London 2012 Olympics and Paralympics - General discussion

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I'm thinking Knighthood...
 
Knighthood..sports personality..he'll get it all!!
 
Blaze_409
Its an interesting point none the less. I don't deny Phelps could be the greatest olympian ever but swimming events seems to be over represented at the Olympics. Swimming is as much of a sport as Tennis yet you can only hope to win 2 medals in the entire olympic games. Its quite simple impossible to win 19 Olympic medals playing Tennis every year. At best you can win single and doubles equalling two medals every four years. Then it would take you(or Roger Federer) 8 summer olympics or a span of 32-35 years(after you turned 16)(or more if you turn 16 the year after a summer olympics) to do this. Quite simply impossible even for the best player ever. At the age of 40 you just have no chance against a 23 year pro who is top ten in the world.

If tennis players had more opportunities to win medals they would do those events. .
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But they don't all compete in doubles, so I suppose you're incorrect.

Blaze_409
But they really only have 1 or 2 which is singles and doubles and rarely do people win both.

Phelps is a phenomenal swimmer so naturally he will get medals in all events he enters.
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INCORRECT again.

Blaze_409
You can make a generic statement for most other sports.
X is a phenomenal Y....but Phelps has more events available to him to win.
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And he has done so better than any swimmer, man or woman, is history. Recognize or Diminish? Your choice.

Blaze_409
Tennis, Basketball, Soccer and others are one shot medals. There are no medals for dunking, aces, or individual goals.
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How do you propose a TEAM SPORT has legit competition for multiple medals? How many tickets would be sold for a Corner Kick Medal competition? Or a Volleyball Setting competition? Are you serious?


Diminishing any athlete who competes in an event with multiple medals available (gymnastics, swimming, track and field - specifically sprinters and distance runners) because in soccer only one men's team can win and one women's team can win and that's it - is beyond shortsided imo, and demonstrates a possible complete misunderstanding of what Olympic Competition is all about - REGARDLESS of the event or discipline.

Roger Federer did not choose tennis over, say, gymnastics because of Gold Medal scarcity or duplicity, so making this a factor is astonishing.

IF Federer wins say, THREE or perhaps four Olympic medals in a row.. say three singles titles and the only doubles event he entered - he would be considered on par with Swimmers who have a closet full of medals by any right minded sports fan.


That said... Olympic Medals are THE pinnacle of a swimmer's career. Olympic medals are NOT the highest achievement for, footballers, basketball players, and the list goes on.

Get real.
 
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FoolKiller
I feel like you are downplaying the achievement of mastering many forms.
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I certainly didn't mean to belittle his efforts and achievements, but someone who does 1 or 2 events in a games is always going to lose in total medal count to someone who can do 8 events.

FoolKiller
Granted, Phelps has all his medals in swimming, so it is not nearly as impressive as golding in swimming, gymnastics, and shot-put would be, but he isn't competing in multiple races of the same stroke.
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In Beijing he did the 200 freestyle, the 4x100 freestyle & the 4x200 freestyle. 100 & 200 butterfly. That's at least 2 races of each stroke that he does and 2 medley races too (200 & 400.)

If you take Carl Lewis. He got a load of medals, in 2 different disciplines, yet there were still only 4 events he could do. There is no 4x200 in running or else he would have golded that too probably.
 
Here is some VIDEO of the badminton players who purposefully tried to throw the match in an effort to manipulate the knockout draw.

Some of these shots are absolutely disgraceful and they were righfully booted from the games. Well done to the officials who made that decision and well done to the crowd who were ALL OVER THEM once it became clear what was going on.

What clowns.

http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/badminton/highlights-badminton-players-try-to-throw-match.html

daan
I certainly didn't mean to belittle his efforts and achievements, but someone who does 1 or 2 events in a games is always going to lose in total medal count to someone who can do 8 events.

If you take Carl Lewis. He got a load of medals, in 2 different disciplines, yet there were still only 4 events he could do. There is no 4x200 in running or else he would have golded that too probably.
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Four events HE COULD DO? Don't you mean four events he was proficient at?

If you aren't good enough to compete at Olympic level in multiple events, then you don't try it.

Carl Lewis is a GREAT example. Did he Pole Vault? High Jump? Run the 1600? other distances long and short?

Nope. Not good enough. Phelps is. No one else in the pool can do so. Simple as that...
 
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BJBEOSmitty
But they don't all compete in doubles, so I suppose you're incorrect.



INCORRECT again.



And he has done so better than any swimmer, man or woman, is history. Recognize or Diminish? Your choice.



How do you propose a TEAM SPORT has legit competition for multiple medals? How many tickets would be sold for a Corner Kick Medal competition? Or a Volleyball Setting competition? Are you serious?


Diminishing any athlete who competes in an event with multiple medals available (gymnastics, swimming, track and field - specifically sprinters and distance runners) because in soccer only one men's team can win and one women's team can win and that's it - is beyond shortsided imo, and demonstrates a possible complete misunderstanding of what Olympic Competition is all about - REGARDLESS of the event or discipline.

Roger Federer did not choose tennis over, say, gymnastics because of Gold Medal scarcity or duplicity, so making this a factor is astonishing.

IF Federer wins say, THREE or perhaps four Olympic medals in a row.. say three singles titles and the only doubles event he entered - he would be considered on par with Swimmers who have a closet full of medals by any right minded sports fan.


That said... Olympic Medals are THE pinnacle of a swimmer's career. Olympic medals are NOT the highest achievement for swimmers, footballers, basketball players, and the list goes on.

Get real.
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Someones angry LOL....

Yes. Phelps will win medals in prety much any event he enters like i said before....

Tennis isn't a team sport.

I didnt diminish any athletes. I said Phelps was phenomenal..

Your clearly confused and overly-emotional over this...

We're having a discussion. but clearly theres no room for that in your mind. :rolleyes:
 
There is no equivalent in other individual sports for the breadth of styles for which there are medals in swimming. Let's face it, whether you do 100m breaststroke, backstroke, butterfly or freestyle, you still have to be really good at one to win anything in the Olympics at it - but there's nothing stopping you from being really good at all of them.

100m runners don't try to do the distance with different running styles - there isn't a 100m backwards, a 100m jumping with both legs at once and a 100m speedmince to go with the fastest 100m style of "running like a bastard". Sure you could probably do 200m as well to make two medals (and we're now on 8 if the swimmers do 200m as well), or 50m to make it three (12 for the swimmers). You could even do the team 4x100m for four (13) - though there's no 4x200m (14). Be fun if they introduced a 4x100m medley run - backwards, jumping, speedmince, bastard - both individual (5/15) and team (6/16) though...
 
Angry? Emotional?

Interesting you come to that conclusion with simple text. Must be how you interpreted things. Not my problem nor can I do anything about that.

Ever heard of TEAM TENNIS? High School, College, Pro.
 
Lauren Perdue will be swimming for gold in the 4x200 (I think, maybe 100) free relay today. Everyone in town is so excited!
 
So its been easily the best dat for team GB today with two golds and two bronze..we have three brits competing in the pool tonight..will we have more medals?!
 
MUSC4EVER
So its been easily the best dat for team GB today with two golds and two bronze..we have three brits competing in the pool tonight..will we have more medals?!
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Nah, you don't sit down in swimming. :lol:
 
mattythedog
Nah, you don't sit down in swimming. :lol:
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We did win a bronze in the gymnastics y'know!! and that does'nt invoolve sitting down!! :lol:
 
MUSC4EVER
Hey sorry for the double post but ive got to tell you guys this..but im watching the cycling time trail and theres a guy taking part called Jack Bauer! :lol:
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Noticed that - shame he was #25... surely they could have arranged it so that he was 24??
 
Touring Mars
Noticed that - shame he was #25... surely they could have arranged it so that he was 24??
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He nearly ended up in the barriers on one bend... But I agree he should've been #24, and there should've been an explosion as he crossed the line. :lol:
 
Weightlifting:

New world record in the men's 77kg weightlifting - 175kg from one of the Chinese competitors even though the rest were doing in the high 150s :lol: Also an elbow dislocation a few minutes ago.

EDIT: Now he's going for 177 :eek:

EDIT 2: Ridiculous judging in the arena just now. The judges "didn't know" that the 2nd Chinese athlete had pulled out, so only gave the other guy 1 minute instead of 2 to follow himself. Then they refused to back down on their decision. Even I could have spotted that for god's sake! Some of these judges need a kick up the arse!


Famine

100m runners don't try to do the distance with different running styles - there isn't a 100m backwards, a 100m jumping with both legs at once and a 100m speedmince to go with the fastest 100m style of "running like a bastard".
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:lol: :lol:
 
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New world record in the 200m breaststroke :)

So who said there won't be any swimming world records a week ago?

EDIT: Found it.

akmuq
Oh, and no new swimming records, I think the super-suits are banned.
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Brilliant silver for Jamieson, but it was so close for the gold...

He broke the existing World Record too... :eek:
 
Silver medal for Jamieson in the 200m backstroke!! :)
 
MUSC4EVER
Silver medal for Jamieson in the 200m backstroke!! :)
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Technically it was the inverted backstroke, as they were swimming on their fronts 💡
 
BJBEOSmitty
Angry? Emotional?

Interesting you come to that conclusion with simple text. Must be how you interpreted things. Not my problem nor can I do anything about that.

Ever heard of TEAM TENNIS? High School, College, Pro.
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Because we all type in caps when were calm don't we.

What kind tennis did you think I meant when I said Roger Federer?
 
BJBEOSmitty
That said... Olympic Medals are THE pinnacle of a swimmer's career. Olympic medals are NOT the highest achievement for swimmers, footballers, basketball players, and the list goes on.
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So its the pinnacle of swimmers careers. And then it isn't the highest achievement? You lost me.
 
Can we drop this now please. It's getting boring.

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Team GB v Uruguay just kicked off, live on BBC HD and online :)

... also, found this hilarious... not sure if it was intentional, from yesterday's Guardian Olympic blog...

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High Kingdom (left) and Zara Phillips ​

(from here, at 10.02...)
 
Ill mostly be watching the football on BBC3 tonight, no Ryan Giggs in the XI tonight..and im happy to report that no-one booed the national anthem as many people feared the crowd would..well i didnt hear any boos anyway..
 
So.....I've been offered a free ticket to see the women's quarter final football at the stadium near my house with a free meal and free bar. But I've got to be up early the next morning. :( GAH! It's so hard to say no!
 
Has anyone gotten the online streams to work? Everything is just black screens. I was lucky to find Tennis on the "Bravo" channel earlier.
 
And the Chinese, Indonesian and South Korean Badminton teams have been thrown out for throwing games. Seriously?
 
Moglet
So.....I've been offered a free ticket to see the women's quarter final football at the stadium near my house with a free meal and free bar. But I've got to be up early the next morning. :( GAH! It's so hard to say no!
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It's an obvious scam.

Moglet
women's quarter final football
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Blitz24
And the Chinese, Indonesian and South Korean Badminton teams have been thrown out for throwing games. Seriously?
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They have been thrown out for delibrately (spell?) trying to lose they're matches, ive seen the footage a few times and they're making basic mistakes over and over again, the match ref had to disqualify both in the end, they were doing so they could manipulate the draw..
 
MUSC4EVER
They have been thrown out for delibrately (spell?) trying to lose they're matches, ive seen the footage a few times and they're making basic mistakes over and over again, the match ref had to disqualify both in the end, they were doing so they could manipulate the draw..
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Nah I know that part. I'm just amazed that they only threw the team out. Fixing matches should get more of a penalty.
 
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