
I wasn't, but I'm not the typical GT5 player. I was paying explicit attention to the game's development. People who saw nothing but that ad, or even the people who couldn't find any information about Standards (which, again, were practically hidden from the public eye from the second they were announced unless you knew where to look), were.


All you have to do to see this is go back to posts made when the game came out to see people expressing surprise about the Standards, or the professional reviews for the game that didn't know about the Standards until they went to review it.


You say several look worse than in GT4: I call you out. Back that up.
Several cars have glitched LoD models, meaning they are using poorer quality models in the game than what they used in GT4. The Suzuki Alto Works was infamous for suffering from this when the game first came out. Off the top of my head, the Subaru Legacy 2.0GT Spec B still does.

This is also ignoring the several cars that PD removed the liveries they had in GT4, replacing them with poorly Photoshopped barcodes and PD logos.
 
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@Toronado - 👍

If PD sold 1 car for 1$ the profit would be huge. Lets see, if half a million GT5 players bought one car, that would be half a million $ *bling bling*! And I don't think that 1 car would cost 500 000$ to produce so...go get to work PD! And make them free:sly:
 
If you think the standard cars are all GT4 level quality, go visit an optometrist. And if you think getting the same cars in the PSP game means you already paid for them being in GT5, you need to ... I don't want to be rude to you, but that's just unreasonable, mate.

Is it really? What other game on the planet has such a divide in content? Imagine if you were to buy, say, Grand Theft Auto 4, and only 20% of the cars had a damage model, I think the gaming community would be livid over that; yet some how, GT5 is in this "bubble of perfection" that is devoid of any criticism toward its lack of consistency.

Also, I see just fine, plus I play on a 60" ISF calibrated 1080p HDTV. I've seen some terrible quality standard models, that, in my opinion, are unacceptable for a current generation racing game, especially one that has always used graphics as a main selling point.

You were not deceived about that GT5 would be like. You forked over your cash for a couple hundred premiums and many hundred more pretty nice standard cars. Some of the standard cars are actually very good looking, too. Go look at Veyron pics in the photomode forum.

You mean the Veyron that you're not allowed to zoom in on in photomode? Or not even allowed to use in Photo travel?

But you also just proved my point, you just said "Some of the standard cars are actually very good looking." Why aren't all of them good looking? Why does PD get a free pass on only making some models good, and others awful? It's a car game, all the cars should be held up to the same quality standards.

PD doesn't owe you any more content for free. I think PD does owe tweaks to the menus and other performance issues like that, but if they make standard cars into premiums, you should pay them for that.

I think I'm entitled to consistent content. I shouldn't have to pay for something extra that was pretty much touted as a main feature, and don't try to claim it wasn't, because that argument is awful.

Every advertisement for GT5 only featured premium cars, all the tech demos only featured premium cars, and standard cars barely got any mention until just before release when all we got was a little fine print note and a short video.

Otherwise, what's the incentive for this valuable product we want? Without the incentive, they won't be making it. We should want PD to make lots of money if they are smart enough to offer excellent DLC.

They can make short cash now, or have a lifetime customer. Which do you think is more important to a game franchise?

The very best DLC I can imagine is just as you wish... making all the standard cars into Premiums. That's not feasible, probably. They probably would have to re-license much of that and spend millions recording and rendering them. Would makes like RUF be able to slip through?

You need to understand how licensing works. Polyphony Digital already owns the right to use the likeness of any of the cars, be it premium or standard, there is nothing legally that can't stop them from upgrading standard models to premium.

But still, if PD has a pack that makes hundreds of the standards into premiums, I would pay $20 for it.

That's your prerogative. But, that's also the reason why games like Call of Duty have content already on the disc that you need to pay extra for to unlock. I personally would not like to see Gran Turismo go down such a road.
 
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Doesn't matter if the advertising was clear or not, you had opportunities to know precisely what you were buying before your pulled the trigger.

As for subscriptions, it's not as bad as it'd initially sound. I'd totally go for say $60 a year for guaranteed significant content updates at least quarterly and a best in class online mode.
 
Not for every premium car ever. Sell them in bundles for less money and tracks for a similar amount (but less of them in there as opposed to cars).
 
NO!

I paid £40 for 1000 cars, 60ish tracks, a course creator, full a-spec & b-spec events, special events, and constantly updated season events. Not to mention the development of a excellent physics engine, weather system , day/night and numerous other graphical and programming elements.

Looking at what goes into a £40 game the DLC is an absolute rip off. I have never and will never buy DLC, even for a game as good as GT5. A £10 DLC would have to have at least 250 cars, 15 tracks, new events and other additional features to even tempt me into paying for DLC. I can't see that happening. I admire the way PD's updates the game. I hope they don't go down the route that EA has and make you pay for new content within a week of the game being released.
 
I have to imagine if this was true, there wouldn't be such strict laws about advertising practices in every Western country in the world.

Clearly the advertising in question doesn't trigger them, or someone, somewhere would've surely brought it up by now.
 
there are no laser scan models here it's all handmade. Not saying Turn 10 is doing wrong but I know PD is putting some extra effort by doing everything with "their hands".

Extra effort that, in the end, produces results that might look better but are actually only slightly different to Forza's models. And they ALL have cockpits and are ALL 'premium'. They probably should change their methods after all.
 
Would it make you feel better if I'd said "it doesn't matter if you feel the advertising was clear or not"?
And yet, considering the outrage that pops up every time anyone suggests that PD charge money to convert Standards to Premiums (and you're new here, so let me save you some time and mention that this is nowhere near the first time the topic has come up), I have to imagine that it isn't my PoV that is irrelevant.
 
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I've been lurking here for ages, I know all too well how aspects of the community get their panties in a twist over certain subjects. But I digress.

The opinion itself isn't irrelevant. People believe and act on beliefs that aren't literally true all the time. I don't even particularly blame the ones who want to say they were misled. The fact is the information for an informed purchase was available to those who showed even the tiniest bit of restraint before pulling the trigger on the purchase.

Extra effort that, in the end, produces results that might look better but are actually only slightly different to Forza's models. And they ALL have cockpits and are ALL 'premium'. They probably should change their methods after all.

It's comparable to the Wachowski's original Bullet time vs the vastly cheaper rig that everyone else uses that got invented shortly after. The extra effort is nice, but not millions of dollars nice.
 
ALL the cars in the game need to be updated to premuim before even considering a charge for premium DLC. :dunce:

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Premium cars (perhaps !, instead of B Spec rubish) and i'd buy the game NEW, instead of leanding it from a friend, i'd like to tell friends to buy GT5..., but right now i can't : IT JUST ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH, sadly. Standard cars look like they belong on the PS1 !!! I love the interior view, when i saw it in prologue i ran to the store to buy it (second hand tho.) but i'm glad i didn't rush to buy GT5, instead i listened to my gut feeling and lended the game fom a friend, who didn't like it one bit (he bought it cheap and still found it a waste of ?) I am pretty loyal as a customer, i loved GT3 somuch i thought i'd never leave this franchise but sadly things went wrong, very wrong. GT4 didn't work at all, prologue wasn't half bad (much too short tho. -but ok- fair is fair, the game had flair) But now i think pd blew it, they blundered badly, GT5 proper could -AND SHOULD- 've easyly been a much better game. Sorry to say so but i see all the above as facts, if pd loses money on this game it wouldn't surprise me one little bit, still there's hope for some features of GT5, maybe ALL of them BUT as it is right now, i don't think GT5 is a finished game, yet pd had time enough to do a better job, why they didn't ? I don't know -don't want to- i just hope it'll get better BUT IT SHOULD NOT COST ME SO MUCH MONEY, PREMIUM CARS SHOULD BE FREE OF CHARGE, ALL CARS SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED FROM THE START!!! period.
Greetings stano666.
 
Advertisement says 1000 cars. Shows nothing but Premiums. And you think that means that the casual everyman shouldn't think there are 1000 current generation cars in the game?

So you admit you were dishonest, and I am correct.

Yes, you were wrong to claim that advertisement said there were 1000 premiums.

It's of course true that the same models at higher resolution will show more problems, but no, the models in GT5 are not worse than GT4, and you claimed I was incorrect to note many GT5 standards look better than GT4.

Your example actually is a complete failure, as the car simply looks much blurrier in GT4. It certainly doesn't look more detailed in GT4.

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Now, you are heavily editing your prior comments, and also plastering a filibuster level of nonsense, but you disputed my claim that some of the standards in GT5 look better than GT4, and you are incorrect. Your claim that there was an advertisement claiming 1000 premium cars is also incorrect. Your latest claim that the only way a customer could learn that there were standards cars was buried deep on Polyphony's website is both a lie and pretty hysterical. We all knew about this when we forked over our $60. It was heavily discussed.

Polyphony doesn't owe you free content. Your claim you already paid for these cars in the PSP game does not entitle you to free stuff.

Lets be fair. The real choice Polyphony had was simply removing all the standard cars, and having Premiums alone. If they had, most of the whiners would not be saying much. It's still a whole lot of cars at the Premium level. Each of them is painstakingly detailed and far more valuable than the GT4 level cars. If you don't want the standards, that's fine. You still got your money's worth on the hundreds of Premiums.

But a lot of the standard cars look great. If I put a Forza 4 logo on the pictures above, a lot of people would swear on their mother's grave they look better than GT5.

Honestly, you don't need to be so mad. GT5 has plenty of problems, but content is definitely not one of them. The demand for 1000 premium cars is actually pretty damn unrealistic.
 
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The demand for 1000 premium cars is actually pretty damn unrealistic.[/QUOTE]

So was gooing to the moon, yet some dudes solved that problem 40 years ago -LOL-

But seriously GT itself can be pretty damanding (i haven't tackled the last race of 5 prologue yet) so us being demanding in return isn't that bad, and what bugs me is the fact pd found time to create (in my book)nonsense like: fotolocations, bspec, gtacademy and more, yet the premium cars in the game are little new, most of them where in 5 prologue allready.
I don't know bout that comercial you talk about but i expected a little more premium cars in GT5, and by all accounts IT IS REASENABLE TO EXPECT MORE PREMIUM CARS !
Greetings stano(DEMANDS MORE & FREE PREMIUM CARS !)666
 
So you admit you were dishonest, and I am correct.

Yes, you were wrong to claim that advertisement said there were 1000 premiums.
Your attempt to make me look the fool has made it so you aren't even arguing the same thing you started arguing.

Recap:
You said the advertising for the game made it known that there were Standards and Premiums. I showed you that the only real ad for the game that said nothing of the sort, and in fact directly alluded to everything being Premium. And now you are claiming that I said something completely different from what I actually said.


It's of course true that the same models at higher resolution will show more problems, but no, the models in GT5 are not worse than GT4, and you claimed I was incorrect to note many GT5 standards look better than GT4.

Your example actually is a complete failure, as the car simply looks much blurrier in GT4. It certainly doesn't look more detailed in GT4.
You have no idea what that link actually showed, do you? Those were both shots of the same car, both taken in GT5. The first one was what it looked like when the game came out. The second one is what it looked like after it was fixed. The second one looks almost exactly like it did in GT4. You are basically arguing against something that the entire GTP community has known since 1.06 came out.
The problems with certain Standards isn't some amazing concept I'm making up to impress you.

To break it down for you:
This is a shot of the Alto from GT4:
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This is a shot of the Alto from GT5 when it came out:
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This is a shot of the Alto from GT5 now that it has been fixed:
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The fixed shot is pretty clearly the same polygonal mesh that the car from GT4 is, and the original shot is pretty clearly not. Crap like this was not present in GT4/GT3. And the Alto wasn't the only car that had similar problems, and some of those other cars still haven't been fixed.



And, again, PD have screwed up some of the textures on a few race cars with lazy decal edits, so LoD screwups aren't the only problem.


Now, you are heavily editing your prior comments
Narcissistic much? Don't flatter yourself. If you actually proved me wrong, I would leave my posts as they were. I only edit posts to add/clarify and correct spelling.

but you disputed my claim that some of the standards in GT5 look better than GT4, and you are incorrect.
No. I actually said I knew entirely what you meant. I merely commented that some Standard cars look/looked worse, which they unarguably do.

Your claim that there was an advertisement claiming 1000 premium cars is also incorrect.
Except I never said that.

Your latest claim that the only way a customer could learn that there were standards cars was buried deep on Polyphony's website is both a lie and pretty hysterical.
One two minute video. One page on the PD website. One (maybe two) interview where the idea was mentioned off hand (so, my apologies, possibly four pieces of PR work). That was it, period. That was the only way a customer could learn about Standards, because that was the only information PD released about Standards.

PD made no effort to explain anything about the Standard cars before their release but those tidbits of information that they quickly buried under information about other things in the game. Deal with it.


We all knew about this when we forked over our $60. It was heavily discussed.
We didn't know 🤬 about the Standard cars, because PD barely said anything about them.
This is also fact, which is why everyone was falling over themselves trying to figure out whether the Photomode/GT Life restrictions were true when the game was leaked early. We were discussing the small tidbits of information PD had actually released, but that was barely anything of note.


Plus, you know, the massive fallacy of acting like people discussing it on a fan message board means it was discussed elsewhere.


Polyphony doesn't owe you free content. Your claim you already paid for these cars in the PSP game does not entitle you to free stuff.
I said that? When?

If I put a Forza 4 logo on the pictures above, a lot of people would swear on their mother's grave they look better than GT5.
Yes. Absolutely astounding what heavy Photoshop work can do.
 
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It's comparable to the Wachowski's original Bullet time vs the vastly cheaper rig that everyone else uses that got invented shortly after. The extra effort is nice, but not millions of dollars nice.

:lol: Not really, a true comparison would be if the original rig was tiny but well made, but the 2nd one was cheaper but covered more ground. Forza still has a LOT more 'premium' models and 99% of them are very very accurate. I know the Abarth 500 is absolutely perfect.
 
a definite YES. Car packs make me buy the whole pack for 1 or 2 cars that I really want.

But.. today we pay for cars, tomorow for tyers.. What's next? Gasoline? See my point..
 
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